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@JRedmond
I am aware. I am trying to explain my sticker shock and the sticker shock others are probably feeling. I'm not asking for anything free, I'm not even asking for discounts. I understand that the price is the price and that it must be paid if you want access to the content. I know I can sit down at a table or in a chatroom with my friends and play tonight if everyone can make the schedule work.
But I'm seeing people here being actively hostile and degrading to each other, falling just short of insults. I suppose I was hoping to smooth the tension a little, remind everyone that one person's situation is not necessarily everyone. That attacking each other and being rude is falling short of the best we can be by long miles and not small steps.
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Everyone crying over the cost needs to chill. The cost of the books is pretty decent, and the fact that the core ones will be on sale at launch points to the good chance that other books will go on sale for special events at times. Not to mention it takes a LOT of work to convert these books to a nice looking searchable digital format, and these people need paid for their work. I saw one post about all the core books plus an adventure is around 120 bucks. Well, take that 120, divide it by 4 (assuming you have a group willing to split the cost) and thats 30 bucks each for each person for HOURS worth of entertainment, much longer than a movie or even a standard 50 hour console or PC RPG. Going by that math for a 4 person playgroup, and the cost turns into 75 cents an hour. Less than a dollar per person per hour. Go to a theater or find a modern game that will give you that much value. You prolly won't find it.
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I'm curious about the Unearthed Arcana stuff as well, I currently run a Rogue/UA Ranger and would absolutely LOVE to get fully onboard with this new tool... but if my character isn't going to be buildable, then I may need to wait until Xanathar or whatever source its in becomes published.
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Honestly, the pricing here makes it a flat out no from me and everyone I play with. None of us are willing to shell out again for book content we already own. A subscription I can get behind, but splat purchases and a sub? Not a chance.
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I'm a bit disappointed in the subscription/purchase model here. I'm not in the camp of "this is project is dead to me" but its still disappointing. I was hoping for a higher tier subscription in the 10 dollar a month range where I didn't have to repurchase my books. I know, everyone's argument about buying the books doesn't entitle you to the digital copies for free. I get that, but its an expensive outlay to get started. And well, I have to second other people's what if scenarios about DnDB closing down. WotC hasn't really had a good track record of supporting tools well. I want to be optimistic but I can't until they prove otherwise. Even if DnDB doesn't close there is no guarantee content isn't going to be changed or disappear because of a decision some corporation makes. Its like my steam library, sure it is there now but it might not always be, unlike the physical books. Beyond that I'm not a huge fan of these parallel digital purchases. Fine, I the book, ok. Then I buy it on fantasy grounds so i can use it for map software. Then I buy it on DnDB so I can use it for my campaign building. I really just want it in one place. I'll likely cut out fantasy grounds because it has less features I want, and I generally don't like the people who make it. But all this repurchasing of stuff is annoying.
How do you get a one-armed goblin out of a tree?
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@JRedmond
I understand that listening to people who seem entitled can be difficult. I know, I used to work retail. Every day people would come through my line and the only interest they had was in how much they could get for as little as possible. I honestly hated them for a while. Like full on hate, spewing vitriol and venom about them to whoever would listen in my off time. Until I realized that they are just trying to make the system work. Yes, they were trying to get what others weren't getting. wasn't wasnt a personal attack against me. It was them, doing their very level best to get ahead. Sometimes a small win is the only thing that keeps people going.
The people here saying that the pricing is too much, asking for discounts, asking to change things this way or that. They are not attacking anyone, but they are being attacked. Those concerned with the price are turning things this way and that, they are not trying to be cheap, they are not trying to be free, they are trying to find some way to make this work for them, find some way that they can fit this product into their lives.
The fact that they want to try and find some way to get in on this is not an insult, it's not a denigration of the hard work those who made D&DB did. It's a compliment to it that they look at the price and go "I can't afford that" and instead of walking away and shrugging they are trying to find some way to still get to use this. It's a testament to the quality of the work that was put in.
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How will the content sharing work? Specifically in relation to "slot" limitations and subscriptions?
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I feel like having a DM subscription should allow you to "borrow" the books while it is active. Otherwise all the DM subscription does is you paying so you can lend your sources to others.
I don't think I will be participating as the sticker shock is too much for me to handle. That's far too pricey for me and unless it comes as an all in one, one time discount purchase for a big Chunk of it all I won't be able to keep paying a flat 25-30 and a monthly tab. I would have hoped for a discount for people who have already paid hundreds for books already.
Something I didn't see mentioned in either the original announcement or subsequent conversation. The master Tier, at 6$/month, allows you to share your books with up to 12 players. However, I just saw this while clicking around in the campaign area:
"Campaign content sharing slots allow players in a campaign to use all of the DM's unlocked content to create, manage, and progress their characters. Players with subscriptions do not consume slots. "
I read that as meaning that the "Up to 12 players" bit is just free players. So you can have unlimited subscription players in your campaign? Or does a campaign have a player limit?