So, I have this player in my game and I'm good friends with him irl. The problem is that he definitely cheated when making his character, with nothing below a 15 for his stats. On top of that, I know he is fudging his rolls on dnd beyond. I've already addressed that he needs to make a new more fair character but he has "no room" on dnd beyond because of his other games. This would be a valid reason if it wasn't for the fact that at least two of his "characters" are dmpcs who can easily just be stat blocks. I don't want to kick him out of the game but idk what to do, suggestions needed.
How do you know he cheated when making his character, just because he is over 15 on all. That is really not that unheard of to do when rolling stats. I have a player who rolled 5 18's and a 9, I watched them do it, with my dice, so I know they did not cheat. how is he fudging his rolls on DnD beyond? the simple solution is have your PCs roll their stats at session 0 in the open, and have them roll in the open in game. if they are rolling digitally on DnD beyond if you have a campaign set up you can see all of their rolls.
How do you know he cheated when making his character, just because he is over 15 on all.
Yes, that is technically possible and it does happen. However, according to math done two posts above your comment, the odds for this are about 1 or 2 in 10,000. This alone clearly indicates that the player might be cheating. (As a side note, always make your players roll for stats publicly, when possible, if they choose that method for character creation.)
Honestly, we the forum users don't know whether this person is cheating. However, the fact that this player has had something so unlikely happen combined with the fact that they refuse to redo their character and invent nonsensical excuses in order to not do that suggests that they might be tampering with the rules. The Dungeon Master thinks that this player is fudging roles, so it makes it all the more likely that this already suspicious player is cheating.
If your player got rolls that were that high, then A) Wow and B) I think you might want to make sure those dice aren't weighted or something.
As a side note, I don't want to appear like I'm proposing that the player be kicked out before being talked to or anything like that, so I'm going to quote my previous post in order to repeat the advice I gave earlier in this thread:
If you know for sure that he is doing this, then you need to politely tell him to delete his character (he can export his build to a PDF before removing it from his used slots) and use the new available space to make a new build.
It's hard to judge everything, since we only have your perspective on this. However, if you are sure he's cheating, then you need to politely remind him that D&D isn't about the DM versus the Players: It's about having a fun shared experience together. You also might need to make it so he can't easily fudge rolls. For instance, have him roll physically or use a platform that shows a player's rolls to everyone (like certain VTTs).
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Yes, that is technically possible and it does happen. However, according to math done two posts above your comment, the odds for this are about 1 or 2 in 10,000. This alone clearly indicates that the player might be cheating. (As a side note, always make your players roll for stats publicly, when possible, if they choose that method for character creation.)
If a player uses the digital dice in the character builder to roll their stats and then assign them to the various abilities, the DM can look at that character in the builder and confirm if the rolls are legit or not. Just a little FYI.
If a player uses the digital dice in the character builder to roll their stats and then assign them to the various abilities, the DM can look at that character in the builder and confirm if the rolls are legit or not. Just a little FYI.
Interesting, how do you do that?
I would like to point out, though, that players could still reroll their stats infinite times and I'm not sure the thing would catch them.
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If a player uses the digital dice in the character builder to roll their stats and then assign them to the various abilities, the DM can look at that character in the builder and confirm if the rolls are legit or not. Just a little FYI.
Interesting, how do you do that?
I would like to point out, though, that players could still reroll their stats infinite times and I'm not sure the thing would catch them.
Like this:
While yes, a player could just keep rolling batches until they get a “good one,” it gets tedious.
Who else is in your game? If you're playing online, is this guy the only irl friend? Because the other guys are just going to walk out on it if you let him have all 15-18. If you're all irl friends, sort it out amongst yourselves, but the other guys would have every right to think you were playing favorites. Your guy has a vested interest in his own game happening.
The only alternative I can think of is to give the others a chance to "reroll," using similar methods, but that'll start seeping into the game everywhere.
There are, btw, online stat rollers. If, hypothetically, one were to spam such an app while watching a movie, one could generate a predictable number of unearthly characters "honestly."
My advice comes from experience. A good/long time friend has always cheated in similar ways in most any game I've played with him over decades now. He does it with me, he does it with his brother, he does it with his other friends, etc.... Ultimately, I did talk with him, and he explained that playing characters that weren't optimal and having characters die simply was not fun for him. He prefers a silly game. In my youth, I wanted to run a serious game and I wanted him to be in it, so I tried to force the issue by instituting the point buy system. He literally opted out and refused to play. Since then, I have played many games with him, but none that I really want to be serious. So rather than trying to change your friend, I suggest that you first try to understand them, and then find a solution that works for both of you, even if it means that you don't always play every game together.
Good for you for finding a way to have fun with your friend in a way that works for him, and everyone else. Shame on him for his immaturity ruining the fun for everyone else for what sounds like a long time, using cheating as a way to enforce his way of having fun over everyone else's, instead of just coming out and telling folks what he enjoyed and what he didn't, and tailoring his own participation accordingly...
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How do you know he cheated when making his character, just because he is over 15 on all. That is really not that unheard of to do when rolling stats. I have a player who rolled 5 18's and a 9, I watched them do it, with my dice, so I know they did not cheat. how is he fudging his rolls on DnD beyond? the simple solution is have your PCs roll their stats at session 0 in the open, and have them roll in the open in game. if they are rolling digitally on DnD beyond if you have a campaign set up you can see all of their rolls.
Yes, that is technically possible and it does happen. However, according to math done two posts above your comment, the odds for this are about 1 or 2 in 10,000. This alone clearly indicates that the player might be cheating. (As a side note, always make your players roll for stats publicly, when possible, if they choose that method for character creation.)
Honestly, we the forum users don't know whether this person is cheating. However, the fact that this player has had something so unlikely happen combined with the fact that they refuse to redo their character and invent nonsensical excuses in order to not do that suggests that they might be tampering with the rules. The Dungeon Master thinks that this player is fudging roles, so it makes it all the more likely that this already suspicious player is cheating.
If your player got rolls that were that high, then A) Wow and B) I think you might want to make sure those dice aren't weighted or something.
As a side note, I don't want to appear like I'm proposing that the player be kicked out before being talked to or anything like that, so I'm going to quote my previous post in order to repeat the advice I gave earlier in this thread:
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HERE.If a player uses the digital dice in the character builder to roll their stats and then assign them to the various abilities, the DM can look at that character in the builder and confirm if the rolls are legit or not. Just a little FYI.
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Interesting, how do you do that?
I would like to point out, though, that players could still reroll their stats infinite times and I'm not sure the thing would catch them.
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HERE.Like this:
While yes, a player could just keep rolling batches until they get a “good one,” it gets tedious.
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Who else is in your game? If you're playing online, is this guy the only irl friend? Because the other guys are just going to walk out on it if you let him have all 15-18. If you're all irl friends, sort it out amongst yourselves, but the other guys would have every right to think you were playing favorites. Your guy has a vested interest in his own game happening.
The only alternative I can think of is to give the others a chance to "reroll," using similar methods, but that'll start seeping into the game everywhere.
There are, btw, online stat rollers. If, hypothetically, one were to spam such an app while watching a movie, one could generate a predictable number of unearthly characters "honestly."
In all my games as player or otherwise the roll rules are decided by the gm.
Good for you for finding a way to have fun with your friend in a way that works for him, and everyone else. Shame on him for his immaturity ruining the fun for everyone else for what sounds like a long time, using cheating as a way to enforce his way of having fun over everyone else's, instead of just coming out and telling folks what he enjoyed and what he didn't, and tailoring his own participation accordingly...