Scroll down to product details and there's the following section. Note that the first sentence lists the toolset and compendium as seperate features, so no it is not referring to unlocking content in the compendium.
Jump Into Play with D&D Beyond
Purchasing a digital copy of this book unlocks it for use in the D&D BEYOND compendium and toolset. D&D BEYOND is the official digital toolset for DUNGEONS & DRAGONS. Create characters in minutes, play directly on your character sheets with digital dice, and prep less and play more with Dungeon Master tools like the Encounter Builder and Combat Tracker. Unlock Maps, D&D BEYOND's virtual tabletop, with a Master Tier subscription. Host game sessions on dozens of official maps, or make your own and use our player and monster tokens to take your gaming to the next level!
It unlocks the book for use in both the compendium and toolset, and that is still true. So where in your quote does it say the 2014 spells are guaranteed to be in the toolset?
Also funny he mentions how those likes make up such a small percentage of the community but we are supposed to believe the handful to which he belongs on these forums someone represent the majority opinion regarding the OGL debacle and now this ...
I never said I was a majority on the OGL. Are you confusing me for someone else?
If you expect to jump right into a new ruleset without the DM doing any work you have a terminal case of armchair DM.
None of us said "without the DM doing any work" either.
But I can guarantee you that rebalancing a single encounter is less work than homebrew-copying 200 spells just in case your players might prefer the old versions of some of them.
The net result of the OGL debacle was that mass hysteria ruined what would have been a great deal for both parties
I only needed to read that much to know you are arguing in bad faith. So many smaller publishers and indies strongly opposed the changes that were going to be made because it would have hurt them and their livelihoods and more importantly went against the spirit of a hobby that is mostly DIY. You are just making up in your own head how those changes would have benefited them. You are so outnumbered when it comes to that issue you look silly to still be sustaining the same BS 18 months later. Even Wizards have admitted it was a mistake.
I never said the initial revision was great, but after the response to that they literally were willing to let 3PP's use D&D's trademarked logo on their products with the proviso that they could revoke the license if they didn't like the content- which had nothing to do with the 3PP's ability to produce content compatible with any edition of D&D in general, just their ability to use D&D's registered trademark. But no, people insisted on putting some badly written napkin contract on a pedestal as the only acceptable arrangement, and so an excellent compromise was burned just to spite WotC. Ergo, the net result- that is to say, the final result after all events were concluded- was the community lost a golden opportunity for compromise because of the same kind of internet belligerence and fearmongering we're seeing from this change.
People did not buy books on D&D Beyond just to have a prettier compendium to look up rules, when a simple Google search suffices. What they PAID FOR was the ability to make characters with the 2014 spells and magic items. That is being REMOVED. Now they have to do what they would have to do if they had NOT bought the book, which is individually homebrew their own items. WOTC not only "removed," but STOLE BACK what people paid for.
If you expect to jump right into a new ruleset without the DM doing any work you have a terminal case of armchair DM.
None of us said "without the DM doing any work" either.
But I can guarantee you that rebalancing a single encounter is less work than homebrew-copying 200 spells just in case your players might prefer the old versions of some of them.
How can you be so wrong in one sentence?
"Rebalancing a single encounter" my guy I have two books worth of encounters which I'd need to rebalance. Like I said: terminal armchair DM.
Also implying the DM only needs to rebalance encounters. The DM has to actually know the rules dude.
"Less work than homebrew-copying 200 spells" the option here which is the least work is to not use DDB anymore. I already don't use DDB; I am only interested in this discussion on behalf of my players who are using DDB as a reference tool & hosting site for their character sheets.
"might prefer" my guy, we have already made a decision to play with 2014 rules. Setting that aside, even if we wanted to play 2024, that's not WOTC's call to make for us.
Honestly at this point I'm just amazed that this discussion is still going. It's just fueled by offensively bad takes.
I want ALL spells to be preserved. The whole point of wanting them all in Legacy is so that my players got all the options.
Even if this is your goal, this is probably something I would stretch out over months if not years. Your players aren't using all 200+ spells in a single campaign, nor did all of them even change, much less change in a way that they won't like.
Once they remove the spells and items are compendium only they become magnitudes more difficult to homebrew. So waiting just makes more work.
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Provided you ignored this allow me to remind you of it: When in a thread about this issue some posts are clocking 120+ likes and it's only here in the General Discussion forums where the usual suspects who defend the company's every decision are pouring so much of their time into defending it anyone can plainly see how out of touch you are. This is the OGL debacle all over again with scores of people here and beyond unsatisfied but a handful of usual suspects acting as if it is nothing. You can do that until the problem is addressed if it pleases you. Those two News and Announcement threads are full of people saying they are done with Beyond. I guess you're saving your tears for the day Beyond is done.
This is really what's perplexing for me; why would people defend it (unless they're paid by WotC)? Y'all can play your game your way if you like to, I just don't see who benefits when you strip that functionality from DDB from everyone else.
Ah, so because you're happy with the removal of content and future "inconvenience", anyone else must just be displaying an "impulse reaction" rather than genuinely being unhappy.
What's it like being the centre of the universe.
Also funny he mentions how those likes make up such a small percentage of the community but we are supposed to believe the handful to which he belongs on these forums someone represent the majority opinion regarding the OGL debacle and now this ...
This gets my goat as well. Someone is in one of three positions: In a game, not in a game, planning a game.
If they're in a game, they're probably playing 2014 rules. They need to assess these rules and make a decision as a group whether they want to migrate to the new ruleset or not. If they take any option other than "migrate immediately to the new rules", they're shafted by DDB.
If they're not in a game, they're not a stakeholder in the decision. While I won't take a hard stance and say "you shouldn't even be posting if it doesn't affect you"... Well, should you be posting if it doesn't actually affect you?
If they're planning a game then they'll be pretty well served, unless their group decides they don't like the new rules in which case they're up the proverbial creek without a paddle, just like the rest of us.
& people saying "the spells are just upgraded, it's fine!"; encounter balance is already a nightmare with the CR system. If you expect to jump right into a new ruleset without the DM doing any work you have a terminal case of armchair DM.
You are forgetting the group that is going to love this exact situation, Adventure League players, many show up just for this aspect, just think of the fun they will have correcting others about forgetting the spells and items don't work like that now, and the arguments they will enjoy having as a result.
You are forgetting the group that is going to love this exact situation, Adventure League players, many show up just for this aspect, just think of the fun they will have correcting others about forgetting the spells and items don't work like that now, and the arguments they will enjoy having as a result.
dang, youre right, i forgot about the WELL AKSHULLY crowd. they'll love it
People did not buy books on D&D Beyond just to have a prettier compendium to look up rules, when a simple Google search suffices. What they PAID FOR was the ability to make characters with the 2014 spells and magic items. That is being REMOVED. Now they have to do what they would have to do if they had NOT bought the book, which is individually homebrew their own items. WOTC not only "removed," but STOLE BACK what people paid for.
Thing it, it's actually not just the spells and magic items that will be affected. As others have pointed out other aspects of the 2014 ruleset and gameplay are also going to be changed to the 2024 ruleset and gameplay. Those of us with Sorcerers and warlocks are going to see our metamagic and invocations changed to the 2024 material, and those things can't be homebrewed, as many have pointed out. Things like Hide and Sneak Attack are also going to show the 2024 text on the sheets. This supposed upgrade is going to have a greater affect than those touting DDB's planned changes are willing to admit. It's not a small change for either players or DMs, and in some instances it may very well be a game-breaker.
It's true that some of the spells needed tweaking. Problem is, both the DMs and players designed their campaigns and characters around what was in the 2014 material. It is unfair and a d**k move to force them to change those things when there is a much easier solution that has been suggested by multiple individuals, and that other sites have already implemented. Why can't DDB give them the same courtesy??
9 pages in and some people still can’t grasp that just because a thing is not a problem for them does not mean it is not a problem for others.
My group is switching to pen and paper and cancelling subscriptions, including the DM’s master tier. We are not early adopters and much of the content we want to continue using can’t be homebrewed, even if we had any inclination to do so as a bunch of tech unsavvy olds who are not really up for that task in the first place. It’s a drop in the bucket amounting to maybe $1000 at most but it’s $1000 they’ll never see from us again. I’m just thankful that the conclusion of the campaign we were playing happened to coincide with this changeover so we’re not balls deep into the new campaign and having to switch at higher levels like many others.
Right, so you'd have to look up what the spells do during play anyway. Unless you're saying you've memorized all 200+ of the 2014 iterations and now need to unlearn that - which, again, is on you. How would this be different than if they'd errataed all those spells? We've known a revision was coming for quite some time, it wasn't exactly a secret.
I already don't use DDB; I am only interested in this discussion on behalf of my players who are using DDB as a reference tool & hosting site for their character sheets.
I would not pay a cent more for my subscription. I WILL 100% cancel the day they raise the price.
I am already becoming less enticed to use D&D Beyond because it lacks the ability and freedom of pen & paper RPGs where you can do and change anything you see fit. My main example is the lack of ability to include a home brew class. D&D Beyond only works if you play the game EXACTLY the way the books intend on it. That takes something away from D&D I love, freedom.
Also, I don’t like having to use digital devices while I play. It has been a nice supplement to easy the process of finding information, but I am getting fatigued in relying on it.
Right, so you'd have to look up what the spells do during play anyway. Unless you're saying you've memorized all 200+ of the 2014 iterations and now need to unlearn that - which, again, is on you. How would this be different than if they'd errataed all those spells? We've known a revision was coming for quite some time, it wasn't exactly a secret.
You're close to the mark here. I have not memorized all of the spells, nor have my players. Some of them use a digital tool called D&D Beyond which helps them to track their character sheets.
Because the developers of D&D Beyond are removing the 2014 spells from the tool, I have told my players that they're not to use it going forward because it will no longer provide accurate information; the function of those spells in DDB will be misleading.
Do you understand the problem now?
Also no it's not errata, don't be silly. Please look up what that word means.
My real experience with the tool is in the text you quoted. Come on dude. I can appreciate a good internet argument, but the emphasis there is on good.
I'll be honest; I don't think it's worth responding to you any further because I don't think you even understand the problem.
Just curious, after reading the latest changelog drop, how many would be interested in paying extra for access to what we have now?
I would expect it to:
1) Require a master tier subscription
2) Not be updated with new books
3) No further development on the tools just a hop of the train and stay live
I also understand the likelihood of this ever being an option is functionally 0.
Also a the thread on this topic in the News & Announcements forum can be found HEREif you want to leave your comments on the upcoming changes to the tools.
This thread is for discussion about paying to keep what we have with no further updates to it and expectations on how that might look/work.
No. I would not pay them a single red cent more for this.
They are a multi-million dollar company with a constant revenue stream through subscriptions and macro/micro transactions. They have the resources to have made the 2014/2024 split as a baseline feature as they launch their new pseudo-edition.
I would not, nor will I ever, reward them intentionally breaking something and then charging me more money to fix it.
I will not eat around the d*** in the salad anymore.
Just curious, after reading the latest changelog drop, how many would be interested in paying extra for access to what we have now?
I would expect it to:
1) Require a master tier subscription
2) Not be updated with new books
3) No further development on the tools just a hop of the train and stay live
I also understand the likelihood of this ever being an option is functionally 0.
Also a the thread on this topic in the News & Announcements forum can be found HEREif you want to leave your comments on the upcoming changes to the tools.
This thread is for discussion about paying to keep what we have with no further updates to it and expectations on how that might look/work.
No. I would not pay them a single red cent more for this.
They are a multi-million dollar company with a constant revenue stream through subscriptions and macro/micro transactions. They have the resources to have made the 2014/2024 split as a baseline feature as they launch their new pseudo-edition.
I would not, nor will I ever, reward them intentionally breaking something and then charging me more money to fix it.
I will not eat around the d*** in the salad anymore.
Billion dollar company, pissing off the masses just to further drive off those who are the under-monetized segment of a community that would have been eventually been part of the influx of capital, just to satisfy those the company knows will hand over a king's ransom for evermore useless utility.
And from what one can see from the polling on this thread, and see which posters are the ones openly rallying against the masses, that this company care more about, speaks volumes.
People are right to be pissed, because of no warning of these changes that could have been made months ago, this wouldn’t have been a major issue.
But like the OGL scandal, Wizbro thinking of money first, good-will last, and going behind the general community's back to try and ensure their investors and their pockets are full of cash.
Personally I hope this place crashes and burns, the corporate heads find themselves on a chopping block, and the community are the ones to drop the axe that severs their empty brainless skulls and begins to use them for soccer matches.
Well, regarding how a la carte purchases will access the content, the easy answer is the Spells and Magic item section of the site. Frankly, it's a little shocking that you are apparently unaware of the existence of these features and yet consider yourself an authority on what the state of the game on this site will be after the update.
Provided you ignored this allow me to remind you of it: When in a thread about this issue some posts are clocking 120+ likes and it's only here in the General Discussion forums where the usual suspects who defend the company's every decision are pouring so much of their time into defending it anyone can plainly see how out of touch you are. This is the OGL debacle all over again with scores of people here and beyond unsatisfied but a handful of usual suspects acting as if it is nothing. You can do that until the problem is addressed if it pleases you. Those two News and Announcement threads are full of people saying they are done with Beyond. I guess you're saving your tears for the day Beyond is done.
The net result of the OGL debacle was that mass hysteria ruined what would have been a great deal for both parties, and no shortage of people vocally announcing how they were jumping ship. Despite that, D&DB is still quite active over a year later. I've acknowledged that there is a degree of inconvenience in the update, but by my lights it is objectively not an appreciable degree of inconvenience and so I'm content to work with it rather than grab my toys in a huff and go home. You've got a couple hundred people coming in and making noise as an impulse reaction to what, based on my experience with the OGL, is hearing some distorted account of the change. If you check the bottom of the initial forums page, you'll see there's over 18 million accounts. Your 120 likes are an infinitesimal fraction of a percentage point of the population, not anything close to a representative sample.
of the 18 million number that is posted, what is the actual number of users that have not flat-out walked away from this place, and DDB just hasn't gotten off it's but to update it so as keep the numbers artificially inflated.
I've users with just Id numbers for a name, and that is clear indication of someone is no longer a user.
So, do believe the statement you made is factually incorrect.
I will be renewing my master tier sub pending the roll out of the new books, I may even buy them now that we have a choice on what to use! Thanks wizbro!
ETA: I don't doubt there will be some issues with the roll out, but knowing the new goal I will roll with any glitches that may arise! thanks wizbro for listening, I am back to being a happy customer!
No need to worry about how to keep the 2014 rules set and spells/ items per the latest update!
Amazing how this was there all along, and only after they got backlash did they trot this out.
This reveals that there was no reason outside of anti-consumer greed to try and force us partially into the new edition so the leap of just buying the books wouldn't be that far.
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It unlocks the book for use in both the compendium and toolset, and that is still true. So where in your quote does it say the 2014 spells are guaranteed to be in the toolset?
I never said I was a majority on the OGL. Are you confusing me for someone else?
None of us said "without the DM doing any work" either.
But I can guarantee you that rebalancing a single encounter is less work than homebrew-copying 200 spells just in case your players might prefer the old versions of some of them.
I never said the initial revision was great, but after the response to that they literally were willing to let 3PP's use D&D's trademarked logo on their products with the proviso that they could revoke the license if they didn't like the content- which had nothing to do with the 3PP's ability to produce content compatible with any edition of D&D in general, just their ability to use D&D's registered trademark. But no, people insisted on putting some badly written napkin contract on a pedestal as the only acceptable arrangement, and so an excellent compromise was burned just to spite WotC. Ergo, the net result- that is to say, the final result after all events were concluded- was the community lost a golden opportunity for compromise because of the same kind of internet belligerence and fearmongering we're seeing from this change.
To quote The Rules Lawyer:
People did not buy books on D&D Beyond just to have a prettier compendium to look up rules, when a simple Google search suffices. What they PAID FOR was the ability to make characters with the 2014 spells and magic items. That is being REMOVED. Now they have to do what they would have to do if they had NOT bought the book, which is individually homebrew their own items. WOTC not only "removed," but STOLE BACK what people paid for.
How can you be so wrong in one sentence?
"Rebalancing a single encounter" my guy I have two books worth of encounters which I'd need to rebalance. Like I said: terminal armchair DM.
Also implying the DM only needs to rebalance encounters. The DM has to actually know the rules dude.
"Less work than homebrew-copying 200 spells" the option here which is the least work is to not use DDB anymore. I already don't use DDB; I am only interested in this discussion on behalf of my players who are using DDB as a reference tool & hosting site for their character sheets.
"might prefer" my guy, we have already made a decision to play with 2014 rules. Setting that aside, even if we wanted to play 2024, that's not WOTC's call to make for us.
Honestly at this point I'm just amazed that this discussion is still going. It's just fueled by offensively bad takes.
Once they remove the spells and items are compendium only they become magnitudes more difficult to homebrew. So waiting just makes more work.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
You are forgetting the group that is going to love this exact situation, Adventure League players, many show up just for this aspect, just think of the fun they will have correcting others about forgetting the spells and items don't work like that now, and the arguments they will enjoy having as a result.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
dang, youre right, i forgot about the WELL AKSHULLY crowd. they'll love it
Thing it, it's actually not just the spells and magic items that will be affected. As others have pointed out other aspects of the 2014 ruleset and gameplay are also going to be changed to the 2024 ruleset and gameplay. Those of us with Sorcerers and warlocks are going to see our metamagic and invocations changed to the 2024 material, and those things can't be homebrewed, as many have pointed out. Things like Hide and Sneak Attack are also going to show the 2024 text on the sheets. This supposed upgrade is going to have a greater affect than those touting DDB's planned changes are willing to admit. It's not a small change for either players or DMs, and in some instances it may very well be a game-breaker.
It's true that some of the spells needed tweaking. Problem is, both the DMs and players designed their campaigns and characters around what was in the 2014 material. It is unfair and a d**k move to force them to change those things when there is a much easier solution that has been suggested by multiple individuals, and that other sites have already implemented. Why can't DDB give them the same courtesy??
9 pages in and some people still can’t grasp that just because a thing is not a problem for them does not mean it is not a problem for others.
My group is switching to pen and paper and cancelling subscriptions, including the DM’s master tier. We are not early adopters and much of the content we want to continue using can’t be homebrewed, even if we had any inclination to do so as a bunch of tech unsavvy olds who are not really up for that task in the first place. It’s a drop in the bucket amounting to maybe $1000 at most but it’s $1000 they’ll never see from us again. I’m just thankful that the conclusion of the campaign we were playing happened to coincide with this changeover so we’re not balls deep into the new campaign and having to switch at higher levels like many others.
Rebalancing two books worth of encounters before the new spells are even out is entirely on you, and you have no idea what my DMing experience is.
Right, so you'd have to look up what the spells do during play anyway. Unless you're saying you've memorized all 200+ of the 2014 iterations and now need to unlearn that - which, again, is on you. How would this be different than if they'd errataed all those spells? We've known a revision was coming for quite some time, it wasn't exactly a secret.
So... armchair tool use?
The premise in the OP is ridiculous. Why would I pay MORE to use what I am already using and paid ,and previous subscribed, for?
To put polite. NO.
No Gaming is Better than Bad Gaming.
HELL NO.
I would not pay a cent more for my subscription. I WILL 100% cancel the day they raise the price.
I am already becoming less enticed to use D&D Beyond because it lacks the ability and freedom of pen & paper RPGs where you can do and change anything you see fit. My main example is the lack of ability to include a home brew class. D&D Beyond only works if you play the game EXACTLY the way the books intend on it. That takes something away from D&D I love, freedom.
Also, I don’t like having to use digital devices while I play. It has been a nice supplement to easy the process of finding information, but I am getting fatigued in relying on it.
"What you saw belongs to you. A story doesn't live until it is imagined in someone's mind."
― Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
Not what I said lol.
I dunno dude, I'm honestly getting to the point where I think you haven't even played the game.
You're close to the mark here. I have not memorized all of the spells, nor have my players. Some of them use a digital tool called D&D Beyond which helps them to track their character sheets.
Because the developers of D&D Beyond are removing the 2014 spells from the tool, I have told my players that they're not to use it going forward because it will no longer provide accurate information; the function of those spells in DDB will be misleading.
Do you understand the problem now?
Also no it's not errata, don't be silly. Please look up what that word means.
My real experience with the tool is in the text you quoted. Come on dude. I can appreciate a good internet argument, but the emphasis there is on good.
I'll be honest; I don't think it's worth responding to you any further because I don't think you even understand the problem.
No. I would not pay them a single red cent more for this.
They are a multi-million dollar company with a constant revenue stream through subscriptions and macro/micro transactions. They have the resources to have made the 2014/2024 split as a baseline feature as they launch their new pseudo-edition.
I would not, nor will I ever, reward them intentionally breaking something and then charging me more money to fix it.
I will not eat around the d*** in the salad anymore.
Billion dollar company, pissing off the masses just to further drive off those who are the under-monetized segment of a community that would have been eventually been part of the influx of capital, just to satisfy those the company knows will hand over a king's ransom for evermore useless utility.
And from what one can see from the polling on this thread, and see which posters are the ones openly rallying against the masses, that this company care more about, speaks volumes.
People are right to be pissed, because of no warning of these changes that could have been made months ago, this wouldn’t have been a major issue.
But like the OGL scandal, Wizbro thinking of money first, good-will last, and going behind the general community's back to try and ensure their investors and their pockets are full of cash.
Personally I hope this place crashes and burns, the corporate heads find themselves on a chopping block, and the community are the ones to drop the axe that severs their empty brainless skulls and begins to use them for soccer matches.
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of the 18 million number that is posted, what is the actual number of users that have not flat-out walked away from this place, and DDB just hasn't gotten off it's but to update it so as keep the numbers artificially inflated.
I've users with just Id numbers for a name, and that is clear indication of someone is no longer a user.
So, do believe the statement you made is factually incorrect.
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No need to worry about how to keep the 2014 rules set and spells/ items per the latest update!
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I will be renewing my master tier sub pending the roll out of the new books, I may even buy them now that we have a choice on what to use! Thanks wizbro!
ETA: I don't doubt there will be some issues with the roll out, but knowing the new goal I will roll with any glitches that may arise! thanks wizbro for listening, I am back to being a happy customer!
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Amazing how this was there all along, and only after they got backlash did they trot this out.
This reveals that there was no reason outside of anti-consumer greed to try and force us partially into the new edition so the leap of just buying the books wouldn't be that far.