When you toss out 300 hundreds and hope something happens, that is called gambling. I am not a big gambler. I would like this to be defined please.
This is a risk management problem, not a gambling problem. Gambling is a zero-sum game where the odds are against you.
If you think of this as a decision problem, this is in my opinion a non-issue. If the Legendary Bundle has value to you today, you're never worse off buying it now than waiting.
If you buy it today and every future book is worth buying, you're no worse off money-wise than buying it later (you spend the same money.)
If you buy it today and not every future book is worth buying, you're better off buying it now. You get the current books you want at a discount, as well as the future subset you wanted at a discount.
If you buy it today and 5 years later 6e comes out...
If the 6e books are included, you're better off than 6e newcomers who'd have to get all the 5e books as well for the discount.
If the 6e books aren't included, but there's a separate Legendary Bundle for 6e, it's no different to you than if they were in the 5e bundle (you're still getting a discount.)
If there's no discount at all for the 6e books, that doesn't diminish the value you got out of the Legendary Bundle.
If you're already contemplating buying the bundle, the only time that'd backfire is if 6e is right around the corner AND it's so radically different from 5e that the 5e books become unusuable. Both of those are unlikely.
5th edition has been more successful than every previous edition and "2017 was D&D's most successful year" in roughly 20 years. A big part of that success has been the emphasis on public playtesting to ensure whatever gets published is something that players want. If they decided to make 6e, it'd make the most business sense to follow the same approach. That means 6e is at least 4 years off, since they usually have 1 year's worth of books in the queue (they're already working on the next) and it took roughly 3 years to playtest 5e (look at how long they're taking with the Artificer, Mystic and Revised Ranger.)
But, it's also unlikely they'd want to start 6e any time soon. Look at these tweets from Mearls:
If I were a gambling man, I'd bet 6e wouldn't hit shelves for at least 6-7 years (with the playtesting time factored in). And even then, you'd expect 6e to turn out similar to 5e. Mearls has even said if 6th edition happens, he'd want "seamless backwards compatibility".
I wish we could down-vote threads sometimes. Honestly, 5e has been out 3 years and you're worrying about 6th edition? What's wrong with 5th?!?!?!
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I wish we could down-vote threads sometimes. Honestly, 5e has been out 3 years and you're worrying about 6th edition? What's wrong with 5th?!?!?!
Dungeons & Dragons version 3.0 was released in 2000, 3.5 was released in June 2003, 4th edition in June 2008. A 5th edition was released during the second half of 2014.
Looks like 6 should be on the market in a couple years, maybe 3-4. Maybe instead of down-voting you should considers other to have validity in their concerns without dismissing them so quickly.
And just like 3.5 doesn't let you play 4e and 4e doesn't let you play 5e, you shouldn't expect 5e to let you play 6e whenever it happens.
No one is asserting that. The quote
"Purchasing this bundle unlocks every official digital content product available for D&D Beyond.
This includes the Player’s Handbook, Dungeon Master’s Guide, Monster Manual, Sword Coast Adventurer’s Guide, Volo’s Guide to Monsters, and Xanathar's Guide to Everything sourcebooks, as well as the Lost Mine of Phandelver, Hoard of the Dragon Queen, Rise of Tiamat, Princes of the Apocalypse, Out of the Abyss, Curse of Strahd, Storm King’s Thunder, Tales from the Yawning Portal, and Tomb of Annihilation adventures and the Tortle Package.
Purchasing the Legendary Bundle also secures a 15% discount off standard pricing for all future digital content product purchases. You will automatically receive this discount for each new release."
Is seemingly edition free. Just in context of "D&D Beyond" Which I would assume DND 6th edition would not be part of "Beyond" and would be called something else, otherwise the discount would apply it. Which would also imply that in 4-5 years when 6th comps out Beyond may no longer be a thing and unusable.
Dungeons & Dragons version 3.0 was released in 2000, 3.5 was released in June 2003, 4th edition in June 2008. A 5th edition was released during the second half of 2014.
Looks like 6 should be on the market in a couple years, maybe 3-4. Maybe instead of down-voting you should considers other to have validity in their concerns without dismissing them so quickly.
And 1st edition came out over the span of 3 years, 1977-1979, and 2nd edition released in 1989. While the Dungeons & Dragons game saw different edition releases in 1974, 1977, 1981, and 1983. So it looks like judging how long until a new edition comes out by how long it was between previous edition releases is not a solid metric to use.
So while your concerns will have validity upon the time that 6th edition is actually on the horizon, being concern about it today doesn't make all that much sense. It's like planning the details of your first vacation to Mars - yeah, you don't want to just wing it when the day comes, but there is also so much time between now and that currently-hypothetical future day that anything more than a mild wondering is wasted effort and energy.
Dungeons & Dragons version 3.0 was released in 2000, 3.5 was released in June 2003, 4th edition in June 2008. A 5th edition was released during the second half of 2014.
Looks like 6 should be on the market in a couple years, maybe 3-4. Maybe instead of down-voting you should considers other to have validity in their concerns without dismissing them so quickly.
And 1st edition came out over the span of 3 years, 1977-1979, and 2nd edition released in 1989. While the Dungeons & Dragons game saw different edition releases in 1974, 1977, 1981, and 1983. So it looks like judging how long until a new edition comes out by how long it was between previous edition releases is not a solid metric to use.
So while your concerns will have validity upon the time that 6th edition is actually on the horizon, being concern about it today doesn't make all that much sense. It's like planning the details of your first vacation to Mars - yeah, you don't want to just wing it when the day comes, but there is also so much time between now and that currently-hypothetical future day that anything more than a mild wondering is wasted effort and energy.
Consumerism is a little different now though post 90's. We have been conditioned greatly to constantly upgrade. Buying a car every 3-5 years when DnD came out was unheard of, now very common. How many phones have you had in the past 10 years? Anyways, not to chase that rabbit, all I am saying is in the past 17 years we've 4 editions if you call 3.5 an edition.
If I spend 300 dollars on something that says "Purchasing the Legendary Bundle also secures a 15% discount off standard pricing for all future digital content product purchases" I feel like I should have a more defined purchasing agreement. After all it does say "ALLfuture digital content product purchases."
Dungeons & Dragons version 3.0 was released in 2000, 3.5 was released in June 2003, 4th edition in June 2008. A 5th edition was released during the second half of 2014.
Looks like 6 should be on the market in a couple years, maybe 3-4. Maybe instead of down-voting you should considers other to have validity in their concerns without dismissing them so quickly.
And 1st edition came out over the span of 3 years, 1977-1979, and 2nd edition released in 1989. While the Dungeons & Dragons game saw different edition releases in 1974, 1977, 1981, and 1983. So it looks like judging how long until a new edition comes out by how long it was between previous edition releases is not a solid metric to use.
So while your concerns will have validity upon the time that 6th edition is actually on the horizon, being concern about it today doesn't make all that much sense. It's like planning the details of your first vacation to Mars - yeah, you don't want to just wing it when the day comes, but there is also so much time between now and that currently-hypothetical future day that anything more than a mild wondering is wasted effort and energy.
Consumerism is a little different now though post 90's. We have been conditioned greatly to constantly upgrade. Buying a car every 3-5 years when DnD came out was unheard of, now very common. How many phones have you had in the past 10 years? Anyways, not to chase that rabbit, all I am saying is in the past 17 years we've 4 editions if you call 3.5 an edition.
If I spend 300 dollars on something that says "Purchasing the Legendary Bundle also secures a 15% discount off standard pricing for all future digital content product purchases" I feel like I should have a more defined purchasing agreement. After all it does say "ALLfuture digital content product purchases."
I shouldn't be the bad guy here.
you're not the badguy, just understand that by using their service, you agree that they can change the deal whenever they want. It doesn't even have to be a new edition for them to remove that deal. It's in the ToS
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I asked badeye a similar question when I first became a mod. His answer to me was, "What makes you think we won't be the ones creating 6th edition?" D&D Beyond is more than another partner with WotC in some ways because of the relationship they're fostering with the decision-makers in the business. I'd say there's nothing to worry about, but that's my opinion based on being a little closer to the decision makers than you are. It's understandable to be skeptical, as spending that kind of money on a product with no physical return will always be a risk. But it's a risk a lot of people are willing to take, which I think is pretty cool. So far D&D Beyond has lowered the price of the product, not just here but all around the digital market. I don't see this trend ending. I'm confidant that when 6th edition comes out, whether soon or far in the future, Badeye will be at the forefront trying to get the edition into the consumers hands, at the cheapest price they'll allow, just as he is now.
How many phones have you had in the past 10 years?
I'm not saying you don't have a point, but maybe your point isn't quite as universal as you think, because the answer to this specific question you chose to illustrate your point is 3.
I, like many people I know, don't just turn around and upgrade my phone because some company released a new model. I get a new phone when the one I have has started to actually wear out (example: phone number 1 got replaced when the hinge in it began to loosen and wiggle and make the phone not stay closed, and phone number 2 got replaced because I dropped it and had enough spare funds on hand to get a shiny new phone instead of just repairing the damage done, and I've had that 3rd phone for about 5 years so far).
Also, it's not "very common" that people buy a car every 3-5 years... at least not unless you are meaning either leasing a new car every 3-5 years, or buying a used car every 3-5 years. Very few people can afford to finance another $20,000+ dollars every few years just because they feel like they are "supposed" to upgrade frequently.
Are we already so jaded and weary of 5th Edition that we need/want a 6th edition? My real point is, why are we even talking about 6th edition?!?! Given how much work went in to getting 5th edition just right in conjunction with the community, I'd like to think that there won't be a 6th edition in the same way there were previous editions.
3rd edition radically changed D&D. 4th edition radically changed it again. 5th edition radically changed it again, but so far it seems like the majority of players are finally happy with this amazing edition of D&D.
If anything, I imagine in 2 or 3 years we might see more rule books like XGtE that provide new options for the existing rule set, as well as more amazing, and original adventures, and more options for streamlined online play.
Really, what is it you think needs to be changed so badly in 5e that you are already wanting a 6e? And if you don't think anything radical needs to be changed to warrant a 6e, why even ask?
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"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
Really, what is it you think needs to be changed so badly in 5e that you are already wanting a 6e? And if you don't think anything radical needs to be changed to warrant a 6e, why even ask?
I'm not really a fan of the retro-fitted spell system that 5e decided to go with. It's always been a pain to explain to new players (and even some older ones) that they basically need to check a chart to figure out what level spells they can cast as a certain level character because the spell levels go from one to nine and the class levels go up to around twenty. Fourth edition had a much cleaner system where you got a variety of spells to choose from every(ish) level and depending on those spells power levels, you could cast them a certain number of times per day. You wanted more power; you got to cast less spells (At-Will vs. Encounter vs. Daily). Now, maybe WotC went a little too far in that direction for some people by presenting the system in a less flavorful manner, but I'd much rather see that sort of spell system in my D&D than what we have now, which is a relic from much older times when game design was just beginning.
In short, I want to be able to answer the question, "I'm a 7th level spell caster, so what level of spells can I cast?" with "Obviously, you can cast 7th level spells." I'm totally okay with the new version of spell scaling by casting it at a higher levels that 5th Ed added. In fact, I feel that sort of design would only enhance the sort of spell system I would like to see.
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Nowhere did he say he was wanting a 6e, he was just saying he sees one coming, perhaps sooner than others think. I too have had this feeling, yes there was a long time between 2 an 3, but as stated, the time between 3, 3.5, 4, and 5 was not so great, and continuing the most recent trend, it isn't farfetched to think a 6th edition is on the horizon (3-6 years away perhaps). Speculating that in no way means that I want it to happen, it just means that I think it can happen.
I think it's a good question to ask, and the answer is not clear and likely won't be made clear/definitive until/if a 6th edition comes out. Let's hope that's a long ways off, but if it isn't, I wouldn't count on a discount purchased now being effective on the new edition. I would think the ToS would change and state that these discounts will continue for new products related to 5e, and there would be a similar, separate discount made available for 6e. Perhaps if enough people request it, those who bought the LB for 5e might get an extra % off the LB for 6e for a limited time as a "starter" sale, but I wouldn't expect much more than that.
This is all speculation, but the thread isn't about the OP wanting 6e to come out, it's about the realization that it might exist within the next "few" years (however you want to define that), and how would that affect the purchase he could make today.
Nowhere did he say he was wanting a 6e, he was just saying he sees one coming, perhaps sooner than others think. I too have had this feeling, yes there was a long time between 2 an 3, but as stated, the time between 3, 3.5, 4, and 5 was not so great, and continuing the most recent trend, it isn't farfetched to think a 6th edition is on the horizon (3-6 years away perhaps). Speculating that in no way means that I want it to happen, it just means that I think it can happen.
I think it's a good question to ask, and the answer is not clear and likely won't be made clear/definitive until/if a 6th edition comes out. Let's hope that's a long ways off, but if it isn't, I wouldn't count on a discount purchased now being effective on the new edition. I would think the ToS would change and state that these discounts will continue for new products related to 5e, and there would be a similar, separate discount made available for 6e. Perhaps if enough people request it, those who bought the LB for 5e might get an extra % off the LB for 6e for a limited time as a "starter" sale, but I wouldn't expect much more than that.
This is all speculation, but the thread isn't about the OP wanting 6e to come out, it's about the realization that it might exist within the next "few" years (however you want to define that), and how would that affect the purchase he could make today.
I think no one thinks he is asking for a 6th edition, at lest that is not the impression I had. My problem with his reasoning is that I cannot really see how the inclusion or not of 6th edition in such a discount can variate his purchase or not of the legendary bundle.
What I mean to say is as simple as: is all the content included in the bundle interesting for you? would you benefit from having all the books that have been out so far? For myself, the reply to both those questions is no, because I do not plan on running all the published adventures, nor I am interested in having access to them at this point. The 15% discount is indeed a sweet deal, but what should be at the core of a choice like this is the effective personal usefulness of the contents of the bundle.
This is all in my opinion, obviously and I think Metamongoose first reply is the one that best represent what is most probably going to happen. I seriously fail to see how something like a roleplaying game, and an offer that basically lets you have all of what has come out plus a discount, should be seen as anything more than a deal, rather than a economical investment into the future that hangs on the 15% discount applying also to a future edition that we have no idea how it will be distributed and even less when.
(again this is all religiously in my opinion)
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Really, what is it you think needs to be changed so badly in 5e that you are already wanting a 6e? And if you don't think anything radical needs to be changed to warrant a 6e, why even ask?
I'm not really a fan of the retro-fitted spell system that 5e decided to go with. It's always been a pain to explain to new players (and even some older ones) that they basically need to check a chart to figure out what level spells they can cast as a certain level character because the spell levels go from one to nine and the class levels go up to around twenty. Fourth edition had a much cleaner system where you got a variety of spells to choose from every(ish) level and depending on those spells power levels, you could cast them a certain number of times per day. You wanted more power; you got to cast less spells (At-Will vs. Encounter vs. Daily). Now, maybe WotC went a little too far in that direction for some people by presenting the system in a less flavorful manner, but I'd much rather see that sort of spell system in my D&D than what we have now, which is a relic from much older times when game design was just beginning.
In short, I want to be able to answer the question, "I'm a 7th level spell caster, so what level of spells can I cast?" with "Obviously, you can cast 7th level spells." I'm totally okay with the new version of spell scaling by casting it at a higher levels that 5th Ed added. In fact, I feel that sort of design would only enhance the sort of spell system I would like to see.
I suppose my answer to this would be that it's not D&D anymore at that point. 4E was a huge failure when WotC tried to throw out the system and build something new, and the HUGE resurgence under 5E just shows that the current system is what people want. Don't wait for 6E to change this, it won't. If you want to play a game with different mechanics than D&D, then you'll need to find another system.
Really, what is it you think needs to be changed so badly in 5e that you are already wanting a 6e? And if you don't think anything radical needs to be changed to warrant a 6e, why even ask?
I'm not really a fan of the retro-fitted spell system that 5e decided to go with. It's always been a pain to explain to new players (and even some older ones) that they basically need to check a chart to figure out what level spells they can cast as a certain level character because the spell levels go from one to nine and the class levels go up to around twenty. Fourth edition had a much cleaner system where you got a variety of spells to choose from every(ish) level and depending on those spells power levels, you could cast them a certain number of times per day. You wanted more power; you got to cast less spells (At-Will vs. Encounter vs. Daily). Now, maybe WotC went a little too far in that direction for some people by presenting the system in a less flavorful manner, but I'd much rather see that sort of spell system in my D&D than what we have now, which is a relic from much older times when game design was just beginning.
In short, I want to be able to answer the question, "I'm a 7th level spell caster, so what level of spells can I cast?" with "Obviously, you can cast 7th level spells." I'm totally okay with the new version of spell scaling by casting it at a higher levels that 5th Ed added. In fact, I feel that sort of design would only enhance the sort of spell system I would like to see.
I suppose my answer to this would be that it's not D&D anymore at that point. 4E was a huge failure when WotC tried to throw out the system and build something new, and the HUGE resurgence under 5E just shows that the current system is what people want. Don't wait for 6E to change this, it won't. If you want to play a game with different mechanics than D&D, then you'll need to find another system.
Well you are wrong, in that a lot of your assertions are disproven by published comments made by WotC itself, but to hash that old edition war nonsense again here would veer this thread even further off track. Mostly just don't try to pin the resurgence of D&D on a crappy spell system when there are much more obvious reasons readily available. Streaming technology and Youtube culture has brought tabletop gaming to the masses in a way that has never be really visible before. The simplicity of the game compared to 3rd edition has made D&D more viable as a hobby to new players and the trappings of older editions has begun to bring back older players that were scared away from 4th Ed's over-correction in rules structure. In short, with 5e, Wizards has found a way to get new players into the game while also re-acclimating older players to a form of D&D that doesn't have an open license for other companies to piggy-back off of and steal away customers when the next edition change comes around.
Honestly, there would be nothing wrong with cleaning up the spell system of the game in the next edition. It was a clunky system back in the day and today's audience is far more flexible than it used to be.
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I don't remember when or in which forum on here, but I'm the one who posted the link to the panel at Game Hole Con where they discussed the future of D&D. There was speculation that 5e would have a roughly 10 year lifecycle, but they also said that due to the success of 5e, 6e would likely be backwards compatible. To me, that reads that they are really thinking of a 5.5e more than a 6e, but again, all speculation at this point, and anything can change in the next 6 or so years.
So my guess is that 6e would mostly be a continuation of 5e, with some tweaks to rules that proved unpopular beyond the playtesting period. There will probably be some flavor changes to the plot of the setting, if the major thing they change isn't just the main default setting itself.
That being said, in that event it would make sense for WotC and DDB to continue to promote and encourage the purchase of the 5e books, which may mean a continuation of the 5e Legendary Bundle, a new 6E Bundle, or maybe even different bundle options that mix and match the editions. It's really anyone's guess at this point.
OmniBlock's concerns seem 100% valid to me. The question of how soon 6th edition comes out is irrelevant to his actual question, as he has pointed out numerous times.
This is just basic business sense; it is perfectly legitimate to want purchase terms clearly defined, especially for a phrase like "and all future content." The fact that the answer to OmniBlock's question isn't a simple "yes," seems very bait-and-switchy to me. What else could the phrase possibly mean? If 6th edition isn't included, then that should actually say "and all future 5th edition content." As it is currently written in the product description, if it doesn't include 6th edition then that is legitimate grounds for legal action/full refund as the product purchased wouldn't then match the product description as clearly stated. The burden is on the business to clearly define what they mean.
I would argue that if there is ever a 6th edition, by definition it is not 5th edition and thus a brand new product, and not covered under any guarantees or warranties for a 5th edition product.
5th edition is the car you own now. 6th edition is the next car you buy. Nothing carries over to the new car.
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If you're already contemplating buying the bundle, the only time that'd backfire is if 6e is right around the corner AND it's so radically different from 5e that the 5e books become unusuable. Both of those are unlikely.
5th edition has been more successful than every previous edition and "2017 was D&D's most successful year" in roughly 20 years. A big part of that success has been the emphasis on public playtesting to ensure whatever gets published is something that players want. If they decided to make 6e, it'd make the most business sense to follow the same approach. That means 6e is at least 4 years off, since they usually have 1 year's worth of books in the queue (they're already working on the next) and it took roughly 3 years to playtest 5e (look at how long they're taking with the Artificer, Mystic and Revised Ranger.)
But, it's also unlikely they'd want to start 6e any time soon. Look at these tweets from Mearls:
If I were a gambling man, I'd bet 6e wouldn't hit shelves for at least 6-7 years (with the playtesting time factored in). And even then, you'd expect 6e to turn out similar to 5e. Mearls has even said if 6th edition happens, he'd want "seamless backwards compatibility".
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I wish we could down-vote threads sometimes. Honestly, 5e has been out 3 years and you're worrying about 6th edition? What's wrong with 5th?!?!?!
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You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
And just like 3.5 doesn't let you play 4e and 4e doesn't let you play 5e, you shouldn't expect 5e to let you play 6e whenever it happens.
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Purchasing the Legendary Bundle also secures a 15% discount off standard pricing for all future digital content product purchases. You will automatically receive this discount for each new release."
Which would also imply that in 4-5 years when 6th comps out Beyond may no longer be a thing and unusable.
If I spend 300 dollars on something that says "Purchasing the Legendary Bundle also secures a 15% discount off standard pricing for all future digital content product purchases" I feel like I should have a more defined purchasing agreement. After all it does say "ALL future digital content product purchases."
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I asked badeye a similar question when I first became a mod. His answer to me was, "What makes you think we won't be the ones creating 6th edition?" D&D Beyond is more than another partner with WotC in some ways because of the relationship they're fostering with the decision-makers in the business. I'd say there's nothing to worry about, but that's my opinion based on being a little closer to the decision makers than you are. It's understandable to be skeptical, as spending that kind of money on a product with no physical return will always be a risk. But it's a risk a lot of people are willing to take, which I think is pretty cool. So far D&D Beyond has lowered the price of the product, not just here but all around the digital market. I don't see this trend ending. I'm confidant that when 6th edition comes out, whether soon or far in the future, Badeye will be at the forefront trying to get the edition into the consumers hands, at the cheapest price they'll allow, just as he is now.
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A lot of good information and thank you for everyone who replied.
I'm not saying you don't have a point, but maybe your point isn't quite as universal as you think, because the answer to this specific question you chose to illustrate your point is 3.
I, like many people I know, don't just turn around and upgrade my phone because some company released a new model. I get a new phone when the one I have has started to actually wear out (example: phone number 1 got replaced when the hinge in it began to loosen and wiggle and make the phone not stay closed, and phone number 2 got replaced because I dropped it and had enough spare funds on hand to get a shiny new phone instead of just repairing the damage done, and I've had that 3rd phone for about 5 years so far).
Also, it's not "very common" that people buy a car every 3-5 years... at least not unless you are meaning either leasing a new car every 3-5 years, or buying a used car every 3-5 years. Very few people can afford to finance another $20,000+ dollars every few years just because they feel like they are "supposed" to upgrade frequently.
Are we already so jaded and weary of 5th Edition that we need/want a 6th edition? My real point is, why are we even talking about 6th edition?!?! Given how much work went in to getting 5th edition just right in conjunction with the community, I'd like to think that there won't be a 6th edition in the same way there were previous editions.
3rd edition radically changed D&D. 4th edition radically changed it again. 5th edition radically changed it again, but so far it seems like the majority of players are finally happy with this amazing edition of D&D.
If anything, I imagine in 2 or 3 years we might see more rule books like XGtE that provide new options for the existing rule set, as well as more amazing, and original adventures, and more options for streamlined online play.
Really, what is it you think needs to be changed so badly in 5e that you are already wanting a 6e? And if you don't think anything radical needs to be changed to warrant a 6e, why even ask?
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
Nowhere did he say he was wanting a 6e, he was just saying he sees one coming, perhaps sooner than others think. I too have had this feeling, yes there was a long time between 2 an 3, but as stated, the time between 3, 3.5, 4, and 5 was not so great, and continuing the most recent trend, it isn't farfetched to think a 6th edition is on the horizon (3-6 years away perhaps). Speculating that in no way means that I want it to happen, it just means that I think it can happen.
I think it's a good question to ask, and the answer is not clear and likely won't be made clear/definitive until/if a 6th edition comes out. Let's hope that's a long ways off, but if it isn't, I wouldn't count on a discount purchased now being effective on the new edition. I would think the ToS would change and state that these discounts will continue for new products related to 5e, and there would be a similar, separate discount made available for 6e. Perhaps if enough people request it, those who bought the LB for 5e might get an extra % off the LB for 6e for a limited time as a "starter" sale, but I wouldn't expect much more than that.
This is all speculation, but the thread isn't about the OP wanting 6e to come out, it's about the realization that it might exist within the next "few" years (however you want to define that), and how would that affect the purchase he could make today.
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For myself, the reply to both those questions is no, because I do not plan on running all the published adventures, nor I am interested in having access to them at this point.
The 15% discount is indeed a sweet deal, but what should be at the core of a choice like this is the effective personal usefulness of the contents of the bundle.
I seriously fail to see how something like a roleplaying game, and an offer that basically lets you have all of what has come out plus a discount, should be seen as anything more than a deal, rather than a economical investment into the future that hangs on the 15% discount applying also to a future edition that we have no idea how it will be distributed and even less when.
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I don't remember when or in which forum on here, but I'm the one who posted the link to the panel at Game Hole Con where they discussed the future of D&D. There was speculation that 5e would have a roughly 10 year lifecycle, but they also said that due to the success of 5e, 6e would likely be backwards compatible. To me, that reads that they are really thinking of a 5.5e more than a 6e, but again, all speculation at this point, and anything can change in the next 6 or so years.
So my guess is that 6e would mostly be a continuation of 5e, with some tweaks to rules that proved unpopular beyond the playtesting period. There will probably be some flavor changes to the plot of the setting, if the major thing they change isn't just the main default setting itself.
That being said, in that event it would make sense for WotC and DDB to continue to promote and encourage the purchase of the 5e books, which may mean a continuation of the 5e Legendary Bundle, a new 6E Bundle, or maybe even different bundle options that mix and match the editions. It's really anyone's guess at this point.
OmniBlock's concerns seem 100% valid to me. The question of how soon 6th edition comes out is irrelevant to his actual question, as he has pointed out numerous times.
This is just basic business sense; it is perfectly legitimate to want purchase terms clearly defined, especially for a phrase like "and all future content." The fact that the answer to OmniBlock's question isn't a simple "yes," seems very bait-and-switchy to me. What else could the phrase possibly mean? If 6th edition isn't included, then that should actually say "and all future 5th edition content." As it is currently written in the product description, if it doesn't include 6th edition then that is legitimate grounds for legal action/full refund as the product purchased wouldn't then match the product description as clearly stated. The burden is on the business to clearly define what they mean.
I would argue that if there is ever a 6th edition, by definition it is not 5th edition and thus a brand new product, and not covered under any guarantees or warranties for a 5th edition product.
5th edition is the car you own now. 6th edition is the next car you buy. Nothing carries over to the new car.
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You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?