The article does not say too much, but what it does say is promising - and in line with everything else that we know of the show. The main point they make is that the showrunners guiding principle was “what would Tolkien do?” Critcally, they are trying to make something based on the primary sources, rather than on Peter Jackson’s films. Additionally, they were clear they are not trying to make something like GoT - the show which kickstarted the present fantasy television boom. The showrunners compared writing shows to playing a piano, noting that GoT played its one octave of “adult fantasy” very well, but Tolkien played the whole piano - from childlike whimsy to high fantasy to complex politics, Tolkien covered the whole breadth of harmonies the genera could offer. In writing the show, they indicated they wanted to capture the whole range of Tolkien, and thus create something with a depth not seen in its competitor shows.
Looking forward to getting some new information later This week.
The article does not say too much, but what it does say is promising - and in line with everything else that we know of the show. The main point they make is that the showrunners guiding principle was “what would Tolkien do?” Critcally, they are trying to make something based on the primary sources, rather than on Peter Jackson’s films. Additionally, they were clear they are not trying to make something like GoT - the show which kickstarted the present fantasy television boom. The showrunners compared writing shows to playing a piano, noting that GoT played its one octave of “adult fantasy” very well, but Tolkien played the whole piano - from childlike whimsy to high fantasy to complex politics, Tolkien covered the whole breadth of harmonies the genera could offer. In writing the show, they indicated they wanted to capture the whole range of Tolkien, and thus create something with a depth not seen in its competitor shows.
Looking forward to getting some new information later This week.
That sounds pretty cool. But I heard a lot of Tolkien fans hated it.
The article does not say too much, but what it does say is promising - and in line with everything else that we know of the show. The main point they make is that the showrunners guiding principle was “what would Tolkien do?” Critcally, they are trying to make something based on the primary sources, rather than on Peter Jackson’s films. Additionally, they were clear they are not trying to make something like GoT - the show which kickstarted the present fantasy television boom. The showrunners compared writing shows to playing a piano, noting that GoT played its one octave of “adult fantasy” very well, but Tolkien played the whole piano - from childlike whimsy to high fantasy to complex politics, Tolkien covered the whole breadth of harmonies the genera could offer. In writing the show, they indicated they wanted to capture the whole range of Tolkien, and thus create something with a depth not seen in its competitor shows.
Looking forward to getting some new information later This week.
That sounds pretty cool. But I heard a lot of Tolkien fans hated it.
None of those are actual “fans” - they are a bunch of loud people on the internet complaining based on a purposefully vague trailer and whatever is being said in their echo chambers.
Some real fans, on the other hand - a mix of Tolkien bloggers, scholars, and the operators of large Tolkien social media/wiki sites - were shown the first episode of the show. Each and every one of them was blown away by what they saw and the respect shown for the source material. The show also has the blessing of Tolkien’s family, who have been directly involved in its production.
The early impressions of the show have been an interesting study in internet culture, and how misinformation, often informed by bigotry (lots of folks pointlessly upset that there’s several female leads and a multiracial cast) and/or lack of knowledge on the actual source material spreads faster than the actual information based on press releases, firsthand accounts, and Tolkien’s family itself.
(which isn’t to say all the naysayers are bigots - just that a lot of the misinformation or bad information is being driven by bigots, and others are falling into the trap of believing them.)
The article does not say too much, but what it does say is promising - and in line with everything else that we know of the show. The main point they make is that the showrunners guiding principle was “what would Tolkien do?” Critcally, they are trying to make something based on the primary sources, rather than on Peter Jackson’s films. Additionally, they were clear they are not trying to make something like GoT - the show which kickstarted the present fantasy television boom. The showrunners compared writing shows to playing a piano, noting that GoT played its one octave of “adult fantasy” very well, but Tolkien played the whole piano - from childlike whimsy to high fantasy to complex politics, Tolkien covered the whole breadth of harmonies the genera could offer. In writing the show, they indicated they wanted to capture the whole range of Tolkien, and thus create something with a depth not seen in its competitor shows.
Looking forward to getting some new information later This week.
That sounds pretty cool. But I heard a lot of Tolkien fans hated it.
None of those are actual “fans” - they are a bunch of loud people on the internet complaining based on a purposefully vague trailer and whatever is being said in their echo chambers.
Some real fans, on the other hand - a mix of Tolkien bloggers, scholars, and the operators of large Tolkien social media/wiki sites - were shown the first episode of the show. Each and every one of them was blown away by what they saw and the respect shown for the source material. The show also has the blessing of Tolkien’s family, who have been directly involved in its production.
The early impressions of the show have been an interesting study in internet culture, and how misinformation, often informed by bigotry (lots of folks pointlessly upset that there’s several female leads and a multiracial cast) and/or lack of knowledge on the actual source material spreads faster than the actual information based on press releases, firsthand accounts, and Tolkien’s family itself.
Another article with some new information. This article discusses Harfoots - the protohobbits that existed in Middle Earth in the Second Age. Hobbits as we know them are a mysterious group that seem to settle down at the beginning of the Third Age - but the official sources have no real information on where they came from and what they were doing before settlement.
Which is why they chose this particular era for the show - it is the era least covered by Tolkien’s official works, so it gives the showrunners the ability to work with Tolkien’s family and fill in gaps that even long-standing fans of the material will find magical and new. And, since it needs to be repeated, the “new” material is not replacing old lore, nor is it “destroying” the existing canon - Tolkien’s family has been clear that they will not let the showrunners change Tolkien’s story, nor add anything “new” that doesn’t have the blessing of the (extremely protective of J.R.R.’s legacy) family.
The article does not say too much, but what it does say is promising - and in line with everything else that we know of the show. The main point they make is that the showrunners guiding principle was “what would Tolkien do?” Critcally, they are trying to make something based on the primary sources, rather than on Peter Jackson’s films. Additionally, they were clear they are not trying to make something like GoT - the show which kickstarted the present fantasy television boom. The showrunners compared writing shows to playing a piano, noting that GoT played its one octave of “adult fantasy” very well, but Tolkien played the whole piano - from childlike whimsy to high fantasy to complex politics, Tolkien covered the whole breadth of harmonies the genera could offer. In writing the show, they indicated they wanted to capture the whole range of Tolkien, and thus create something with a depth not seen in its competitor shows.
Looking forward to getting some new information later This week.
That sounds pretty cool. But I heard a lot of Tolkien fans hated it.
None of those are actual “fans” - they are a bunch of loud people on the internet complaining based on a purposefully vague trailer and whatever is being said in their echo chambers.
Some real fans, on the other hand - a mix of Tolkien bloggers, scholars, and the operators of large Tolkien social media/wiki sites - were shown the first episode of the show. Each and every one of them was blown away by what they saw and the respect shown for the source material. The show also has the blessing of Tolkien’s family, who have been directly involved in its production.
The early impressions of the show have been an interesting study in internet culture, and how misinformation, often informed by bigotry (lots of folks pointlessly upset that there’s several female leads and a multiracial cast) and/or lack of knowledge on the actual source material spreads faster than the actual information based on press releases, firsthand accounts, and Tolkien’s family itself.
(which isn’t to say all the naysayers are bigots - just that a lot of the misinformation or bad information is being driven by bigots, and others are falling into the trap of believing them.)
Really? Guess that’s why the One Ring.net, the hub of the Tolkien fandom, only got THREE LIKES on twitter last time they posted anything about RoP. 3. Likes. Sure, that’s a lot of fans. Guess the entire 3 million dislikes on the YouTube trailer are all racist bigots. Despite logic and math saying otherwise.
Tolkien estate are good with this? Sure. Guess that’s why they refused to give Amazon the rights to idk, the books that have 99% of the stuff they need. Amazon are completely unable to make a faithful adaptation, they don’t have the rights to the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, History of Middle Earth, etc. They only have LotR, the Hobbit, and the Appendices, which have next to nothing on the Second Age in them. So saying that the show will be faithful to the source material is bullshit, they are simply not allowed to be faithful and are gonna have to make up most of this completely. They cannot make a faithful adaptation. So yeah, I think the Tolkien estate needs an update on how to back something. Cause they’re doing a wonderful impression of trying to make Amazon look like idiots (and succeeding).
No one has a problem with a female lead character: It’s more that Galadriel is not the blood spattered hell raiser who disembowels first and asks questions later who has got so much press lately. There are some ******** out there who don’t like the whole black elf thing: They’re idiots. The only problem real fans have with it is the fact our black elf just looks like a Will Smith ripoff, with his stereotypical and very racist 21st century “black guy” haircut, cutoff sleeves to show off his buff biceps no elf would have (they’re slender!), etc. He doesn’t even look like an elf, he looks like a very racist depiction of a standard Hollywood movie “black guy” with pointy ears.
So yeah: I’m not seeing any fans on Amazon’s side, it is cold hard fact that Amazon are not allowed to make a faithful representation so they’re gonna have to make most of it up, and while there are a small crowd of bigots who are jumping in cause they’re ******** the majority of the fans have very valid reasons as to why they don’t like the show.
I will respond to your point about the rights, since it is the exact kind of misinformation I was talking about. Legal rights are complicated, and the LotR rights are more complicated than most. The Tolkien estate sold off the rights piecemeal over the course of decades, so they became a mismatched mess where film rights to different parts of Tolkien’s works ended up with different companies (not to mention game rights, rights to produce products, etc.).
The Tolkien family had literally nothing to do with “refusing” to give Amazon the rights to the totality of Tolkien’s work; they literally had no legal ability to do so since those rights already were in the hands of others.
This is, of course, something that has been discussed at length by legitimate sources; but misinformation (and some truly terrible legal analysis) spreads faster than reality.
I will respond to your point about the rights, since it is the exact kind of misinformation I was talking about. Legal rights are complicated, and the LotR rights are more complicated than most. The Tolkien estate sold off the rights piecemeal over the course of decades, so they became a mismatched mess where film rights to different parts of Tolkien’s works ended up with different companies (not to mention game rights, rights to produce products, etc.).
The Tolkien family had literally nothing to do with “refusing” to give Amazon the rights to the totality of Tolkien’s work; they literally had no legal ability to do so since those rights already were in the hands of others.
This is, of course, something that has been discussed at length by legitimate sources; but misinformation (and some truly terrible legal analysis) spreads faster than reality.
Ok, it’s misinformation. But in all this post I really don’t see anything about how Amazon have the rights. They don’t have the rights. Their directors said so in an article I can post here. They said they couldn’t follow the lore cause they’re not allowed to. This is from the mouths of the directors: They cannot make a faithful adaptation. That’s not false news. That’s straight from the show itself.
Oh, and they also said they asked the Tolkien estate themselves, and the Tolkien estate refused. So…. Right.
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Ok jeez no posts yikes LotR
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Ok guys post stuff!
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Who would be high king of the sindar after Thingol?
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No clue
Doesn’t Oropher sorta semi get it? Since the very few remaining Sindar head off with him.
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One day no posts... Hey Gradius where are you, need some help here!
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But he isn't related to Thingol. He wasn't in line to inherit it
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A case could be made for Elrond being high king of the noldor and the sindar, making him high king of the elves in middle earth
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Yeah… Also any ideas for breaking up the lack of anything in here anyone? We’re starting a record for slowness on here.
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Ooo, favorite thing from the unfinished tales? I like the magic whale
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Empire has a new article out discussing the new show - their full magazine dedicated to the show, which will likely contain a bunch of new images and information comes out Thursday (June 9t, 2022).
The article does not say too much, but what it does say is promising - and in line with everything else that we know of the show. The main point they make is that the showrunners guiding principle was “what would Tolkien do?” Critcally, they are trying to make something based on the primary sources, rather than on Peter Jackson’s films. Additionally, they were clear they are not trying to make something like GoT - the show which kickstarted the present fantasy television boom. The showrunners compared writing shows to playing a piano, noting that GoT played its one octave of “adult fantasy” very well, but Tolkien played the whole piano - from childlike whimsy to high fantasy to complex politics, Tolkien covered the whole breadth of harmonies the genera could offer. In writing the show, they indicated they wanted to capture the whole range of Tolkien, and thus create something with a depth not seen in its competitor shows.
Looking forward to getting some new information later This week.
That sounds pretty cool. But I heard a lot of Tolkien fans hated it.
None of those are actual “fans” - they are a bunch of loud people on the internet complaining based on a purposefully vague trailer and whatever is being said in their echo chambers.
Some real fans, on the other hand - a mix of Tolkien bloggers, scholars, and the operators of large Tolkien social media/wiki sites - were shown the first episode of the show. Each and every one of them was blown away by what they saw and the respect shown for the source material. The show also has the blessing of Tolkien’s family, who have been directly involved in its production.
The early impressions of the show have been an interesting study in internet culture, and how misinformation, often informed by bigotry (lots of folks pointlessly upset that there’s several female leads and a multiracial cast) and/or lack of knowledge on the actual source material spreads faster than the actual information based on press releases, firsthand accounts, and Tolkien’s family itself.
(which isn’t to say all the naysayers are bigots - just that a lot of the misinformation or bad information is being driven by bigots, and others are falling into the trap of believing them.)
Thank you.
Another article with some new information. This article discusses Harfoots - the protohobbits that existed in Middle Earth in the Second Age. Hobbits as we know them are a mysterious group that seem to settle down at the beginning of the Third Age - but the official sources have no real information on where they came from and what they were doing before settlement.
Which is why they chose this particular era for the show - it is the era least covered by Tolkien’s official works, so it gives the showrunners the ability to work with Tolkien’s family and fill in gaps that even long-standing fans of the material will find magical and new. And, since it needs to be repeated, the “new” material is not replacing old lore, nor is it “destroying” the existing canon - Tolkien’s family has been clear that they will not let the showrunners change Tolkien’s story, nor add anything “new” that doesn’t have the blessing of the (extremely protective of J.R.R.’s legacy) family.
Really? Guess that’s why the One Ring.net, the hub of the Tolkien fandom, only got THREE LIKES on twitter last time they posted anything about RoP. 3. Likes. Sure, that’s a lot of fans. Guess the entire 3 million dislikes on the YouTube trailer are all racist bigots. Despite logic and math saying otherwise.
Tolkien estate are good with this? Sure. Guess that’s why they refused to give Amazon the rights to idk, the books that have 99% of the stuff they need. Amazon are completely unable to make a faithful adaptation, they don’t have the rights to the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, History of Middle Earth, etc. They only have LotR, the Hobbit, and the Appendices, which have next to nothing on the Second Age in them. So saying that the show will be faithful to the source material is bullshit, they are simply not allowed to be faithful and are gonna have to make up most of this completely. They cannot make a faithful adaptation. So yeah, I think the Tolkien estate needs an update on how to back something. Cause they’re doing a wonderful impression of trying to make Amazon look like idiots (and succeeding).
No one has a problem with a female lead character: It’s more that Galadriel is not the blood spattered hell raiser who disembowels first and asks questions later who has got so much press lately. There are some ******** out there who don’t like the whole black elf thing: They’re idiots. The only problem real fans have with it is the fact our black elf just looks like a Will Smith ripoff, with his stereotypical and very racist 21st century “black guy” haircut, cutoff sleeves to show off his buff biceps no elf would have (they’re slender!), etc. He doesn’t even look like an elf, he looks like a very racist depiction of a standard Hollywood movie “black guy” with pointy ears.
So yeah: I’m not seeing any fans on Amazon’s side, it is cold hard fact that Amazon are not allowed to make a faithful representation so they’re gonna have to make most of it up, and while there are a small crowd of bigots who are jumping in cause they’re ******** the majority of the fans have very valid reasons as to why they don’t like the show.
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I will respond to your point about the rights, since it is the exact kind of misinformation I was talking about. Legal rights are complicated, and the LotR rights are more complicated than most. The Tolkien estate sold off the rights piecemeal over the course of decades, so they became a mismatched mess where film rights to different parts of Tolkien’s works ended up with different companies (not to mention game rights, rights to produce products, etc.).
The Tolkien family had literally nothing to do with “refusing” to give Amazon the rights to the totality of Tolkien’s work; they literally had no legal ability to do so since those rights already were in the hands of others.
This is, of course, something that has been discussed at length by legitimate sources; but misinformation (and some truly terrible legal analysis) spreads faster than reality.
Ok, it’s misinformation. But in all this post I really don’t see anything about how Amazon have the rights. They don’t have the rights. Their directors said so in an article I can post here. They said they couldn’t follow the lore cause they’re not allowed to. This is from the mouths of the directors: They cannot make a faithful adaptation. That’s not false news. That’s straight from the show itself.
Oh, and they also said they asked the Tolkien estate themselves, and the Tolkien estate refused. So…. Right.
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