That's a good theory! I guess what I'm getting at is, to use a specific example, the D&D Beyond Staff do all the digital implementing / technical 'computery stuff' to get the books etc working on this website, in the character sheet etc. That is all separate to the creation process of the physical books. When someone complains they can't just simply redeem a physical for a digital copy for free, in this specific example, I'm thinking of the D&D Beyond staff that need paying for their role in overseeing the digital implementation which has nothing to do with physical creation process. If all the physical books were redeemed digitally for free, the D&D Beyond staff lose out. Then the price of everything would go up on this site to cover the financial burden that creates (£15 for Digital Dice?!?)
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"When someone complains they can't just simply redeem a physical for a digital copy for free" Well, I agree with you there - the bundle should not just be the cost of the physical book. I do think the a percentage reduction of the bundle cost over the cost of each format individually is fully justifiable though.
I feel like having physical products like the bundles that also unlock the dndbeyond content is definitely the right way to go, particularly the campain cases that unlock a particular sourcebook. I think it would be a lot better if they had some more affordable bundles, maybe something that was primarily a single sourcebook and a few related minis or creature/item cards so that it wouldn't need to cost much more than the sourcebook itself. And having these kind of bundles available in stores would be nice. Since they need to be packaged together anyway, having a single-use code in the box wouldn't be an issue.
Considering the physical books are already priced to be able to cover the cost of both the production of the books and paying the game designers, and make a significant profit for the company on top, in theory and physical product that unlocks digital content shouldn't need to cost much more than the physical books, just a bit more to help with the cost of keeping the dndbeyond site working, especially since the option to just buy digital products exists.
However, we live in a capitalist society, so they will try to make their IPs into as many separate products as possible regardless of whether their costs are covered.
The ONE THING that annoys me is the fact that if you have the hardcover, you can't get Digital.
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The ONE THING that annoys me is the fact that if you have the hardcover, you can't get Digital.
It's frustrating, but as demonstrated, there are many good reasons why this hasn't been possible for quite a while. Hopefully there will be a greater chance of Physical/Digital Bundles coming in the future (without the mess that was the rollout of the Dragonlance: Shadow of the Dragon Queen bundle).
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But other systems do it! I understand it's different products and all, but just provide a code with the books for a pdf version with water marking at this point. I don't even need the full dndbeyond application. But a discount would be nice considering WotC owns it all now. To be honest the denial of legendary bundle perks with bundles turns me off to the system.
The bundle should cost XX.the bundle should include physical, digital(DDB), and PDF.
If you have the legendary bundle it should cost YY due to discount.
If I buy the hardcover for ZZ, the price of the hardcover should be deducted from the bundle price, if I decide to purchase it later. (Same for pdf or DDB).
But other systems do it! I understand it's different products and all, but just provide a code with the books for a pdf version with water marking at this point. I don't even need the full dndbeyond application. But a discount would be nice considering WotC owns it all now. To be honest the denial of legendary bundle perks with bundles turns me off to the system.
The bundle should cost XX.the bundle should include physical, digital(DDB), and PDF.
If you have the legendary bundle it should cost YY due to discount.
If I buy the hardcover for ZZ, the price of the hardcover should be deducted from the bundle price, if I decide to purchase it later. (Same for pdf or DDB).
Something you don't understand is that DDB was until the last several months, a separate company altogether. Their license did not give them the ability to sell physical books, let alone bundles. After the acquisition, there still was no established means, though they did test it to a limited degree with the Dragonlance release.
All of that is irrelevant now probably, because of the whole OGL/6e debacle. I have zero hope they will retain this site, at least in it current form, once they release 6e next year. I have no doubt they will NOT be selling any 5e bundles, ever. I wouldn't be surprised if they did for 6e though.
I can't help but wonder if making it so that buying the physical books also got you the digital copies for free might actually encourage people to get more. I say that because I find the character builders useful, and because I don't want to buy things twice, I started LONG ago only buying classes, subclasses, and races in the digital format for when I want to make a character. Any books? Nawh. Not if they are physical objects only. The rest of the books? I glean bits and pieces from online sources, or when talking to the DM.
After all, it lets me have functional characters, and gets me what I need. I can't help but think I'm not alone in this. And the blatant commercialization still leaves a sour taste in my mouth, which only reinforces my not buying anything else.
After the recent fiasco, I would think that the company might actually want to seriously do something about addressing their image, and I would think that making it so that people who bought physical books also got the digital assets would help with that.
The physical digital bundles really don't address this. Books have to be printed, reproduced. But you can get keys from the golden vault for $35, or a bundle for $60. Considering just how inexpensive the digital assets are, charging for them as if you were having to print and distribute them just still turns me off. I'd rather just keep making sure that I can make a character when I want to, and ignoring the official content otherwise.
2) The DDB staff intentionally pinned messages with inaccurate information for months.
3) The DDB staff tried to silence posters who identified this behavior by deleting posts and threatening forum bans.
There is no reason to have any faith in anyone paid by Hasbro/WotC until they give us one. I'm not holding my breath.
1. Several can be more than three.
2. You must have never worked. You either do as you are told, or find employment elsewhere. DDB was owned by WotC at this point.
3. Refer to #2 above.
I'm not making excuses for them, so don't be adversarial with me on this.
I am not sure why you are being so aggressive and hostile. Please act in an appropriate manner in the future.
D&D Beyond was part of WotC and had false information about their ownership, communications, and costs. This was then exacerbated by WotC's feelings towards the OGL and its customers. It is a pattern and a shame. You are 100% making excuses for them. I am not your adversary and I am sorry you feel that I am. I simply disagree with your opinion.
I am employed and quite successful in my field. Thank you for your concern!
2) The DDB staff intentionally pinned messages with inaccurate information for months.
3) The DDB staff tried to silence posters who identified this behavior by deleting posts and threatening forum bans.
There is no reason to have any faith in anyone paid by Hasbro/WotC until they give us one. I'm not holding my breath.
1. Several can be more than three.
2. You must have never worked. You either do as you are told, or find employment elsewhere. DDB was owned by WotC at this point.
3. Refer to #2 above.
I'm not making excuses for them, so don't be adversarial with me on this.
I am not sure why you are being so aggressive and hostile. Please act in an appropriate manner in the future.
D&D Beyond was part of WotC and had false information about their ownership, communications, and costs. This was then exacerbated by WotC's feelings towards the OGL and its customers. It is a pattern and a shame. You are 100% making excuses for them. I am not your adversary and I am sorry you feel that I am. I simply disagree with your opinion.
I am employed and quite successful in my field. Thank you for your concern!
*extends olive branch*
Sorry you thought I was being hostile. I can assure that was NOT hostile. Just so you understand, because what it seems you are saying, that DDB was always at least partly owned by WotC, you are 100% incorrect. Not making excuses for them. You can look this up and fact check it yourself. They were owned by CURSE, which if memory serves, is a subsidiary of Amazon. Anyways, have a good one.
Depend on how you define "a lot". WotC acquisition of D&D Beyond was May 2022. This is 9 months and change. "Several" means "more than two but less than many" but "many" is also very undetermined. It is common to use "several" as somewhere in a range of a few (3) and a dozen (12). So, depending on your cultural variance of the word "several" may be directly correct or "slightly less" than the actual amount of months.
In other words this is a rather odd point to make in a contentious manner, given that the word has a vague definition.
2) The DDB staff intentionally pinned messages with inaccurate information for months.
Can you detail what inaccurate information was pinned - seems weird I missed that on a site I visit multiple times a day. And how do you know it was intentional?
3) The DDB staff tried to silence posters who identified this behavior by deleting posts and threatening forum bans.
Seems more like people were stopped from trying to stir up trouble more than anything. I have seen instances where mods or staff post something that turned out to be inaccurate, it got pointed out, they corrected themselves and thanked the person who did the pointing out. I've seen people speak against WotC over this and no secret deletions or anything. I see no evidence of this conspiracy. I have witnessed people trying to correct staff with made-up stuff, get deleted, then whine about it which also got deleted. Thats not a conspiracy, it's people trying to deliberately cause unjustified drama, get shut down, and throw a tantrum over it - which is also against the rules and removed.
I'm on here more often than most mods or staff and see a lot of stuff before they get removed. So far I have not seen any that were deleted that shouldn't have been.
There is no reason to have any faith in anyone paid by Hasbro/WotC until they give us one. I'm not holding my breath.
And what "faith" needs to be given (although this defeats the point of faith, I think you mean trust, not faith)?
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"I am not sure why you are being so aggressive and hostile. Please act in an appropriate manner in the future."
They were not being hostile or aggressive to you at all. It's puzzling to me how you could have interpreted it as such.
"D&D Beyond was part of WotC and had false information about their ownership"
What falsehoods? The announcement of the intent to buy D&D Beyond was made over a month in advance and confirmed when it was finalised. They were clear and open about it. There were posts and social media and Q+As and statements. What was false?
"This was then exacerbated by WotC's feelings towards the OGL and its customers. "
I dunno what is meant by "this was then exacerbated" as I contend this notion of false information being given about ownership. But, aye, I think we can all agree the OGL debacle was an absolute shit-show and, quite understandably, broke a lot of trust between WotC and the D&D community. Although I'm not in the "get the pitchforks" crowd - just a greedy company being greedy. It was disappointing but not world-shattering. But anyway, I feel like I'm digressing. Just saying I agree, to some extent.
"You are 100% making excuses for them"
No, they're not. You're not just posting opinions you're also making statements and definitions that do not make sense, so they get questioned and responded to.
" I simply disagree with your opinion."
Opinions and excuses are not the same things. So, are they opinions or are they excuses? The answer is "some opinions, some facts and zero excuses". But I mention this because this is why you are coming across as adversarial. You're saying they are making excuses and then saying they're just opinions. Between this, the unfounded claims, telling somebody they're being aggressive and hostile when they aren't being such at all... Yeah, you're coming across as quite adversarial and a little insulting, not gonna lie. Now, don't get me wrong, a little bit adversarial can be good for discourse - keeps the back and forth up, makes ya think, it can be spiffy. I mean, my response to you could be seen as a bit adversarial as I am challenging what you state, disagreeing with you and being a bit direct with the quote-response-quote-response method. Hopefully, you can see I'm only doing that for clarifying context and it's only a little adversarial - conversationally so. But some of what you are saying does, hopefully unintentionally, come across as a little too adversarial and a teensy-bit offensive. Just a smidge.
"I am employed and quite successful in my field. "
While I cannot speak for Doranur, I believe the comment about you not working is because you seem to be overly miffed at "staff" as if they're being all nefarious and deliberate. Even if they were making these inaccurate claims and disappearing posts - they would be doing so as ordered as employees. As an employee yourself, then, you should know that when people are faced with "do this or be fired" most choose "do this". Anyone who has the freedom to choose "be fired" are in a very privileged circumstance. For instance, if my boss asked me to do something I don't agree with, I would probably do it rather than just refuse and get fired. It would have to be something massively extreme (and no, pissing off players of a game would not be enough). Because losing my job means being unable to pay rent - in a place where a new job to earn enough is very hard to get - so I lose my home. Losing my home and job at the same time - for a second time in my life - due to circumstances beyond my control... Yeah that is gonna break me, mentally. I'm still not recovered from my last mental health breakdown. There is a chance I'd end up worse than just 'needing observation'.
So, maybe realise that the "staff" you seem to imply as being all wrong/cover-uppy, might not really have had a choice. Like most people - being fired can have some severe consequences. Not everyone has the luxury of being able to just easily get another job.
So, maybe, better to question the bosses, rather than the employees who are probably just doing what they're told so they can have a home and a hot meal. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Isn’t there a way to simply redeem a code found within the Hardcover Book?
Whilst it seems a fairly simple request, there are some complications. Here’s the main ones as to why it will be unlikely to be implemented:
Putting codes in books requires sealing books which deters sales as people like to look through books in stores (less of a thing now, but is still a consideration)
Not sealing books means people can just snapshot the codes and redeem without purchase (this is a problem that plagued Nintendo Club back in the GameCube and Wii era; people would just write down the codes in the game cases and redeem them)
Printing codes in books increases printing costs (you need a two stage system)
Point of Sale code verification systems have an overhead that smaller gaming stores can't afford
Point of Sale coupons are insecure and can be trivially stolen (interesting factlet; this is why Subway moved over to an app, their stamps were being stolen by the fist full and costing the company hundreds of thousands of dollars)
As per the Disclaimers above however, it appears there is some headway towards supplying a code for a Physical/Digital Bundle. Please see the relevant sections for details.
The map is surely already a two stage process? Put the code in the back of the book where the map section is. It has a perforated tear you couldn't just snap shot that without physically ripping it.
Isn’t there a way to simply redeem a code found within the Hardcover Book?
Whilst it seems a fairly simple request, there are some complications. Here’s the main ones as to why it will be unlikely to be implemented:
Putting codes in books requires sealing books which deters sales as people like to look through books in stores (less of a thing now, but is still a consideration)
Not sealing books means people can just snapshot the codes and redeem without purchase (this is a problem that plagued Nintendo Club back in the GameCube and Wii era; people would just write down the codes in the game cases and redeem them)
Printing codes in books increases printing costs (you need a two stage system)
Point of Sale code verification systems have an overhead that smaller gaming stores can't afford
Point of Sale coupons are insecure and can be trivially stolen (interesting factlet; this is why Subway moved over to an app, their stamps were being stolen by the fist full and costing the company hundreds of thousands of dollars)
As per the Disclaimers above however, it appears there is some headway towards supplying a code for a Physical/Digital Bundle. Please see the relevant sections for details.
The map is surely already a two stage process? Put the code in the back of the book where the map section is. It has a perforated tear you couldn't just snap shot that without physically ripping it.
If you want both the digital and physical products, you have to buy both separately. Alternatively, you can buy the digital-physical bundle directly from Wizards' website.
Basically, you cannot buy two products and expect to pay for it for the price of one. It costs money to print the books. It costs money to maintain the website.
Marketing 101.... That would be nice if you had both options.
How about this as a compromise. If there are collectible editions of a book, wouldn't it be nice to offer a digital copy as a bonus for spending the extra dough for buying a nice cover and extra material. I would add this to the collectible - special - editions of the books. You saying Wizard of the Coast can't do that, even if it was a say a limited run?
Marketing 101.... That would be nice if you had both options.
How about this as a compromise. If there are collectible editions of a book, wouldn't it be nice to offer a digital copy as a bonus for spending the extra dough for buying a nice cover and extra material. I would add this to the collectible - special - editions of the books. You saying Wizard of the Coast can't do that, even if it was a say a limited run?
While that would be nice, there is already a compromise. You have to buy the physical-digital bundle directly from Wizards' website. Wizards have been dragging their feet for years over the physical-digital bundle, so I highly doubt they are interested in doing any other compromises where they make less money.
If I buy the D&D Core Rulebook Gift Set Digital + Physical Bundle, will I still get the money credit for the digital copies if I decide to purchase a bundle of digital only content later? For example, I may eventually want all the source books which is currently in a bundle. Currently, I can buy those 3 books digitally for $90 and physically for $80. I know if I do that, I'll get the $90 credit according to this site. If I buy the bundle, it's $170 so the same price, but not if I don't get the $90 credit towards the source book bundle. Thanks.
I think it is a lost opportunity not including an online product key with the special edition manuals and books. I love to enjoy premium products when available but I will not buy a second copy of a book after already buying a digital version. Isn't that what the bundle was supposed to fix in the first place? I am glad they started the bundles but I really wish they would include it with the alt covers or premium book versions as well.
The alt covers are supposed to be helping LGS by allowing them to sell something exclusive, however, now players are forced to choose between a premium book copy or buying the regular book with the option to add on the digital version but frankly I don't find that fair. Please, don't get me wrong. I am extremely happy these bundles exist, I just think they need to take it a small step further and also have an options to get a digital copy included with the premium copy purchased at an LGS. I can't be the only one who feels this way, can I?
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That's a good theory! I guess what I'm getting at is, to use a specific example, the D&D Beyond Staff do all the digital implementing / technical 'computery stuff' to get the books etc working on this website, in the character sheet etc. That is all separate to the creation process of the physical books. When someone complains they can't just simply redeem a physical for a digital copy for free, in this specific example, I'm thinking of the D&D Beyond staff that need paying for their role in overseeing the digital implementation which has nothing to do with physical creation process. If all the physical books were redeemed digitally for free, the D&D Beyond staff lose out. Then the price of everything would go up on this site to cover the financial burden that creates (£15 for Digital Dice?!?)
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"When someone complains they can't just simply redeem a physical for a digital copy for free"
Well, I agree with you there - the bundle should not just be the cost of the physical book. I do think the a percentage reduction of the bundle cost over the cost of each format individually is fully justifiable though.
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Thanks.
I feel like having physical products like the bundles that also unlock the dndbeyond content is definitely the right way to go, particularly the campain cases that unlock a particular sourcebook. I think it would be a lot better if they had some more affordable bundles, maybe something that was primarily a single sourcebook and a few related minis or creature/item cards so that it wouldn't need to cost much more than the sourcebook itself. And having these kind of bundles available in stores would be nice. Since they need to be packaged together anyway, having a single-use code in the box wouldn't be an issue.
Considering the physical books are already priced to be able to cover the cost of both the production of the books and paying the game designers, and make a significant profit for the company on top, in theory and physical product that unlocks digital content shouldn't need to cost much more than the physical books, just a bit more to help with the cost of keeping the dndbeyond site working, especially since the option to just buy digital products exists.
However, we live in a capitalist society, so they will try to make their IPs into as many separate products as possible regardless of whether their costs are covered.
The ONE THING that annoys me is the fact that if you have the hardcover, you can't get Digital.
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It's frustrating, but as demonstrated, there are many good reasons why this hasn't been possible for quite a while. Hopefully there will be a greater chance of Physical/Digital Bundles coming in the future (without the mess that was the rollout of the Dragonlance: Shadow of the Dragon Queen bundle).
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But other systems do it! I understand it's different products and all, but just provide a code with the books for a pdf version with water marking at this point. I don't even need the full dndbeyond application. But a discount would be nice considering WotC owns it all now. To be honest the denial of legendary bundle perks with bundles turns me off to the system.
The bundle should cost XX.the bundle should include physical, digital(DDB), and PDF.
If you have the legendary bundle it should cost YY due to discount.
If I buy the hardcover for ZZ, the price of the hardcover should be deducted from the bundle price, if I decide to purchase it later. (Same for pdf or DDB).
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Something you don't understand is that DDB was until the last several months, a separate company altogether. Their license did not give them the ability to sell physical books, let alone bundles. After the acquisition, there still was no established means, though they did test it to a limited degree with the Dragonlance release.
All of that is irrelevant now probably, because of the whole OGL/6e debacle. I have zero hope they will retain this site, at least in it current form, once they release 6e next year. I have no doubt they will NOT be selling any 5e bundles, ever. I wouldn't be surprised if they did for 6e though.
1) It was a lot longer than several (3) months
2) The DDB staff intentionally pinned messages with inaccurate information for months.
3) The DDB staff tried to silence posters who identified this behavior by deleting posts and threatening forum bans.
There is no reason to have any faith in anyone paid by Hasbro/WotC until they give us one. I'm not holding my breath.
1. Several can be more than three.
2. You must have never worked. You either do as you are told, or find employment elsewhere. DDB was owned by WotC at this point.
3. Refer to #2 above.
I'm not making excuses for them, so don't be adversarial with me on this.
I can't help but wonder if making it so that buying the physical books also got you the digital copies for free might actually encourage people to get more. I say that because I find the character builders useful, and because I don't want to buy things twice, I started LONG ago only buying classes, subclasses, and races in the digital format for when I want to make a character. Any books? Nawh. Not if they are physical objects only. The rest of the books? I glean bits and pieces from online sources, or when talking to the DM.
After all, it lets me have functional characters, and gets me what I need. I can't help but think I'm not alone in this. And the blatant commercialization still leaves a sour taste in my mouth, which only reinforces my not buying anything else.
After the recent fiasco, I would think that the company might actually want to seriously do something about addressing their image, and I would think that making it so that people who bought physical books also got the digital assets would help with that.
The physical digital bundles really don't address this. Books have to be printed, reproduced. But you can get keys from the golden vault for $35, or a bundle for $60. Considering just how inexpensive the digital assets are, charging for them as if you were having to print and distribute them just still turns me off. I'd rather just keep making sure that I can make a character when I want to, and ignoring the official content otherwise.
I am not sure why you are being so aggressive and hostile. Please act in an appropriate manner in the future.
D&D Beyond was part of WotC and had false information about their ownership, communications, and costs. This was then exacerbated by WotC's feelings towards the OGL and its customers. It is a pattern and a shame. You are 100% making excuses for them. I am not your adversary and I am sorry you feel that I am. I simply disagree with your opinion.
I am employed and quite successful in my field. Thank you for your concern!
*extends olive branch*
Sorry you thought I was being hostile. I can assure that was NOT hostile. Just so you understand, because what it seems you are saying, that DDB was always at least partly owned by WotC, you are 100% incorrect. Not making excuses for them. You can look this up and fact check it yourself. They were owned by CURSE, which if memory serves, is a subsidiary of Amazon. Anyways, have a good one.
Depend on how you define "a lot". WotC acquisition of D&D Beyond was May 2022. This is 9 months and change. "Several" means "more than two but less than many" but "many" is also very undetermined. It is common to use "several" as somewhere in a range of a few (3) and a dozen (12). So, depending on your cultural variance of the word "several" may be directly correct or "slightly less" than the actual amount of months.
In other words this is a rather odd point to make in a contentious manner, given that the word has a vague definition.
Can you detail what inaccurate information was pinned - seems weird I missed that on a site I visit multiple times a day. And how do you know it was intentional?
Seems more like people were stopped from trying to stir up trouble more than anything. I have seen instances where mods or staff post something that turned out to be inaccurate, it got pointed out, they corrected themselves and thanked the person who did the pointing out. I've seen people speak against WotC over this and no secret deletions or anything. I see no evidence of this conspiracy. I have witnessed people trying to correct staff with made-up stuff, get deleted, then whine about it which also got deleted. Thats not a conspiracy, it's people trying to deliberately cause unjustified drama, get shut down, and throw a tantrum over it - which is also against the rules and removed.
I'm on here more often than most mods or staff and see a lot of stuff before they get removed. So far I have not seen any that were deleted that shouldn't have been.
And what "faith" needs to be given (although this defeats the point of faith, I think you mean trust, not faith)?
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"I am not sure why you are being so aggressive and hostile. Please act in an appropriate manner in the future."
They were not being hostile or aggressive to you at all. It's puzzling to me how you could have interpreted it as such.
"D&D Beyond was part of WotC and had false information about their ownership"
What falsehoods? The announcement of the intent to buy D&D Beyond was made over a month in advance and confirmed when it was finalised. They were clear and open about it. There were posts and social media and Q+As and statements. What was false?
"This was then exacerbated by WotC's feelings towards the OGL and its customers. "
I dunno what is meant by "this was then exacerbated" as I contend this notion of false information being given about ownership. But, aye, I think we can all agree the OGL debacle was an absolute shit-show and, quite understandably, broke a lot of trust between WotC and the D&D community. Although I'm not in the "get the pitchforks" crowd - just a greedy company being greedy. It was disappointing but not world-shattering. But anyway, I feel like I'm digressing. Just saying I agree, to some extent.
"You are 100% making excuses for them"
No, they're not. You're not just posting opinions you're also making statements and definitions that do not make sense, so they get questioned and responded to.
" I simply disagree with your opinion."
Opinions and excuses are not the same things. So, are they opinions or are they excuses? The answer is "some opinions, some facts and zero excuses". But I mention this because this is why you are coming across as adversarial. You're saying they are making excuses and then saying they're just opinions. Between this, the unfounded claims, telling somebody they're being aggressive and hostile when they aren't being such at all... Yeah, you're coming across as quite adversarial and a little insulting, not gonna lie. Now, don't get me wrong, a little bit adversarial can be good for discourse - keeps the back and forth up, makes ya think, it can be spiffy. I mean, my response to you could be seen as a bit adversarial as I am challenging what you state, disagreeing with you and being a bit direct with the quote-response-quote-response method. Hopefully, you can see I'm only doing that for clarifying context and it's only a little adversarial - conversationally so. But some of what you are saying does, hopefully unintentionally, come across as a little too adversarial and a teensy-bit offensive. Just a smidge.
"I am employed and quite successful in my field. "
While I cannot speak for Doranur, I believe the comment about you not working is because you seem to be overly miffed at "staff" as if they're being all nefarious and deliberate. Even if they were making these inaccurate claims and disappearing posts - they would be doing so as ordered as employees. As an employee yourself, then, you should know that when people are faced with "do this or be fired" most choose "do this". Anyone who has the freedom to choose "be fired" are in a very privileged circumstance. For instance, if my boss asked me to do something I don't agree with, I would probably do it rather than just refuse and get fired. It would have to be something massively extreme (and no, pissing off players of a game would not be enough). Because losing my job means being unable to pay rent - in a place where a new job to earn enough is very hard to get - so I lose my home. Losing my home and job at the same time - for a second time in my life - due to circumstances beyond my control... Yeah that is gonna break me, mentally. I'm still not recovered from my last mental health breakdown. There is a chance I'd end up worse than just 'needing observation'.
So, maybe realise that the "staff" you seem to imply as being all wrong/cover-uppy, might not really have had a choice. Like most people - being fired can have some severe consequences. Not everyone has the luxury of being able to just easily get another job.
So, maybe, better to question the bosses, rather than the employees who are probably just doing what they're told so they can have a home and a hot meal. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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The map is surely already a two stage process?
Put the code in the back of the book where the map section is. It has a perforated tear you couldn't just snap shot that without physically ripping it.
If you want both the digital and physical products, you have to buy both separately. Alternatively, you can buy the digital-physical bundle directly from Wizards' website.
Basically, you cannot buy two products and expect to pay for it for the price of one. It costs money to print the books. It costs money to maintain the website.
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Marketing 101.... That would be nice if you had both options.
How about this as a compromise. If there are collectible editions of a book, wouldn't it be nice to offer a digital copy as a bonus for spending the extra dough for buying a nice cover and extra material. I would add this to the collectible - special - editions of the books. You saying Wizard of the Coast can't do that, even if it was a say a limited run?
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While that would be nice, there is already a compromise. You have to buy the physical-digital bundle directly from Wizards' website. Wizards have been dragging their feet for years over the physical-digital bundle, so I highly doubt they are interested in doing any other compromises where they make less money.
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If I buy the D&D Core Rulebook Gift Set Digital + Physical Bundle, will I still get the money credit for the digital copies if I decide to purchase a bundle of digital only content later? For example, I may eventually want all the source books which is currently in a bundle. Currently, I can buy those 3 books digitally for $90 and physically for $80. I know if I do that, I'll get the $90 credit according to this site. If I buy the bundle, it's $170 so the same price, but not if I don't get the $90 credit towards the source book bundle. Thanks.
I think it is a lost opportunity not including an online product key with the special edition manuals and books. I love to enjoy premium products when available but I will not buy a second copy of a book after already buying a digital version. Isn't that what the bundle was supposed to fix in the first place? I am glad they started the bundles but I really wish they would include it with the alt covers or premium book versions as well.
The alt covers are supposed to be helping LGS by allowing them to sell something exclusive, however, now players are forced to choose between a premium book copy or buying the regular book with the option to add on the digital version but frankly I don't find that fair. Please, don't get me wrong. I am extremely happy these bundles exist, I just think they need to take it a small step further and also have an options to get a digital copy included with the premium copy purchased at an LGS. I can't be the only one who feels this way, can I?