I have seen people on Facebook say the objective is to kill WotC. I have seen them say you can't play D&D ever again unless you want WotC to succeed because even if you don't buy anything ever again WotC wins because their game is being played and talked about. I have seen people being called stupid and on the side of evil if they don't switch to Pathfinder RIGHT NOW! So yes, for a part of the fanbase the objective very much is to burn WotC to the ground and D&D with it. All the while, they completely forget that the entire mess was BECAUSE OF THE THIRD PARTY CREATORS OF 5E! The actual players of D&D were only going to be affected once third party creators close their doors due to not being able to pay revenue and other unfair requests. Well guess what, those 3rd party creators won't have to pay revenue, but if we listen to the folks with torches and pitchforks THEY WON'T SELL A DAMN THING ANYWAY! ORC is months or years away, it took Paizo a year and a half to publish Pathfinder and all they did was slap some paint on 3.5. A new system by a dozen companies will take at least that long to create, so 3PP folk are out of a job if D&D goes under (it won't, but many really want it to).
You seem to think that a company like Green Ronin or Kobold Press, or MCDM, or... (you get the idea) can ONLY create 5e products. Are you daft? They can create for any of the plethora of systems that are already out there. They created for 5e because 5e had the largest player base. That made it the biggest market. If D&D or WotC dried up and blew away in the wind, there would simply be a lot of new products for other games. So we are arguing for Darwin. Let WotC show that they are smart enough to adapt to the environment or let WotC shrivel up and die so someone or something more able to live in this environment can thrive.
Personally, I don't care wither way. D&D was convenient because so many people had seen it, knew someone that played, or actually knew the system. Want to gather a game group? It's very easy to find D&D players. But let's be honest, the system would never be called elegant. It started as a kit bash of miniature war game rules to add weird special units like wizards. It grew to become a survival horror style game with deep dungeons of total darkness with numerous traps and monsters where only those clever and greedy enough to plunder its treasures could thrive. Then it morphed into a story telling system with fiction like Dragonlance and rules trying to adapt to the new approach. Then they tried to reinvent it as a video game type system of wargaming with 4e. That wasn't as popular, so they course corrected to be more of a light-ish weight story telling system with 5e. After all of that, why do we still have 3-18 attributes? Why can you buy a pole as equipment? Because they keep trying to be at least somewhat compatible with what came before. The pole was for finding traps way back when it was survival horror. All of this is because D&D was built in layers and is trying to be backward compatible.
So, D&D isn't necessarily the cleanest of most elegant system. It has relics all scattered through it from those old iterations. So why has it been so popular? Because there is so much material and exposure (due to the third party community) that most people who might be interested in playing have some familiarity. But it's not because D&D is essential or the best or somehow a basis for all other RPGs. And once D&D is not seen as safe to produce for, some other system will receive all of those benefits, perhaps supplanting D&D. It will all work out for the user community, whether WotC learns and changes their approach, or if they burn to the ground.
Not a single RPG out there has a fraction of the D&D playerbase. Not a single RPG will allow 3PP to survive till ORC comes other than D&D. The raging fans are throwing 3PP under the bus.
??? The third parties have all come out and said they're done with WotC. That's why they're creating thier own gaming license. This whole argument has become moot. The OGL is dead. They won't publish under 2.0 and they can't publish under 1.0a so what exactly are you suggesting?? The ORC will be done in no time. They're not trying to write a 9,000 word document. It'll be little more than a revision of 1.0.
They don't have a game attached to that licence. They can't make a revision of what is not theirs to revise.
Seriously?? How about "re-wording"?? Does that help you grasp the point?? The framework is there. The idea that it would take years, or even months, is ridiculous.
They are done with the OGL. They are the ones saying so.
They don't have a game attached to that licence. They can't make a revision of what is not theirs to revise.
WotC has anounced to all those companies that it wants them to die. They are small but well motivated. The license will be simple, putting at least one set of open gaming content up to make it usable for DMs will take some time, but should not take forever. And for the time being they will have to decide to publish under 1.0a or delay. After all WotC did not publish 1.1 yet and therefore atm there is no doubt that 1.0a is still in effect. Only when WotC publishes its try to revoke will 3rd parties be open for litigation.
Some money will be moved towards those 3rd parties, too. I had zero intention to leave D&D before the leak, but just spent more money on alternative systems to work on an exit strategy than I spent here within the last 12 months. The only way for WotC to prevent that from happening would be to deliver a true 1.0b with irrevocable added and both 5e and 6e SRDs with it.
D&D got big by the OGL and it is WotC's decision to keep it or abandon the community and get destroyed.
And is in extremely early development. No one knows when it will come out. And until it does, 5e is the only option 3rd party creators have. I honestly think that D&D has enough casuals who don't care about any of this to survive even the entire hardcore community leaving, and they won't all leave if WotC doesn't do something stupid again. So leaving 5e at this particular point in time only hurts 3rd party creators, and of course WotC, but WotC will pull through, 3PP has much fewer resources for that.
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And is in extremely early development. No one knows when it will come out. And until it does, 5e is the only option 3rd party creators have. I honestly think that D&D has enough casuals who don't care about any of this to survive even the entire hardcore community leaving, and they won't all leave if WotC doesn't do something stupid again. So leaving 5e at this particular point in time only hurts 3rd party creators, and of course WotC, but WotC will pull through, 3PP has much fewer resources for that.
I do not get what you are saying. Obviously nobody could ever sign 1.1. If there is no new version everything is fine. But WotC is saying there will be 2.0 and talking about that with starting from a lie about drafting and some of the points doubling down, with very few substantial consessions (that we still need to see stood by in an actual license, too) means 3rd parties have to prepare for 1.1 coming pretty much just renamed.
Would we get a full backpedal with 1.0b making the future rock solid I certainly would prefer to stay (see my avatar, why else would I still be here).
I do not get what you are saying. Obviously nobody could ever sign 1.1. If there is no new version everything is fine. But WotC is saying there will be 2.0 and talking about that with starting from a lie about drafting and some of the points doubling down, with very few substantial consessions (that we still need to see stood by in an actual license, too) means 3rd parties have to prepare for 1.1 coming pretty much just renamed.
We don't know whether or not it was a lie. There really was only one person who said that the draft was sent out with deadlines for people to sign it, and Griffon's Saddlebag phrases it as if they haven't been given a copy of OGL 1.1 and are just repeating rumors they've heard.
Also, Wizards made a LOT of concessions. I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
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I do not get what you are saying. Obviously nobody could ever sign 1.1. If there is no new version everything is fine. But WotC is saying there will be 2.0 and talking about that with starting from a lie about drafting and some of the points doubling down, with very few substantial consessions (that we still need to see stood by in an actual license, too) means 3rd parties have to prepare for 1.1 coming pretty much just renamed.
We don't know whether or not it was a lie. There really was only one person who said that the draft was sent out with deadlines for people to sign it, and Griffon's Saddlebag phrases it as if they haven't been given a copy of OGL 1.1 and are just repeating rumors they've heard.
Also, Wizards made a LOT of concessions. I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
Could you provide the text of OGL 2.0? I'd really like to see these concessions you claim WotC made.
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The age of OGL is over. The Time of the ORC has come!
The moment that WotC declares OGL 1.0a "de-authorized", "revoked" or any such nonsense is the moment I release as much content as possible under OGL 1.0a and say, "Sue me WotC". OGL1.0a cannot be revoked. If thousands of us do it, the countersuit will be a class action suit.
I do not get what you are saying. Obviously nobody could ever sign 1.1. If there is no new version everything is fine. But WotC is saying there will be 2.0 and talking about that with starting from a lie about drafting and some of the points doubling down, with very few substantial consessions (that we still need to see stood by in an actual license, too) means 3rd parties have to prepare for 1.1 coming pretty much just renamed.
We don't know whether or not it was a lie. There really was only one person who said that the draft was sent out with deadlines for people to sign it, and Griffon's Saddlebag phrases it as if they haven't been given a copy of OGL 1.1 and are just repeating rumors they've heard.
Also, Wizards made a LOT of concessions. I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
We have a license that could hardly be worse that was offered for signing (if you want to believe that all the reporting was wrong and WotC did not correct to say anything about it for all the time, like to just answer the journalist breaking the leak on Gizmodo, who certainly contacted them for comments, that is your strange decision) and a PR statement that starts with a lie and ends with a bit of a tantrum, for example saying nothing about unilateral changes just by 30 days notice in between, but no new legal text -- while it does announce that there will be one. Think that is something to talk about.
I do not get what you are saying. Obviously nobody could ever sign 1.1. If there is no new version everything is fine. But WotC is saying there will be 2.0 and talking about that with starting from a lie about drafting and some of the points doubling down, with very few substantial consessions (that we still need to see stood by in an actual license, too) means 3rd parties have to prepare for 1.1 coming pretty much just renamed.
We don't know whether or not it was a lie. There really was only one person who said that the draft was sent out with deadlines for people to sign it, and Griffon's Saddlebag phrases it as if they haven't been given a copy of OGL 1.1 and are just repeating rumors they've heard.
Also, Wizards made a LOT of concessions. I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
Could you provide the text of OGL 2.0? I'd really like to see these concessions you claim WotC made.
I can't provide the new OGL, since it hasn't been released yet. That being said, they explained the concessions they were making in the article on the front page.
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I don't disagree. What I do disagree about is telling other people to do it in the hopes that it will somehow harm WotC. With tens of millions of accounts on D&DBbeyond and likely thousands if not more who don't have a D&Dbeyond, the 65,000 who signed the petition makes up only half a percent of the number of D&Dbeyond accounts, much less all the other players.
I would prefer a source to prove that there are "tens of millions" of accounts on DNDB, because that seems like an extraordinarily high number.
If you go to "forums", then scroll to the bottom you will see this:
But even if there were, that number is not the important one. What matters to WOTC is the number of PAYING accounts. And right now, what matters most of all is the number of paying accounts that are cancelling their subscriptions.
Well we can estimate based on the net worht of the company: Over 1.3 billion dollars according to the top google result. Other websites confirm this number, so it seems reliable.
Even a master tier subscription is only $55 per year, so even if all 65,000 petition signers cancels a master tier subscription, that would cost the company about 3.5 million dollars a year, or about 0.3% of their net worth per year. You think that matters to them? Even in the most extreme case, if every. single. one. of the petition signers canceled a master tier subscription that amounts to not even half a percent of their net worth per year.
I don't think anyone not in WOTC corporate knows what that threshold would have to be for the cancellations to start stinging. However, if I was to bet on it, I'd bet that by now there *has* been an impact. I'd also bet that once the next quarterly projection comes out, it probably won't grant a favorable look. The only reason the stockholders aren't upset yet is because the effect of all this has not yet been reported to them. Watch what happens when that day comes.
I just did crucnhed the numbers for you. It's hard to tell at what threshold they would care, but it doesn't seem that this has any chance of meeting it.
And, of course, this is now the second public relations disaster that WOTC has committed in the last few months. This continued, blundering damage to brand recognition is unlikely to go unnoticed by the stockholders either, not forever.
I think that's the only way this will make a difference. And how will it make a difference? Big money makers like Mage Hand press leaving. We've seen the extent to which the public disaster has affected people. How? The petition. After this "public relations disaster", the amount of people who are willing to do as little as sign their name down that they want OGL 10.a back is not even half a percent of the total number of D&Dbeyond accounts. That's how much the "disaster" has affected them. Not great for PR for sure, but not in any way enough to get OGL 10.a back.
My problem is not with anyone making choices for themselves, nor is it with people who honestly just don;t want to pay WotC because of OGL 10.a. My problem is with false advertising. If you say, "You all need to boycott D&Dbeyond and if we do we will get OGL 1.0a back" then you are giving people false hope and I cannot stand behind that. No matter how you run the numbers, I simply cannot finds a way in which the number of protestors is enough to make WotC consider giving us 1.0a back as a result of these protests. I have hope for sure, but I don't think that telling people that harming themselves will give them OGL 10.a back is a good idea.
- the D&D part of WotC is only around 150.000.000$ anually revenue, not the company worth. - people paying for the account are very unlikely to spend nothing else here, like books - independent on financial data people cancelling subscriptions is one of the rare easy to follow metrics they have about D&D - the cancellations have been noticed by media - the cancellations are something to rally around, which leads to multiplication-effects
I believe it is unlikely that WotC top-management will reconsider. But they did want to publish 1.1 on the 4th and did not. And they flailed pretty insanely when having to react to the leak and the community reactions. I would still like to save D&D (as a TTRPG) and making Cynthia Williams understand within just a few months is the only way (except investors making her go) to save it. Maybe WotC will be fine with D&D becoming something else dropping the TTRPG community. I would prefer both to exist, TTRPG and media products of other kinds based on the IP driven by it. But if WotC does not want that we can only say that we tried.
I believe it is unlikely that WotC top-management will reconsider.
Then why are you protesting like this? If you just don't want to play D&D anymore because of OGL 2.0, then no one's stopping you from leaving. But why try to get as many people to leave as possible? Just to spite WotC? To burn the building as you leave? I assumed Yuri's argument of people trying got kill D&D was a strawman fallacy and hyperbole, but if you don't think it will work and yet you are protesting in these forums to try to get as many people as possible to leave D&D, it does really seem like your only objective is to kill D&D. What are you even trying to accomplish then?
Because I assume the likelyhood for WotC reconsidering to be a few percent, which is worth trying. Them giving up on this part of the strategy (that I don't even think they need for the rest if they just make their VTT substatially better than the others) would be the best outcome for everybody. And as long as there is a chance I would hate to be asked why I did not try.
Your outlook is overly nihilistic. But just to play along, let's say it's 3.5 million bucks in actual subscriptions or in that ballpack. Does that number matter to WOTC?
You better believe it. All day, every day. That's a reliable, renewable source of significant year over year revenue that is *lost.* Poof. Gone.
It's also not even including the number of those accounts that were, or would have been, buying other products through DNDB.
It matters. Don't believe it? Watch what happens next.
A word to the wise on the OGL situation: if you have decided you will NEVER BUY FROM HASBROZARDS AGAIN and are busily whipping everyone you can into a zealous fervor of spite and fury seeking to do as much damage to Wizards as you can? You are not helping.
The community, together, put enough pressure on Wizards to get them to rethink their approach and pull back on some of their most egregious overreach. That is Good. We all did it, or at least we earned ground. The whole idea was to get Wizards to change their behavior or they'd lose their customers. Here's the rub - if you decide you're already a Lost Customer and absolutely nothing Wizards could ever do would woo you back, and you're just here to keep spewing invective aimed at everyone involved?
Wizards has absolutely no reason to listen to you or pay you any heed. You're already a write-off. There's no point in giving you the time of day. Your rabid snarling is not "pressure", it's just pointless noise. Everybody has a course of action they can take to apply pressure - cancel their subscription. Do that if you wish to do so, by all means. But keep in mind that if you want Wizards to reverse their course and change their actions, you have to be willing to entertain the possibility of continuing to do business with them should they do what you ask. This recent frothing riot over the Jan 13th Statement is beyond ridiculous. Yes, the statement is in Corpospeak. News flash: they're a corporation. They're gonna speak Corpospeak, Corpospeak exists for a reason. We all hate it, but we can't change it.
Be angry. Anger helps! You should be angry! Directed, focused anger won us some major concessions! But spite is worse than useless. Spite will do nothing but poison the entire process and make any further compromise or gaining of ground impossible. All you're doing when you ragepost endless spite in every thread in GD is making the forums a terrible place to be and hurting the community that's trying to band together and make changes happen.
Please. Calm down. Breathe. Have some water. And remember that if you continue to beat the dog over and over again after it's tried and tried to do what you want, eventually the dog will stop caring and bite you.
Is "conspiracy theorist" an insult? And how does proposing that there is a conspiracy going on mean you're "advocating for patience and logic"?
What part of "conspiracy theorist" is doing the "be vilified"?
I think I remember seeing that post then, where you propose that a cabal of shadowy figures came together in secret to work out a plan to tarnish WOTC reputation. And this is all their master plan. It was when the leaked documents hadn't really been verified yet. Right?
I never talked about a cabal of shadowy figures. As I explained to you directly several times, I never pretended that the concerns over Open Game License 1.1 were a conspiracy. My point was that a random new website by anonymous publishers talking about information anyone could falsify might not be fully trustworthy. Especially when those "publishers" could just be one malicious person who invented a fake legal document and fit it into other rumors to make it look like corroborating evidence when it really wasn't.
If you seriously believe that the belief that there might be at least one malicious person on the internet is a "conspiracy theory", then I honestly don't know what to say. Not every website on the internet is 100% trustworthy. That isn't a conspiracy, that's just facts.
Also, being called a conspiracy theorist is a VERY offensive insult where I live. Patience and logic is not a conspiracy, and saying that is vilifying people.
I think you misunderstand what "conspiracy theorist" means. It is someone who has a theory. A theory that other people are involved in a conspiracy.
You have a theory. That involves a conspiracy.
I don't see what your issue is? You're theorizing about a conspiracy. I bolded red what your theory about the conspiracy is.
Your theory is that one or more anonymous people conspired or otherwise hatched a plan to create a fake leak to discredit WOTC's public image. Pretty plain to see this is a conspiracy theory. A false one too. We've learned as much since you first started posting it.
Not only that, but you've ignored all the other things people have called me to focus on one specific comment. If you have been following threads such as this, then it is baffling that you apparently haven't seen any comments that were way worse than this.
You think I ignored that because you ignored the part where I agreed people need to remain civil. If someone lists 5 things. And one of them is wrong. Why focus your correction/response on the parts that are correct? Of course people shouldn't be throwing insults. Not at you, or anyone.
It is apparently so hard to program Aberrant Mind and Clockwork Soul spell-swapping into dndbeyond they had to remake the game without it rather than implement it.
Seriously?? How about "re-wording"?? Does that help you grasp the point?? The framework is there. The idea that it would take years, or even months, is ridiculous.
They are done with the OGL. They are the ones saying so.
The OGL is for D&D. The ORC will need a new game.
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WotC has anounced to all those companies that it wants them to die. They are small but well motivated. The license will be simple, putting at least one set of open gaming content up to make it usable for DMs will take some time, but should not take forever. And for the time being they will have to decide to publish under 1.0a or delay. After all WotC did not publish 1.1 yet and therefore atm there is no doubt that 1.0a is still in effect. Only when WotC publishes its try to revoke will 3rd parties be open for litigation.
Some money will be moved towards those 3rd parties, too. I had zero intention to leave D&D before the leak, but just spent more money on alternative systems to work on an exit strategy than I spent here within the last 12 months. The only way for WotC to prevent that from happening would be to deliver a true 1.0b with irrevocable added and both 5e and 6e SRDs with it.
D&D got big by the OGL and it is WotC's decision to keep it or abandon the community and get destroyed.
Which is currently called Project Black Flag.
Nice.
And is in extremely early development. No one knows when it will come out. And until it does, 5e is the only option 3rd party creators have. I honestly think that D&D has enough casuals who don't care about any of this to survive even the entire hardcore community leaving, and they won't all leave if WotC doesn't do something stupid again. So leaving 5e at this particular point in time only hurts 3rd party creators, and of course WotC, but WotC will pull through, 3PP has much fewer resources for that.
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I do not get what you are saying. Obviously nobody could ever sign 1.1. If there is no new version everything is fine. But WotC is saying there will be 2.0 and talking about that with starting from a lie about drafting and some of the points doubling down, with very few substantial consessions (that we still need to see stood by in an actual license, too) means 3rd parties have to prepare for 1.1 coming pretty much just renamed.
Would we get a full backpedal with 1.0b making the future rock solid I certainly would prefer to stay (see my avatar, why else would I still be here).
We don't know whether or not it was a lie. There really was only one person who said that the draft was sent out with deadlines for people to sign it, and Griffon's Saddlebag phrases it as if they haven't been given a copy of OGL 1.1 and are just repeating rumors they've heard.
Also, Wizards made a LOT of concessions. I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
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HERE.Could you provide the text of OGL 2.0? I'd really like to see these concessions you claim WotC made.
The age of OGL is over. The Time of the ORC has come!
The moment that WotC declares OGL 1.0a "de-authorized", "revoked" or any such nonsense is the moment I release as much content as possible under OGL 1.0a and say, "Sue me WotC". OGL1.0a cannot be revoked. If thousands of us do it, the countersuit will be a class action suit.
We have a license that could hardly be worse that was offered for signing (if you want to believe that all the reporting was wrong and WotC did not correct to say anything about it for all the time, like to just answer the journalist breaking the leak on Gizmodo, who certainly contacted them for comments, that is your strange decision) and a PR statement that starts with a lie and ends with a bit of a tantrum, for example saying nothing about unilateral changes just by 30 days notice in between, but no new legal text -- while it does announce that there will be one. Think that is something to talk about.
I can't provide the new OGL, since it hasn't been released yet. That being said, they explained the concessions they were making in the article on the front page.
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HERE.If you go to "forums", then scroll to the bottom you will see this:
Well we can estimate based on the net worht of the company: Over 1.3 billion dollars according to the top google result. Other websites confirm this number, so it seems reliable.
Even a master tier subscription is only $55 per year, so even if all 65,000 petition signers cancels a master tier subscription, that would cost the company about 3.5 million dollars a year, or about 0.3% of their net worth per year. You think that matters to them? Even in the most extreme case, if every. single. one. of the petition signers canceled a master tier subscription that amounts to not even half a percent of their net worth per year.
I just did crucnhed the numbers for you. It's hard to tell at what threshold they would care, but it doesn't seem that this has any chance of meeting it.
I think that's the only way this will make a difference. And how will it make a difference? Big money makers like Mage Hand press leaving. We've seen the extent to which the public disaster has affected people. How? The petition. After this "public relations disaster", the amount of people who are willing to do as little as sign their name down that they want OGL 10.a back is not even half a percent of the total number of D&Dbeyond accounts. That's how much the "disaster" has affected them. Not great for PR for sure, but not in any way enough to get OGL 10.a back.
My problem is not with anyone making choices for themselves, nor is it with people who honestly just don;t want to pay WotC because of OGL 10.a. My problem is with false advertising. If you say, "You all need to boycott D&Dbeyond and if we do we will get OGL 1.0a back" then you are giving people false hope and I cannot stand behind that. No matter how you run the numbers, I simply cannot finds a way in which the number of protestors is enough to make WotC consider giving us 1.0a back as a result of these protests. I have hope for sure, but I don't think that telling people that harming themselves will give them OGL 10.a back is a good idea.
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- the D&D part of WotC is only around 150.000.000$ anually revenue, not the company worth.
- people paying for the account are very unlikely to spend nothing else here, like books
- independent on financial data people cancelling subscriptions is one of the rare easy to follow metrics they have about D&D
- the cancellations have been noticed by media
- the cancellations are something to rally around, which leads to multiplication-effects
I believe it is unlikely that WotC top-management will reconsider. But they did want to publish 1.1 on the 4th and did not. And they flailed pretty insanely when having to react to the leak and the community reactions. I would still like to save D&D (as a TTRPG) and making Cynthia Williams understand within just a few months is the only way (except investors making her go) to save it. Maybe WotC will be fine with D&D becoming something else dropping the TTRPG community. I would prefer both to exist, TTRPG and media products of other kinds based on the IP driven by it. But if WotC does not want that we can only say that we tried.
Several have already signed on so...
Then why are you protesting like this? If you just don't want to play D&D anymore because of OGL 2.0, then no one's stopping you from leaving. But why try to get as many people to leave as possible? Just to spite WotC? To burn the building as you leave? I assumed Yuri's argument of people trying got kill D&D was a strawman fallacy and hyperbole, but if you don't think it will work and yet you are protesting in these forums to try to get as many people as possible to leave D&D, it does really seem like your only objective is to kill D&D. What are you even trying to accomplish then?
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Because I assume the likelyhood for WotC reconsidering to be a few percent, which is worth trying. Them giving up on this part of the strategy (that I don't even think they need for the rest if they just make their VTT substatially better than the others) would be the best outcome for everybody. And as long as there is a chance I would hate to be asked why I did not try.
Your outlook is overly nihilistic. But just to play along, let's say it's 3.5 million bucks in actual subscriptions or in that ballpack. Does that number matter to WOTC?
You better believe it. All day, every day. That's a reliable, renewable source of significant year over year revenue that is *lost.* Poof. Gone.
It's also not even including the number of those accounts that were, or would have been, buying other products through DNDB.
It matters. Don't believe it? Watch what happens next.
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I think you misunderstand what "conspiracy theorist" means. It is someone who has a theory. A theory that other people are involved in a conspiracy.
You have a theory. That involves a conspiracy.
I don't see what your issue is? You're theorizing about a conspiracy. I bolded red what your theory about the conspiracy is.
Your theory is that one or more anonymous people conspired or otherwise hatched a plan to create a fake leak to discredit WOTC's public image. Pretty plain to see this is a conspiracy theory. A false one too. We've learned as much since you first started posting it.
You think I ignored that because you ignored the part where I agreed people need to remain civil. If someone lists 5 things. And one of them is wrong. Why focus your correction/response on the parts that are correct? Of course people shouldn't be throwing insults. Not at you, or anyone.
I'm probably laughing.
It is apparently so hard to program Aberrant Mind and Clockwork Soul spell-swapping into dndbeyond they had to remake the game without it rather than implement it.
*Says that we beaten the dead horse enough,and that WotC has understood the lesson and that they won't do it anymore*
*Me looking back at every other occasions they tried to pull this bullshit over the years every 10 years or so...*
Maybe WotC are slow learners, but something doesn't add up here...
"Normality is but an Illusion, Whats normal to the Spider, is only madness for the Fly"
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