*okay so ruuules clarification here: Any non will going against a greater will without a true Artifact will lose, the will is simply beyond this level of fighting. However of course it’s fine to use stats to fight them because we’re assuming the will is giving them a chance to win. But if a Will wants to kill a non will, then that non will has basically no chance. True artifacts basically automatically default it to fighting with stats, will figure out rules for that later. At least, that’s what I’ve come up with here*
*I don’t think gods can just autokill people though? Otherwise they would just go do that and have pretty much no consequences. Adventurers can canonically kill gods without needing a god killing weapon. I mean it’s a lot more likely that a god will kill a person in a straight fight, but that doesn’t mean there’s no chance a person wins.*
*these are gods with manipulation of reality as you know it. They can create something from nothing and remove things from existence as a whole*
*Yes but they can still die, and a combat statblock is more fun than magic handwave boom you’re dead womp womp*
*fair, but RAW, you shouldn’t even be able to hurt wills. Also tosu is restrained so those attacks have disadvantage*
*so these greater wills/gods in this thread, their powers were designed without the real possibility of mortals harming them in mind. We’ve made it so that the gods don’t really need stats to fight because most people don’t really want to take the time to design them, and as such we’ve sorta just made it that they’re above mortals when it comes to fighting and stuff. I’m trying to come up with a way to make it more interesting though, but that might take a while. Sorry!*
*I mean, I think that a greater will can’t just autokill someone, but an adventurer also can’t really actually kill a god beyond an aspect. So there is a fair fight between the avatar of the god and the person, but the god doesn’t actually die it’s just weakened or smth. And 1v1ing a god avatar as a PC is generally a bad idea that will end up in you dying. I just think that you shouldn’t be able to say ‘okay you die because im more powerful and I say so’ that seems like playground rules.*
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*okay so ruuules clarification here: Any non will going against a greater will without a true Artifact will lose, the will is simply beyond this level of fighting. However of course it’s fine to use stats to fight them because we’re assuming the will is giving them a chance to win. But if a Will wants to kill a non will, then that non will has basically no chance. True artifacts basically automatically default it to fighting with stats, will figure out rules for that later. At least, that’s what I’ve come up with here*
*I don’t think gods can just autokill people though? Otherwise they would just go do that and have pretty much no consequences. Adventurers can canonically kill gods without needing a god killing weapon. I mean it’s a lot more likely that a god will kill a person in a straight fight, but that doesn’t mean there’s no chance a person wins.*
*these are gods with manipulation of reality as you know it. They can create something from nothing and remove things from existence as a whole*
*Yes but they can still die, and a combat statblock is more fun than magic handwave boom you’re dead womp womp*
*fair, but RAW, you shouldn’t even be able to hurt wills. Also tosu is restrained so those attacks have disadvantage*
*I did, I think? Did I not? I’m on mobile I can’t check.*
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*okay so ruuules clarification here: Any non will going against a greater will without a true Artifact will lose, the will is simply beyond this level of fighting. However of course it’s fine to use stats to fight them because we’re assuming the will is giving them a chance to win. But if a Will wants to kill a non will, then that non will has basically no chance. True artifacts basically automatically default it to fighting with stats, will figure out rules for that later. At least, that’s what I’ve come up with here*
*I don’t think gods can just autokill people though? Otherwise they would just go do that and have pretty much no consequences. Adventurers can canonically kill gods without needing a god killing weapon. I mean it’s a lot more likely that a god will kill a person in a straight fight, but that doesn’t mean there’s no chance a person wins.*
*these are gods with manipulation of reality as you know it. They can create something from nothing and remove things from existence as a whole*
*Yes but they can still die, and a combat statblock is more fun than magic handwave boom you’re dead womp womp*
*fair, but RAW, you shouldn’t even be able to hurt wills. Also tosu is restrained so those attacks have disadvantage*
*I did, I think? Did I not? I’m on mobile I can’t check.*
*I don’t think so but I can just let it slide this time*
*It all really depends on the fantasy and world building of said world. There is a lot of D&D lore that speaks of gods just being able to kill mortals if they want, but doing so can incur the wrath of other gods who can cause harm to other gods. Also you can't really kill gods in 5e, you only fight avatars or aspects and they simply return to their home dimensions when they are "killed"*
*Yea exactly, so a god can really only manifest as an aspect to be able to walk around, so the aspect wouldn’t be able to one shot kill people. Being a god is beyond human comprehension and existing beyond the mortal world, so you can’t really fully interact with it. I’m just saying that if a person is picking a fight with a god they can tangibly see, it should probably get a statblock. Just cause its not the actual god there, and I mean it’ll be CR 30 anyway.*
*We might be debating different things, sorry if I'm not understanding.
Once again, it really just depends of the fantasy and world building. A god can mean a lot of different things to different people. At different points of D&D's history, even aspects and avatars can just kill mortals if they wished. Its just not as many. That doesn't mean we have to do that here, but its fantasy. Anything can happen. We can just have the gods be untouchable to mortals if that is the fantasy we choose to play by in this thread.
Not that I'm against the idea of very powerful mortals trying to fight the gods in this thread, I think it's neat. It might even be cool to make more mechanics to try and facilitate that. I just am rejecting the idea that the gods must just exist in one particular way in general, thread or not.
but I'm a pretty passionate world builder so that is just me XD*
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"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
*sooooo rules as written right now a greater Will can immediately, instantly kill a nom greater will if they wish. But I will try and design a system for this that is fair and can allow mortals to fight them. It’s just that I don’t really have authority to change the main rules, and also I don’t know what to do yet. My current idea is system to create stats for avatars, and a mortal can’t really kill a greater Will unless they have a true artifact, but they can kill avatars. Not sure about the other way around yet, will try and figure it out. Any help is very welcome!*
*I don’t think so but I can just let it slide this time*
*I’ll reroll, take the lower of the two for each* 20 and 22 30 and 26
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All three hit and Tosu looks surprised. He winces, looking pretty badly wounded. As an action, he’ll lay on hands himself, BA shield of faith. STR: 21
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*We might be debating different things, sorry if I'm not understanding.
Once again, it really just depends of the fantasy and world building. A god can mean a lot of different things to different people. At different points of D&D's history, even aspects and avatars can just kill mortals if they wished. Its just not as many. That doesn't mean we have to do that here, but its fantasy. Anything can happen. We can just have the gods be untouchable to mortals if that is the fantasy we choose to play by in this thread.
Not that I'm against the idea of very powerful mortals trying to fight the gods in this thread, I think it's neat. It might even be cool to make more mechanics to try and facilitate that. I just am rejecting the idea that the gods must just exist in one particular way in general, thread or not.
but I'm a pretty passionate world builder so that is just me XD*
*I think we are debating different things. We both agree that gods shouldn’t have to exist in one particular way. What I’m saying is that making the general rule of thumb being a handwave and killing people is kinda lame.*
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*sooooo rules as written right now a greater Will can immediately, instantly kill a nom greater will if they wish. But I will try and design a system for this that is fair and can allow mortals to fight them. It’s just that I don’t really have authority to change the main rules, and also I don’t know what to do yet. My current idea is system to create stats for avatars, and a mortal can’t really kill a greater Will unless they have a true artifact, but they can kill avatars. Not sure about the other way around yet, will try and figure it out. Any help is very welcome!*
*I'm not sure honestly.*
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"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
*sooooo rules as written right now a greater Will can immediately, instantly kill a nom greater will if they wish. But I will try and design a system for this that is fair and can allow mortals to fight them. It’s just that I don’t really have authority to change the main rules, and also I don’t know what to do yet. My current idea is system to create stats for avatars, and a mortal can’t really kill a greater Will unless they have a true artifact, but they can kill avatars. Not sure about the other way around yet, will try and figure it out. Any help is very welcome!*
*Yea I think standardizing a system for creating god avatars is a good idea. Also capping how many avatars based on your power level. *
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*We might be debating different things, sorry if I'm not understanding.
Once again, it really just depends of the fantasy and world building. A god can mean a lot of different things to different people. At different points of D&D's history, even aspects and avatars can just kill mortals if they wished. Its just not as many. That doesn't mean we have to do that here, but its fantasy. Anything can happen. We can just have the gods be untouchable to mortals if that is the fantasy we choose to play by in this thread.
Not that I'm against the idea of very powerful mortals trying to fight the gods in this thread, I think it's neat. It might even be cool to make more mechanics to try and facilitate that. I just am rejecting the idea that the gods must just exist in one particular way in general, thread or not.
but I'm a pretty passionate world builder so that is just me XD*
*I think we are debating different things. We both agree that gods shouldn’t have to exist in one particular way. What I’m saying is that making the general rule of thumb being a handwave and killing people is kinda lame.*
*Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I get it. I think because this thread was made with the idea that we would all be roleplaying the Greater Wills, that it makes since that we can do whatever we wanted with the mortals and should only fear other Greater Wills. It gets muddied when you want to play as a mortal instead of a Greater Will.*
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"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
*sooooo rules as written right now a greater Will can immediately, instantly kill a nom greater will if they wish. But I will try and design a system for this that is fair and can allow mortals to fight them. It’s just that I don’t really have authority to change the main rules, and also I don’t know what to do yet. My current idea is system to create stats for avatars, and a mortal can’t really kill a greater Will unless they have a true artifact, but they can kill avatars. Not sure about the other way around yet, will try and figure it out. Any help is very welcome!*
*Yea I think standardizing a system for creating god avatars is a good idea. Also capping how many avatars based on your power level. *
*okay alright yes*
*one minor thing is that i again don’t have the authority to change the main rules, so maybe the true forms of gods just stay the same because I can’t do much about that and we add rules for avatars. Alternative is if I can contact Baalz to talk about these changes, wills can only instantly kill creatures or monsters of a certain CR or lower, others they have to fight. But these will be a biiiig change so if you or anyone else could help with either of those things that would be greatly appreciated.*
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*Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I get it. I think because this thread was made with the idea that we would all be roleplaying the Greater Wills, that it makes since that we can do whatever we wanted with the mortals and should only fear other Greater Wills. It gets muddied when you want to play as a mortal instead of a Greater Will.*
*But one of the fun parts of playing a god is the complicated relationship with mortals :3*
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*fair, but RAW, you shouldn’t even be able to hurt wills. Also tosu is restrained so those attacks have disadvantage*
Somewhere between a genius and a moron.
*I mean, I think that a greater will can’t just autokill someone, but an adventurer also can’t really actually kill a god beyond an aspect. So there is a fair fight between the avatar of the god and the person, but the god doesn’t actually die it’s just weakened or smth. And 1v1ing a god avatar as a PC is generally a bad idea that will end up in you dying. I just think that you shouldn’t be able to say ‘okay you die because im more powerful and I say so’ that seems like playground rules.*
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*I did, I think? Did I not? I’m on mobile I can’t check.*
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*I don’t think so but I can just let it slide this time*
Somewhere between a genius and a moron.
The second hits
Attack: 38 Damage: 26
Attack: 38 Damage: 23
Attack: 38 Damage: 34
Somewhere between a genius and a moron.
*We might be debating different things, sorry if I'm not understanding.
Once again, it really just depends of the fantasy and world building. A god can mean a lot of different things to different people. At different points of D&D's history, even aspects and avatars can just kill mortals if they wished. Its just not as many. That doesn't mean we have to do that here, but its fantasy. Anything can happen. We can just have the gods be untouchable to mortals if that is the fantasy we choose to play by in this thread.
Not that I'm against the idea of very powerful mortals trying to fight the gods in this thread, I think it's neat. It might even be cool to make more mechanics to try and facilitate that. I just am rejecting the idea that the gods must just exist in one particular way in general, thread or not.
but I'm a pretty passionate world builder so that is just me XD*
"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
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61, 43, 40 fire damage
Somewhere between a genius and a moron.
*Regarding the killing wills thing, it is up to world. And Arch is one of the mods, so their word is law here.*
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*sooooo rules as written right now a greater Will can immediately, instantly kill a nom greater will if they wish. But I will try and design a system for this that is fair and can allow mortals to fight them. It’s just that I don’t really have authority to change the main rules, and also I don’t know what to do yet. My current idea is system to create stats for avatars, and a mortal can’t really kill a greater Will unless they have a true artifact, but they can kill avatars. Not sure about the other way around yet, will try and figure it out. Any help is very welcome!*
*I’ll reroll, take the lower of the two for each*
20 and 22
30 and 26
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All three hit and Tosu looks surprised. He winces, looking pretty badly wounded. As an action, he’ll lay on hands himself, BA shield of faith. STR: 21
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*I think we are debating different things. We both agree that gods shouldn’t have to exist in one particular way. What I’m saying is that making the general rule of thumb being a handwave and killing people is kinda lame.*
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*I'm not sure honestly.*
"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
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*Yea I think standardizing a system for creating god avatars is a good idea. Also capping how many avatars based on your power level. *
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He swings only once (nonlethal) Attack: 31 Damage: 31 +51
“Do you yield, mortal?”
Somewhere between a genius and a moron.
*Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I get it. I think because this thread was made with the idea that we would all be roleplaying the Greater Wills, that it makes since that we can do whatever we wanted with the mortals and should only fear other Greater Wills. It gets muddied when you want to play as a mortal instead of a Greater Will.*
"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
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*okay alright yes*
*one minor thing is that i again don’t have the authority to change the main rules, so maybe the true forms of gods just stay the same because I can’t do much about that and we add rules for avatars. Alternative is if I can contact Baalz to talk about these changes, wills can only instantly kill creatures or monsters of a certain CR or lower, others they have to fight. But these will be a biiiig change so if you or anyone else could help with either of those things that would be greatly appreciated.*
Tosu grins, bleeding. “Not yet. I still got some fight in me.” He swings his weapon again, his strikes getting weaker.
Attack: 31 Damage: Unable to parse dice roll. + 17 + 14
Attack: 17 Damage: 36 + 12 + 22
STR: 30
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*But one of the fun parts of playing a god is the complicated relationship with mortals :3*
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