I loved Dark Sun. It was one of the most interesting settings I have ever had the privilege to enjoy. The whole Preservers/Defilers thing, Magic vs. Psionics, Muls (half-dwarves) and Thri-Kreene.... It was so dangerous that NPCs were all at least level 2, all PCs started at level 3 because any lower than that and you couldn’t survive. It was the “Legendary, No Saves” of D&D!!
My thoughts on this subject are along the lines of others who say that backward-compatibility will be a necessary component. What I want to see is cross-compatibility expanding into new genres. I want to see 5e versions of Top Secret, Gamma World, Boot Hill, Star Frontiers, and similar TSR properties, as well as new 5e- compatible games in horror, steampunk, cyberpunk, and whatever else pops up next as a cool new storytelling and gaming setting.
Yes, it would be pretty awesome to see the 5e rules applied to different genres. That was one of the things I enjoyed about Palladium was that the same basic rules were also used in other genres, so you didn't have to take time to learn an entirely new game system to play a different genre.
Boot hill was ok for a few senarios, but it got stale fast. (Related subject-fighter gunslinger subclass: wasn't particularly interested when I heard about it, but after playing as one, I see the appeal- it's a lot better than I expected.)
My thoughts on this subject are along the lines of others who say that backward-compatibility will be a necessary component. What I want to see is cross-compatibility expanding into new genres. I want to see 5e versions of Top Secret, Gamma World, Boot Hill, Star Frontiers, and similar TSR properties, as well as new 5e- compatible games in horror, steampunk, cyberpunk, and whatever else pops up next as a cool new storytelling and gaming setting.
I agree with you and them. Why update or move to another edition if its doing so well. Why risk another 4th edition failure (I did like 4th however). 5th seems to be where its at right now and will most likely be the version to play for many years to come.
I hope 6e doesn't come out anytime soon. Purchasing new core books will be truly agitating
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I hope 6e doesn't come out anytime soon. Purchasing new core books will be truly agitating
As someone who had to do that to switch to AD&D 2e, then the D&D 3e, then to 3.5, (I skipped 4e) and then to 5e I can say it is most definitely agitating when new editions take less than a decade to come out.
I hope 6e doesn't come out anytime soon. Purchasing new core books will be truly agitating
As someone who had to do that to switch to AD&D 2e, then the D&D 3e, then to 3.5, (I skipped 4e) and then to 5e I can say it is most definitely agitating when new editions take less than a decade to come out.
For me personally I think the problem is that when they create a new edition of the game they immediately make the bad decision of abandoning the older systems. Its really a strange move when you consider how fragmented and hostile the community becomes towards them and towards each other as a result. Are they really that concerned that people will not buy 5th edition if 4th edition remains available and in print and has new books coming out? Some people like 4th edition, make books for those people.. hell make books for 1st, 2nd and 3rd edition as well. I don't really see the problem, people are going to play the edition they like, making it out of print just means someone else will make the money on the content for their edition of choice. Hell this month I spent more money on 1st edition books then I did back in the 80's when 1st edition was actually in print. I have no idea who made the money and I don't care but it seems silly that it wasn't Wizards of the Coast.
TSR tried supporting D&D alongside AD&D for years and it lead them to bankruptcy which allowed the devil (WotC) to purchase the IP. WotC is not going to make that same mistake. However, they already announced that whatever comes next will be backwards compatible with 5e.
I hope 6e doesn't come out anytime soon. Purchasing new core books will be truly agitating
As someone who had to do that to switch to AD&D 2e, then the D&D 3e, then to 3.5, (I skipped 4e) and then to 5e I can say it is most definitely agitating when new editions take less than a decade to come out.
For me personally I think the problem is that when they create a new edition of the game they immediately make the bad decision of abandoning the older systems. Its really a strange move when you consider how fragmented and hostile the community becomes towards them and towards each other as a result. Are they really that concerned that people will not buy 5th edition if 4th edition remains available and in print and has new books coming out? Some people like 4th edition, make books for those people.. hell make books for 1st, 2nd and 3rd edition as well. I don't really see the problem, people are going to play the edition they like, making it out of print just means someone else will make the money on the content for their edition of choice. Hell this month I spent more money on 1st edition books then I did back in the 80's when 1st edition was actually in print. I have no idea who made the money and I don't care but it seems silly that it wasn't Wizards of the Coast.
TSR tried supporting D&D alongside AD&D for years and it lead them to bankruptcy which allowed the devil (WotC) to purchase the IP. WotC is not going to make that same mistake. However, they already announced that whatever comes next will be backwards compatible with 5e.
TSR's attempt to keep supporting D&D for a few years after AD&D's release was only one of many financial mistakes the company made, and it wasn't even the costliest of them. Releasing too many other products that they then didn't support, and more than anything having a president who repeatedly forced them to buy the licenses for IPs her family owned at inflated prices really drained the company's coffers.
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
I hope 6e doesn't come out anytime soon. Purchasing new core books will be truly agitating
As someone who had to do that to switch to AD&D 2e, then the D&D 3e, then to 3.5, (I skipped 4e) and then to 5e I can say it is most definitely agitating when new editions take less than a decade to come out.
For me personally I think the problem is that when they create a new edition of the game they immediately make the bad decision of abandoning the older systems. Its really a strange move when you consider how fragmented and hostile the community becomes towards them and towards each other as a result. Are they really that concerned that people will not buy 5th edition if 4th edition remains available and in print and has new books coming out? Some people like 4th edition, make books for those people.. hell make books for 1st, 2nd and 3rd edition as well. I don't really see the problem, people are going to play the edition they like, making it out of print just means someone else will make the money on the content for their edition of choice. Hell this month I spent more money on 1st edition books then I did back in the 80's when 1st edition was actually in print. I have no idea who made the money and I don't care but it seems silly that it wasn't Wizards of the Coast.
TSR tried supporting D&D alongside AD&D for years and it lead them to bankruptcy which allowed the devil (WotC) to purchase the IP. WotC is not going to make that same mistake. However, they already announced that whatever comes next will be backwards compatible with 5e.
TSR's attempt to keep supporting D&D for a few years after AD&D's release was only one of many financial mistakes the company made, and it wasn't even the costliest of them. Releasing too many other products that they then didn't support, and more than anything having a president who repeatedly forced them to buy the licenses for IPs her family owned at inflated prices really drained the company's coffers.
Yes, there were other factors. It was more than a “few years“ however, AD&D came out in 1977, D&D was supported through 1994/95. That’s almost 20 years.
Basic lasted that long? The last I'd heard of it was the 80s.
Anyway it was really TSR's long history of corporate mismanagement combined with sudden loss of market share as Magic and other CCGs suddenly gained popularity that drove the company under.
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Basic lasted that long? The last I'd heard of it was the 80s.
Anyway it was really TSR's long history of corporate mismanagement combined with sudden loss of market share as Magic and other CCGs suddenly gained popularity that drove the company under.
In any event, it doesn't look like Wizards is going ot make the mistake of having a large amount of self-competing products for D&D any time soon.
Yes. Editions are like TV shows. You keep them going until they don't make a good amount of money anymore. Then, you move on to a different show/edition.
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I loved Dark Sun. It was one of the most interesting settings I have ever had the privilege to enjoy. The whole Preservers/Defilers thing, Magic vs. Psionics, Muls (half-dwarves) and Thri-Kreene.... It was so dangerous that NPCs were all at least level 2, all PCs started at level 3 because any lower than that and you couldn’t survive. It was the “Legendary, No Saves” of D&D!!
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I've never had the opportunity to play Dark Sun. I hope that I can some time with official 5e rules on that setting.
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So do I.
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Yes, it would be pretty awesome to see the 5e rules applied to different genres. That was one of the things I enjoyed about Palladium was that the same basic rules were also used in other genres, so you didn't have to take time to learn an entirely new game system to play a different genre.
Boot hill was ok for a few senarios, but it got stale fast. (Related subject-fighter gunslinger subclass: wasn't particularly interested when I heard about it, but after playing as one, I see the appeal- it's a lot better than I expected.)
I'd take a 5.5 PHB & DMG, but no 6e plz.
WOWOWOW this post took me back!!!!!!!!
Car Wars, or what are we even doing here.... :D
I don't feel like they would honestly do it soon, as 5E is in such a good state rn.
I think these guys have it just about right.
I agree with you and them. Why update or move to another edition if its doing so well. Why risk another 4th edition failure (I did like 4th however). 5th seems to be where its at right now and will most likely be the version to play for many years to come.
I hope 6e doesn't come out anytime soon. Purchasing new core books will be truly agitating
As someone who had to do that to switch to AD&D 2e, then the D&D 3e, then to 3.5, (I skipped 4e) and then to 5e I can say it is most definitely agitating when new editions take less than a decade to come out.
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TSR tried supporting D&D alongside AD&D for years and it lead them to bankruptcy which allowed the devil (WotC) to purchase the IP. WotC is not going to make that same mistake. However, they already announced that whatever comes next will be backwards compatible with 5e.
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TSR's attempt to keep supporting D&D for a few years after AD&D's release was only one of many financial mistakes the company made, and it wasn't even the costliest of them. Releasing too many other products that they then didn't support, and more than anything having a president who repeatedly forced them to buy the licenses for IPs her family owned at inflated prices really drained the company's coffers.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Yes, there were other factors. It was more than a “few years“ however, AD&D came out in 1977, D&D was supported through 1994/95. That’s almost 20 years.
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Basic lasted that long? The last I'd heard of it was the 80s.
Anyway it was really TSR's long history of corporate mismanagement combined with sudden loss of market share as Magic and other CCGs suddenly gained popularity that drove the company under.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Yup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editions_of_Dungeons_%26_Dragons#Dungeons_&_Dragons_Basic_Set_and_revisions
True. They tried to compete with Spellfire, but it couldn’t stand against the M:tG juggernaut.
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In any event, it doesn't look like Wizards is going ot make the mistake of having a large amount of self-competing products for D&D any time soon.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Yes. Editions are like TV shows. You keep them going until they don't make a good amount of money anymore. Then, you move on to a different show/edition.
Please check out my homebrew, I would appreciate feedback:
Spells, Monsters, Subclasses, Races, Arcknight Class, Occultist Class, World, Enigmatic Esoterica forms