They have been a WIP for the past several Dev updates. Here is the most recent info I have seen. It was in regards to something else, but it also applies to this I believe. Posts 953, 956, and 957.
They have been a WIP for the past several Dev updates. Here is the most recent info I have seen. It was in regards to something else, but it also applies to this I believe. Posts 953, 956, and 957.
you didn't read my full post but thank you for the response Sposta
They have been a WIP for the past several Dev updates. Here is the most recent info I have seen. It was in regards to something else, but it also applies to this I believe. Posts 953, 956, and 957.
you didn't read my full post but thank you for the response Sposta
I read it. You were making a funny, but that doesn’t mean I did have useful information. And I’d rather share it with someone I like who made a funny.
Adam Bradford is on record as saying that UA is generally a low priority for the DDB team, as they have no idea if any man-hours they put into properly implementing the content will pay off in the end, or if Wizards will just pull it like they have half of the latest throng of UA stuff. If it's not something as simple as slapping a subclass together, it generally only gets as implemented as their current tools lets them do in an afternoon. See: Magic Tattoos. DDB, the business, specifically asked Wizards "you guys for real with this? This requires us to redo our entire product to make it work, and we ain't doing that unless we know you guys are for real with this."
They've been working on it for ten months.
That should say to you that the CFVs UA is not going away. It may be revised, but the content IS coming. officially, from Wizards, and DDB will have had the year or so they needed to get this shit down. I'm as utterly sick as the next gal of hearing "WIP", but the alternative is not hearing "WIP" and trying to figure out if that means it's been abandoned. They tried that for a while and it got them in trouble.
It sucks, nobody likes it, I'm as done with it as everybody else. I'm not even bothering to estimate release anymore. Just...try to remember, whenever you feel sore, that they could've been seven or eight months behind where they are now. And hopefully, when the actual book that has CFVs in them releases, DDB will be able to implement it properly the first time, instead of a year later. Looking at you, Both Eberron Books.
Listen, there is no way this could be implemented without digital dice. It's a fact. And if they tried to implement it without several high priced dice skins, it would've failed miserably. So now that the very important stuff is out of the way, they've laid the base for this UA. And I can promise you that'll it'll be implemented, in some sort of way, in time for the official book to come out, probably in December. So just buy more dice skins. Buy all the dice skins.
The digital shinies people are graphics artists, renderers, and other Visual Effects folks. Those folks do not have the training or the tools to do a damn thing about codebase backend. It's not entirely unlike asking an auto body repair guy to fix your transmission - yes, both the Body guy and the Transmission guy work on cars, but that does not mean their jobs are interchangeable.
The egregiously overpriced digi-dice are annoying, but they're also not slowing down progress on CFVs and "DDB 2.0". Whatever that progress happens to be at this point.
The guys who coded the system that rolls the dice, that integrated it into the character sheet, that allows the graphical artists to implement their effects. Those guys were focused on digital dice because it was an easy money grab.
I think that's covered by "renderers" and "Visual Effect folks". Coding is very diverse, the coding to get a dice show up and roll is significantly different than the code to run the backend of D&D Beyond.
Besides, putting more people on the same project has diminishing returns due to organization related things. Setting aside one or two people to do a fun side project isn't going to halt the entirely of D&D Beyond.
As for the money grab, common sense tells me cosmetics probably sell less than actual benefits, and more importantly they had to code a dice roller eventually (you can't really play D&D without dice). The dice skins are probably just a convenient way to keep the artists busy, it probably takes very little coding effort to change the picture for a dice to a gif. I don't work for D&D Beyond though, so I can't confirm any of this.
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if I edit a message, most of the time it's because of grammar. The rest of the time I'll put "Edit:" at the bottom.
I’m sure I missed something so hopefully I won’t be shouted down by someone haranguing me for not reading one of the 8 trillion other posts / threads, but—— I thought I saw on DDB twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/DnDBeyond/status/1295414543657492480) that the additional spells were now on DDB... I had previously assumed that would include the additional spell lists for the classes as provided for in last November’s UA CFV (eg Druid gets Augury and Thunderstep, Ranger gets Warding Bond etc). This does not appear to be the case. Can someone (gently) tell me what I missed? Have I misread something?
Class Feature Variants are widely assumed to be an all or nothing deal. Until they're ready to implement the entire document, they will not implement any single piece of it. Expanded spells may be 'easy', but for reasons discussed earlier in the thread, releasing part of the document months ahead of the rest of it just makes things so much worse for DDB.
. And hopefully, when the actual book that has CFVs in them releases, DDB will be able to implement it properly the first time, instead of a year later. Looking at you, Both Eberron Books.
That's the rub right? Its confirmed something similar is coming to a fall 2020 book, and this is kinda the proof that ddb can handle it. And they still can't. It shouldn't be a low priority anymore cuz now they have to prove to those who sub and spend hundreds of bucks this service will be compatible with a major change that comes out of a major polarized issue.
Say what you may of the dumpster fire that prompted a more concrete answer to the ability to change race and class features for variants, but it's coming. And while it's fine to meme ddb about how 6e things might work, the platform could gain a ton of that dumpster fire (not that it's right but damn the internet can dumpster fire well) if it can't be implemented easily by the player without janky homebrew.. :/
. And hopefully, when the actual book that has CFVs in them releases, DDB will be able to implement it properly the first time, instead of a year later. Looking at you, Both Eberron Books.
That's the rub right? Its confirmed something similar is coming to a fall 2020 book, and this is kinda the proof that ddb can handle it. And they still can't. It shouldn't be a low priority anymore cuz now they have to prove to those who sub and spend hundreds of bucks this service will be compatible with a major change that comes out of a major polarized issue.
Say what you may of the dumpster fire that prompted a more concrete answer to the ability to change race and class features for variants, but it's coming. And while it's fine to meme ddb about how 6e things might work, the platform could gain a ton of that dumpster fire (not that it's right but damn the internet can dumpster fire well) if it can't be implemented easily by the player without janky homebrew.. :/
Yes and they have stated that this needed a major rework on the class framework they have now when that is complete throwing the CFV into the mix when it goes live won't be an issue. Now with what WotC has stated about Racial adjustments and with how popular the CFV was on its survey along with the Feats UA being popular and the end of year book not being announced yet but mentioned as the unnamed product coming out that really let DDB know they pretty much need this done which to me gives myself a strong deal of good faith in DDB having it ready. Like how the Dragonmark spells are now live with the Ravnica guide background spells also live.
Based on when the book they're going to be published in comes out.
Honestly, given how long it's taken them to get Spells of the Mark functioning properly, I would legitimately be unsurprised if they missed this deadline too.
Oh, it wouldn't shock me in the least. But in this case, CFVs could be considered THE coremost feature of the book, competing only with the Lineage system. If DDB can't deliver on this one, it's not "oh, a side piece of the content is currently nonfunctional; sorry, we'll get to it as soon as we can", it's "you bought this book and the most important piece of it is nonfunctional. Oooooopsies?"
The bloodbath will be legendary if they flub this as badly as they're lining up to. CFVs have only been kept under containment because it's still UA, even if it's apparently the most popular UA of all time. Once that shit goes official and DDB says "Sorry, sorry! we just need six more months...", people're gonna go thermonuclear. You can bet the pressure to get this shit done already just ratcheted up a good tenfold in the DDB (home) offices.
As someone who doesn't really have much physical space to have a dozen or so books lying around at the moment, as long as I can read the digital copy on Beyond, even if it doesn't function with the character creator fully, I'd be happy. Now, hopefully they do have it up with the character creator.
Wonder if this is why they haven't listed the book for sale here yet. I can't recall any other books taking this long to go up. But then again, no digital distributors have it yet, so this is really just idle speculation.
ok I read here first now I'm asking are the class feature variants live yet, even though I know that they ain't yet lol
They have been a WIP for the past several Dev updates. Here is the most recent info I have seen. It was in regards to something else, but it also applies to this I believe. Posts 953, 956, and 957.
Creating Epic Boons on DDB
DDB Buyers' Guide
Hardcovers, DDB & You
Content Troubleshooting
you didn't read my full post but thank you for the response Sposta
I read it. You were making a funny, but that doesn’t mean I did have useful information. And I’d rather share it with someone I like who made a funny.
Creating Epic Boons on DDB
DDB Buyers' Guide
Hardcovers, DDB & You
Content Troubleshooting
Lemme put it this way.
DDB has been working on this UA for ten months.
Ten months.
Adam Bradford is on record as saying that UA is generally a low priority for the DDB team, as they have no idea if any man-hours they put into properly implementing the content will pay off in the end, or if Wizards will just pull it like they have half of the latest throng of UA stuff. If it's not something as simple as slapping a subclass together, it generally only gets as implemented as their current tools lets them do in an afternoon. See: Magic Tattoos. DDB, the business, specifically asked Wizards "you guys for real with this? This requires us to redo our entire product to make it work, and we ain't doing that unless we know you guys are for real with this."
They've been working on it for ten months.
That should say to you that the CFVs UA is not going away. It may be revised, but the content IS coming. officially, from Wizards, and DDB will have had the year or so they needed to get this shit down. I'm as utterly sick as the next gal of hearing "WIP", but the alternative is not hearing "WIP" and trying to figure out if that means it's been abandoned. They tried that for a while and it got them in trouble.
It sucks, nobody likes it, I'm as done with it as everybody else. I'm not even bothering to estimate release anymore. Just...try to remember, whenever you feel sore, that they could've been seven or eight months behind where they are now. And hopefully, when the actual book that has CFVs in them releases, DDB will be able to implement it properly the first time, instead of a year later. Looking at you, Both Eberron Books.
Please do not contact or message me.
Listen, there is no way this could be implemented without digital dice. It's a fact. And if they tried to implement it without several high priced dice skins, it would've failed miserably. So now that the very important stuff is out of the way, they've laid the base for this UA. And I can promise you that'll it'll be implemented, in some sort of way, in time for the official book to come out, probably in December. So just buy more dice skins. Buy all the dice skins.
The digital shinies people are graphics artists, renderers, and other Visual Effects folks. Those folks do not have the training or the tools to do a damn thing about codebase backend. It's not entirely unlike asking an auto body repair guy to fix your transmission - yes, both the Body guy and the Transmission guy work on cars, but that does not mean their jobs are interchangeable.
The egregiously overpriced digi-dice are annoying, but they're also not slowing down progress on CFVs and "DDB 2.0". Whatever that progress happens to be at this point.
Please do not contact or message me.
The guys who coded the system that rolls the dice, that integrated it into the character sheet, that allows the graphical artists to implement their effects. Those guys were focused on digital dice because it was an easy money grab.
I think that's covered by "renderers" and "Visual Effect folks". Coding is very diverse, the coding to get a dice show up and roll is significantly different than the code to run the backend of D&D Beyond.
Besides, putting more people on the same project has diminishing returns due to organization related things. Setting aside one or two people to do a fun side project isn't going to halt the entirely of D&D Beyond.
As for the money grab, common sense tells me cosmetics probably sell less than actual benefits, and more importantly they had to code a dice roller eventually (you can't really play D&D without dice). The dice skins are probably just a convenient way to keep the artists busy, it probably takes very little coding effort to change the picture for a dice to a gif. I don't work for D&D Beyond though, so I can't confirm any of this.
if I edit a message, most of the time it's because of grammar. The rest of the time I'll put "Edit:" at the bottom.
I’m sure I missed something so hopefully I won’t be shouted down by someone haranguing me for not reading one of the 8 trillion other posts / threads, but—— I thought I saw on DDB twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/DnDBeyond/status/1295414543657492480) that the additional spells were now on DDB... I had previously assumed that would include the additional spell lists for the classes as provided for in last November’s UA CFV (eg Druid gets Augury and Thunderstep, Ranger gets Warding Bond etc). This does not appear to be the case. Can someone (gently) tell me what I missed? Have I misread something?
many thanks
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Don't be Lawful Evil
Class Feature Variants are widely assumed to be an all or nothing deal. Until they're ready to implement the entire document, they will not implement any single piece of it. Expanded spells may be 'easy', but for reasons discussed earlier in the thread, releasing part of the document months ahead of the rest of it just makes things so much worse for DDB.
Please do not contact or message me.
That's the rub right? Its confirmed something similar is coming to a fall 2020 book, and this is kinda the proof that ddb can handle it. And they still can't. It shouldn't be a low priority anymore cuz now they have to prove to those who sub and spend hundreds of bucks this service will be compatible with a major change that comes out of a major polarized issue.
Say what you may of the dumpster fire that prompted a more concrete answer to the ability to change race and class features for variants, but it's coming. And while it's fine to meme ddb about how 6e things might work, the platform could gain a ton of that dumpster fire (not that it's right but damn the internet can dumpster fire well) if it can't be implemented easily by the player without janky homebrew.. :/
Yes and they have stated that this needed a major rework on the class framework they have now when that is complete throwing the CFV into the mix when it goes live won't be an issue. Now with what WotC has stated about Racial adjustments and with how popular the CFV was on its survey along with the Feats UA being popular and the end of year book not being announced yet but mentioned as the unnamed product coming out that really let DDB know they pretty much need this done which to me gives myself a strong deal of good faith in DDB having it ready. Like how the Dragonmark spells are now live with the Ravnica guide background spells also live.
November 17th at the latest!
Based on when the book they're going to be published in comes out.
Yuuuup.
Updated the original post with that exact information. Hopefully people will see it and learn.
Please do not contact or message me.
Honestly, given how long it's taken them to get Spells of the Mark functioning properly, I would legitimately be unsurprised if they missed this deadline too.
Oh, it wouldn't shock me in the least. But in this case, CFVs could be considered THE coremost feature of the book, competing only with the Lineage system. If DDB can't deliver on this one, it's not "oh, a side piece of the content is currently nonfunctional; sorry, we'll get to it as soon as we can", it's "you bought this book and the most important piece of it is nonfunctional. Oooooopsies?"
The bloodbath will be legendary if they flub this as badly as they're lining up to. CFVs have only been kept under containment because it's still UA, even if it's apparently the most popular UA of all time. Once that shit goes official and DDB says "Sorry, sorry! we just need six more months...", people're gonna go thermonuclear. You can bet the pressure to get this shit done already just ratcheted up a good tenfold in the DDB (home) offices.
Please do not contact or message me.
As someone who doesn't really have much physical space to have a dozen or so books lying around at the moment, as long as I can read the digital copy on Beyond, even if it doesn't function with the character creator fully, I'd be happy. Now, hopefully they do have it up with the character creator.
Can't wait for the "Read Here Before Asking 'when do the new Class Features from Tasha's go live on DDB?" thread.
Wonder if this is why they haven't listed the book for sale here yet. I can't recall any other books taking this long to go up. But then again, no digital distributors have it yet, so this is really just idle speculation.
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