If a wizard were to be another creature due to either the true polymorhp or magic jar spell. And then cast clone or have clone cast upon them, And 120 days later when the clone is matrured they died. Would they come back as the creature they were at that moment? And who's hit points would it assume? It's original or the creature it was at that moment?
It'd be down to the DM of the game to determine, it's similar to saying, what happens if a Lich casts wish to cast clone, there is nothing in clone that prevents it making a clone of an undead either... it's a pretty open spell and when spells are that open it is down to the DM to determine what is/is not allowed.
Personally (if ruling as a DM for my own game), I would say it's the current form of the creature for true polymorph, which would work for 'creature to creature' and 'object to creature' but not work for 'creature to object' but original creature for normal shapechange, polymorph or wild shape as none of these allow you to permanently become another type of creature like true polymorph does.
I would also rule that it still functions as true polymorph, thus the effect can still be dispelled on the resulting clone.
If I were the GM, I'd just state that the template for such a clone is flawed, and the spell fails.
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Personally, I would rule that the body would be the actual body. In the case of True Polymorph, the spell lasts until the creature dies. Because of the temporary nature of the spell, ending upon death, I would say that the effects of the spell do not transfer to the cloned body.
If Magic Jar is used, I would say that the effects of the Clone spell wait until the effects of Magic Jar are resolved, whereupon that end results in the wizard's death, they are shunted to the clone body.
If a wizard were to be another creature due to either the true polymorhp or magic jar spell. And then cast clone or have clone cast upon them, And 120 days later when the clone is matrured they died. Would they come back as the creature they were at that moment? And who's hit points would it assume? It's original or the creature it was at that moment?
Nope because that isn't their body, their soul has no attachment to it thus would not enter it upon the original body dying. If you're magic jarred into another creature then the clone of that body belongs to the original creature's soul, not to your soul.
If a wizard were to be another creature due to either the true polymorhp or magic jar spell. And then cast clone or have clone cast upon them, And 120 days later when the clone is matrured they died. Would they come back as the creature they were at that moment? And who's hit points would it assume? It's original or the creature it was at that moment?
It is going to vary on case-by-case basis. True Polymorph is just the ultimate cosplay spell. Clone will make a copy of the creature without any ongoing spell effects.
From the text of Magic Jar, if you are possessing a body, the creature that the body belongs to will be the target of the Clone spell, not the possessing creature, unless someone finds your original body is found and targeted.
If a wizard were to be another creature due to either the true polymorhp or magic jar spell. And then cast clone or have clone cast upon them, And 120 days later when the clone is matrured they died. Would they come back as the creature they were at that moment? And who's hit points would it assume? It's original or the creature it was at that moment?
It'd be down to the DM of the game to determine, it's similar to saying, what happens if a Lich casts wish to cast clone, there is nothing in clone that prevents it making a clone of an undead either... it's a pretty open spell and when spells are that open it is down to the DM to determine what is/is not allowed.
Personally (if ruling as a DM for my own game), I would say it's the current form of the creature for true polymorph, which would work for 'creature to creature' and 'object to creature' but not work for 'creature to object' but original creature for normal shapechange, polymorph or wild shape as none of these allow you to permanently become another type of creature like true polymorph does.
I would also rule that it still functions as true polymorph, thus the effect can still be dispelled on the resulting clone.
If I were the GM, I'd just state that the template for such a clone is flawed, and the spell fails.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
Personally, I would rule that the body would be the actual body. In the case of True Polymorph, the spell lasts until the creature dies. Because of the temporary nature of the spell, ending upon death, I would say that the effects of the spell do not transfer to the cloned body.
If Magic Jar is used, I would say that the effects of the Clone spell wait until the effects of Magic Jar are resolved, whereupon that end results in the wizard's death, they are shunted to the clone body.
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Nope because that isn't their body, their soul has no attachment to it thus would not enter it upon the original body dying. If you're magic jarred into another creature then the clone of that body belongs to the original creature's soul, not to your soul.
It is going to vary on case-by-case basis. True Polymorph is just the ultimate cosplay spell. Clone will make a copy of the creature without any ongoing spell effects.
From the text of Magic Jar, if you are possessing a body, the creature that the body belongs to will be the target of the Clone spell, not the possessing creature, unless someone finds your original body is found and targeted.
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