What do you mean by "best" and are talking single classed?
The most fun single class IMO is a Dragonborn Tempest Cleric IMO using the 2024 rules with magic initiate to get Booming Blade, Truestrike and Witchbolt.
What do you mean by "best" and are talking single classed?
The most fun single class IMO is a Dragonborn Tempest Cleric IMO using the 2024 rules with magic initiate to get Booming Blade, Truestrike and Witchbolt.
Tempest Cleric is considered legacy though and probably wouldn't be accepted in a 2024 game. Twilight Cleric, however, is the most busted Cleric subclass ever, with perks so insane it almost looks like a homebrew class. And because it belongs to expanded rules, and not PHB 2014, it's not considered legacy and is expected to work with 2024 rules. And work well it does :)
What do you mean by "best" and are talking single classed?
The most fun single class IMO is a Dragonborn Tempest Cleric IMO using the 2024 rules with magic initiate to get Booming Blade, Truestrike and Witchbolt.
Tempest Cleric is considered legacy though and probably wouldn't be accepted in a 2024 game. Twilight Cleric, however, is the most busted Cleric subclass ever, with perks so insane it almost looks like a homebrew class. And because it belongs to expanded rules, and not PHB 2014, it's not considered legacy and is expected to work with 2024 rules. And work well it does :)
I think Twilight and Tempest are both considered legacy as their subclass abilities come at 1st level. Either of them have to be changed to work in 2024.
Twlight Cleric is extremely powerful at low level but in tier 2+ it is not that OP IME and is in fact weaker at high level than a lot of Clerics IMO. The centerpiece is Twilight Sanctuary, which is the best Cleric Channel Divinity at low level, but it is not the equivalent of a 5th level spell and you are throwing those around at 9th level. As a result it tends to be a non-factor at high level, in a tough fight you are not going to waste an action on it and in an easy fight, it is an easy fight so who cares.
I think 2024 Light and 2104 Death and Tempest are all going to be better at high level than Twilight in most campaigns. I have played all of these except Light and I have seen high level Light clerics played by other players.
Nah, if you create a 2024 Cleric using this website's character creator, include expanded rules but exclude legacy content, Twilight Cleric will be available as a subclass, but not Tempest. You'll get your subclass abilities according to 2024 Cleric rules.
What do you mean by "best" and are talking single classed?
The most fun single class IMO is a Dragonborn Tempest Cleric IMO using the 2024 rules with magic initiate to get Booming Blade, Truestrike and Witchbolt.
Tempest Cleric is considered legacy though and probably wouldn't be accepted in a 2024 game. Twilight Cleric, however, is the most busted Cleric subclass ever, with perks so insane it almost looks like a homebrew class. And because it belongs to expanded rules, and not PHB 2014, it's not considered legacy and is expected to work with 2024 rules. And work well it does :)
I think Twilight and Tempest are both considered legacy as their subclass abilities come at 1st level. Either of them have to be changed to work in 2024.
Twlight Cleric is extremely powerful at low level but in tier 2+ it is not that OP IME and is in fact weaker at high level than a lot of Clerics IMO. The centerpiece is Twilight Sanctuary, which is the best Cleric Channel Divinity at low level, but it is not the equivalent of a 5th level spell and you are throwing those around at 9th level. As a result it tends to be a non-factor at high level, in a tough fight you are not going to waste an action on it and in an easy fight, it is an easy fight so who cares.
I think 2024 Light and 2104 Death and Tempest are all going to be better at high level than Twilight in most campaigns. I have played all of these except Light and I have seen high level Light clerics played by other players.
Thank you for writing this. It gave me a good laugh and really really cheered me up to read it.
Twilight clerics are possibly the strongest subclass in the entire game and their channel divinity only gets stronger as the game progresses. You're a full caster who can wear heavy armour and use shields, by level 17 you're most likely having +1/2/3 in one or both of them so your AC is off the charts. You get +2 to dex saves and AC in the twilight sanctuary from level 17 as does the rest of your party, then at 19 you take the boon of the night spirit to functionally double your hit points. You have flight from level 6.
I've been playing a twilight cleric for three years, currently level 18, and can say with absolute certainty that the twilight sanctuary has prevented a tpk on multiple occasions at all tiers of play. My AC is 24, or 26 inside the twilight sanctuary.
Saying the death domain is better is laughable. While Improved Reaper is a good feature when you can use it it's going to be nowhere as impactful as handing out 20ish temp hp to your allies every turn.
Twilight Domain was a subclass that completely upset the balance of the game. Killing a party that had a semi-competent Twilight Cleric became nearly impossible. The amount of temporary hit points they could give out to the entire party was ridiculous, to the point where I have seen several tables house-rule their abilities to make them less crazy. It was basically broken to the level that the current Conjure Minor Elementals is broken. I expect that if we get an updated version of the subclass, we will see a serous reduction of their capabilities.
That said, if you are looking for the best subclass from the new PHB, Light and Trickery are definitely the front-runners. Light makes a better support class than Life, since avoiding damage is better than healing it back in 5E. Trickery has an amazing toolbox for problem solving and mobility shenanigans , and is especially potent if your DM allows emanation spells originate from your duplicate.
What is the best cleric build?
What do you mean by "best" and are talking single classed?
The most fun single class IMO is a Dragonborn Tempest Cleric IMO using the 2024 rules with magic initiate to get Booming Blade, Truestrike and Witchbolt.
He posted this same question for every class. I played a light cleric and a life cleric, and preferred Light.
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Dude, you just say "what is the best ____ build?" For every class, and just don't even look at the forums after that. Why?
Probably collecting ideas to use in a YouTube video or something.
Tempest Cleric is considered legacy though and probably wouldn't be accepted in a 2024 game.
Twilight Cleric, however, is the most busted Cleric subclass ever, with perks so insane it almost looks like a homebrew class. And because it belongs to expanded rules, and not PHB 2014, it's not considered legacy and is expected to work with 2024 rules.
And work well it does :)
I think Twilight and Tempest are both considered legacy as their subclass abilities come at 1st level. Either of them have to be changed to work in 2024.
Twlight Cleric is extremely powerful at low level but in tier 2+ it is not that OP IME and is in fact weaker at high level than a lot of Clerics IMO. The centerpiece is Twilight Sanctuary, which is the best Cleric Channel Divinity at low level, but it is not the equivalent of a 5th level spell and you are throwing those around at 9th level. As a result it tends to be a non-factor at high level, in a tough fight you are not going to waste an action on it and in an easy fight, it is an easy fight so who cares.
I think 2024 Light and 2104 Death and Tempest are all going to be better at high level than Twilight in most campaigns. I have played all of these except Light and I have seen high level Light clerics played by other players.
Nah, if you create a 2024 Cleric using this website's character creator, include expanded rules but exclude legacy content, Twilight Cleric will be available as a subclass, but not Tempest.
You'll get your subclass abilities according to 2024 Cleric rules.
Thank you for writing this. It gave me a good laugh and really really cheered me up to read it.
Twilight clerics are possibly the strongest subclass in the entire game and their channel divinity only gets stronger as the game progresses. You're a full caster who can wear heavy armour and use shields, by level 17 you're most likely having +1/2/3 in one or both of them so your AC is off the charts. You get +2 to dex saves and AC in the twilight sanctuary from level 17 as does the rest of your party, then at 19 you take the boon of the night spirit to functionally double your hit points. You have flight from level 6.
I've been playing a twilight cleric for three years, currently level 18, and can say with absolute certainty that the twilight sanctuary has prevented a tpk on multiple occasions at all tiers of play. My AC is 24, or 26 inside the twilight sanctuary.
Saying the death domain is better is laughable. While Improved Reaper is a good feature when you can use it it's going to be nowhere as impactful as handing out 20ish temp hp to your allies every turn.
Twilight Domain was a subclass that completely upset the balance of the game. Killing a party that had a semi-competent Twilight Cleric became nearly impossible. The amount of temporary hit points they could give out to the entire party was ridiculous, to the point where I have seen several tables house-rule their abilities to make them less crazy. It was basically broken to the level that the current Conjure Minor Elementals is broken. I expect that if we get an updated version of the subclass, we will see a serous reduction of their capabilities.
That said, if you are looking for the best subclass from the new PHB, Light and Trickery are definitely the front-runners. Light makes a better support class than Life, since avoiding damage is better than healing it back in 5E. Trickery has an amazing toolbox for problem solving and mobility shenanigans , and is especially potent if your DM allows emanation spells originate from your duplicate.
Lowkey... you want Telekinetic so you can yoink enemies into spirit guardians. Well, for 2014 gameplay.
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