With the loss of al a carte purchases, Hasbro now has every financial incentive to kill the homebrew tools off as well.
Make your voices heard. Don't sit in silence. If we wait for Chris Cox (Hasbro head of marketing) to have his way with DnDBeyond, we will lose the open and accessible platform we love. We are already loosing it as we speak.
Piracy is not a consumer issue, it's a marketplace issue.
With the loss of al a carte purchases, Hasbro now has every financial incentive to kill the homebrew tools off as well.
Make your voices heard. Don't sit in silence. If we wait for Chris Cox (Hasbro head of marketing) to have his way with DnDBeyond, we will lose the open and accessible platform we love. We are already loosing it as we speak.
Piracy is not a consumer issue, it's a marketplace issue.
This post is nothing short of fear mongering by an individual very, very clearly ill-informed on the subject. From misspelling Chris Cocks’ name to using the wrong title (he is the CEO of Hasbro, not CMO), to the completely groundless extrapolation on which they base their thread, it is pretty clear you should take this user’s thoughts with a massive grain of salt.
Actually, I would like to be the flip side of the coin on this one.
What if Hasbro discovers revenue drops significantly due to their choice. What if they discover they had been feeding on lower income folks who COULD spare $8-$10 on a few classes or races or such, but CAN'T really afford to drop $60-$80 for a full book? If anyone in the company knows and understands customer trends, they are already neatening and tidying the piecemeal options and availability (maybe a filter-able search function?) so one doesn't have to scan each book looking for their desired things. Something to sit on the back burner and see how the current change affects revenue. If profits start to fall, drop it on the site and watch that little red line start spiking again, as the lower income folks jump back into BUYING things.
Either scenario is simply us, minions of the hobby, with our own experiences, beliefs and ideas, speculating. Not a single word has been spoken officially about either of our ideas, so we're just brainstorming for them.
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Actually, I would like to be the flip side of the coin on this one.
What if Hasbro discovers revenue drops significantly due to their choice. What if they discover they had been feeding on lower income folks who COULD spare $8-$10 on a few classes or races or such, but CAN'T really afford to drop $60-$80 for a full book? If anyone in the company knows and understands customer trends, they are already neatening and tidying the piecemeal options and availability (maybe a filter-able search function?) so one doesn't have to scan each book looking for their desired things. Something to sit on the back burner and see how the current change affects revenue. If profits start to fall, drop it on the site and watch that little red line start spiking again, as the lower income folks jump back into BUYING things.
Either scenario is simply us, minions of the hobby, with our own experiences, beliefs and ideas, speculating. Not a single word has been spoken officially about either of our ideas, so we're just brainstorming for them.
They're not going to realise this before the damage is so far gone that the conclusion will be to kill D&D Beyond instead of fix the mistakes.
There's a reason TSR was going broke in the late 90s.
With the loss of al a carte purchases, Hasbro now has every financial incentive to kill the homebrew tools off as well.
Make your voices heard. Don't sit in silence. If we wait for Chris Cox (Hasbro head of marketing) to have his way with DnDBeyond, we will lose the open and accessible platform we love. We are already loosing it as we speak.
Piracy is not a consumer issue, it's a marketplace issue.
This post is nothing short of fear mongering by an individual very, very clearly ill-informed on the subject. From misspelling Chris Cocks’ name to using the wrong title (he is the CEO of Hasbro, not CMO), to the completely groundless extrapolation on which they base their thread, it is pretty clear you should take this user’s thoughts with a massive grain of salt.
No ,its pattern recognition, we saw first signs of this when some new books no longer had the peacemeal options, and knowing hasbros shitty track record, what a surpise they went and removed it for everything, so homebrew where people can basically create the peacemeal options for free from scratch would naturaly have to go next, it would make sense for a greedy soulless company that fires people from the one branch thats profitable just to make numbers look better
With the loss of al a carte purchases, Hasbro now has every financial incentive to kill the homebrew tools off as well.
Make your voices heard. Don't sit in silence. If we wait for Chris Cox (Hasbro head of marketing) to have his way with DnDBeyond, we will lose the open and accessible platform we love. We are already loosing it as we speak.
Piracy is not a consumer issue, it's a marketplace issue.
This post is nothing short of fear mongering by an individual very, very clearly ill-informed on the subject. From misspelling Chris Cocks’ name to using the wrong title (he is the CEO of Hasbro, not CMO), to the completely groundless extrapolation on which they base their thread, it is pretty clear you should take this user’s thoughts with a massive grain of salt.
No ,its pattern recognition, we saw first signs of this when some new books no longer had the peacemeal options, and knowing hasbros shitty track record, what a surpise they went and removed it for everything, so homebrew where people can basically create the peacemeal options for free from scratch would naturaly have to go next, it would make sense for a greedy soulless company that fires people from the one branch thats profitable just to make numbers look better
Seeing two related evvents occur and assuming that it means that a third, significantly different event will also occur is not pattern recognition.
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
With the string of bad decisions WotC are incessant on drawing out, I wouldn't surprised if they did lock it behind a paywall. When we're told "the brand is really under monetised" and that they want to "unlock the type of recurrent spending you see in digital games", we'd better believe them sooner rather than later. Before anyone tries to tell me that was in reference to limiting the blood squeezed out of the DM's stone, look no further than at how that turned out for the piecemeal purchase options. They're going after the whales and it shows.
It seems to me some people simply enjoy having their boots pissed on. I'm not one of them and I certainly don't want to be told it's just rain.
Meanwhile, other people seem to feel that their lives are so devoid of things to be upset about that they need to go out and find hypothetical things that there's no evidence is actually happening to be upset over.
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Meanwhile, other people seem to feel that their lives are so devoid of things to be upset about that they need to go out and find hypothetical things that there's no evidence is actually happening to be upset over.
It is far from "hypothetical", just six months ago an employee said this wasn't going to happen when The Book of Many Things went live with no piece meal.
Meanwhile, other people seem to feel that their lives are so devoid of things to be upset about that they need to go out and find hypothetical things that there's no evidence is actually happening to be upset over.
It is far from "hypothetical", just six months ago an employee said this wasn't going to happen when The Book of Many Things went live with no piece meal.
Umm, if you actually read the post it made no guarantees for the future ad infinitum, just the current state of affairs as they knew it. Even if the decision had been made by that point, so far away from roll out they weren't going to send a company-wide memo on it. The staffer responded with the information that was current at the time, and it was never presented as a commitment for the future that they'd never change a la carte.
The capacity for continual trust in the same people that some forumers regularly display never ceases to amaze me. You’ve been continually burned, over and over again, usually a few times per year. How many other fandoms and games deal with these regular, seasonal company failures?
Umm, if you actually read the post it made no guarantees for the future ad infinitum, just the current state of affairs as they knew it. Even if the decision had been made by that point, so far away from roll out they weren't going to send a company-wide memo on it. The staffer responded with the information that was current at the time, and it was never presented as a commitment for the future that they'd never change a la carte.
Saying “you will still be able to do this, but we reserve the right to change our answer at any time” doesn’t exactly build trust.
The capacity for continual trust in the same people that some forumers regularly display never ceases to amaze me. You’ve been continually burned, over and over again, usually a few times per year. How many other fandoms and games deal with these regular, seasonal company failures?
Umm, if you actually read the post it made no guarantees for the future ad infinitum, just the current state of affairs as they knew it. Even if the decision had been made by that point, so far away from roll out they weren't going to send a company-wide memo on it. The staffer responded with the information that was current at the time, and it was never presented as a commitment for the future that they'd never change a la carte.
Saying “you will still be able to do this, but we reserve the right to change our answer at any time” doesn’t exactly build trust.
It doesn't have to, but it's unrealistic to expect a business to set their business model in stone, and it's extremely clear that nothing in the post was meant to represent a long-term commitment, just a statement of the facts as that individual knew them.
The capacity for continual trust in the same people that some forumers regularly display never ceases to amaze me. You’ve been continually burned, over and over again, usually a few times per year. How many other fandoms and games deal with these regular, seasonal company failures?
Umm, if you actually read the post it made no guarantees for the future ad infinitum, just the current state of affairs as they knew it. Even if the decision had been made by that point, so far away from roll out they weren't going to send a company-wide memo on it. The staffer responded with the information that was current at the time, and it was never presented as a commitment for the future that they'd never change a la carte.
Saying “you will still be able to do this, but we reserve the right to change our answer at any time” doesn’t exactly build trust.
It doesn't have to, but it's unrealistic to expect a business to set their business model in stone, and it's extremely clear that nothing in the post was meant to represent a long-term commitment, just a statement of the facts as that individual knew them.
And also that post was from six months ago,
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
from one side paywalling homebrew would be unpopular decision and drop userbase (can't say for all but i'm definitely drop there) so sane company would prefer other solution and creating other, new features of ddb which could be behind paywall, there is many ways of improvents basically in every website aspects
from another.... uh it's very in style for DDB to make full anticustomer decisions just because they can
Seeing two related evvents occur and assuming that it means that a third, significantly different event will also occur is not pattern recognition.
It is called the Rule of Three, after all, and not the Rule of Two
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You’ve been continually burned, over and over again, usually a few times per year.
I certainly haven't. Removing a la carte didn't "burn" me at all; it'll cost WOTC a bit of money out of my pocket and slightly inconvenience me, but that's about it
Most of the other "crises" people shrieked about on these forums were also things that didn't impact me in a significant way, and I suspect I'm a lot closer to being in the majority than the minority
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I certainly haven't. Removing a la carte didn't "burn" me at all; it'll cost WOTC a bit of money out of my pocket and slightly inconvenience me, but that's about it
Most of the other "crises" people shrieked about on these forums were also things that didn't impact me in a significant way, and I suspect I'm a lot closer to being in the majority than the minority
I wouldn’t call the OGL situation, AI art controversy, One D&D backpedal, or Pinkertons scare “crises,” but these strange scandals aren’t entirely the fault of our perpetually dissatisfied community.
It seems to me that this company is unwilling to commit to anything, and when they do make unpopular decisions they never explain why until after news sites and forumgoers have gotten riled up about the issues. Clearer communication and better planning would go a long way in solving these issues before people are forced to make petitions and protest in the forums for attention.
And believe me, these things do impact ordinary people. Something silly like AI use in a book might not, but the marketplace changes most definitely do. Just check the D&D Beyond Feedback forum, where tons of folks who had never previously posted are protesting the change.
I’m starting to wonder if some of these changes are intentionally designed to generate attention. It gets news sites and YouTubers interested, after all, and the OGL drama blew up so much it got the attention of the Guardian and Washington Post. All the media exposure could very well end up as a net positive.
All in all, I just wish WotC would communicate with us and explain their motivations before going through with the changes. This way they could control the narrative and maybe put a dampener on the rampant speculation we see in threads like this one.
All in all, I just wish WotC would communicate with us and explain their motivations before going through with the changes. This way they could control the narrative and maybe put a dampener on the rampant speculation we see in threads like this one.
To be fair, with the OGL they were communicating before the changes - and they got burned pretty badly because someone decided to leak a draft. They dropped the ball for over weak after the leak, to be sure, but they did engage with the community after the delay, explain some pretty sensible reasons for wanting the changes, and actively listened to feedback. The community responded by forgetting the definition of the word “draft” and engaging in a vitriolic campaign where many simply refused to listen to anything that did not support their own narratives.
I am firmly in the camp that Wizards needs to be better at communicating. But communication is a two way street - if we, the community, are going to react with wrath and conspiracy regardless of whether Wizards communicates well or poorly, what incentive does Wizards have to engage with us in advance? If the rabid members of the community have no interest in dialogue, then there is really no reason for Wizards to start that dialogue early.
Communication is a two-way street. Wizards needs to do better… but so does a large segment of this community.
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With the loss of al a carte purchases, Hasbro now has every financial incentive to kill the homebrew tools off as well.
Make your voices heard. Don't sit in silence. If we wait for Chris Cox (Hasbro head of marketing) to have his way with DnDBeyond, we will lose the open and accessible platform we love. We are already loosing it as we speak.
Piracy is not a consumer issue, it's a marketplace issue.
This post is nothing short of fear mongering by an individual very, very clearly ill-informed on the subject. From misspelling Chris Cocks’ name to using the wrong title (he is the CEO of Hasbro, not CMO), to the completely groundless extrapolation on which they base their thread, it is pretty clear you should take this user’s thoughts with a massive grain of salt.
Actually, I would like to be the flip side of the coin on this one.
What if Hasbro discovers revenue drops significantly due to their choice. What if they discover they had been feeding on lower income folks who COULD spare $8-$10 on a few classes or races or such, but CAN'T really afford to drop $60-$80 for a full book? If anyone in the company knows and understands customer trends, they are already neatening and tidying the piecemeal options and availability (maybe a filter-able search function?) so one doesn't have to scan each book looking for their desired things. Something to sit on the back burner and see how the current change affects revenue. If profits start to fall, drop it on the site and watch that little red line start spiking again, as the lower income folks jump back into BUYING things.
Either scenario is simply us, minions of the hobby, with our own experiences, beliefs and ideas, speculating. Not a single word has been spoken officially about either of our ideas, so we're just brainstorming for them.
Talk to your Players. Talk to your DM. If more people used this advice, there would be 24.74% fewer threads on Tactics, Rules and DM discussions.
"With the loss of al a carte purchases, Hasbro now has every financial incentive to break into my house and kick my dog."
Guess I need to re-read the ToS again, because I don't need the pinkerton's showing up at my place! 😈
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
They're not going to realise this before the damage is so far gone that the conclusion will be to kill D&D Beyond instead of fix the mistakes.
There's a reason TSR was going broke in the late 90s.
No ,its pattern recognition, we saw first signs of this when some new books no longer had the peacemeal options, and knowing hasbros shitty track record, what a surpise they went and removed it for everything, so homebrew where people can basically create the peacemeal options for free from scratch would naturaly have to go next, it would make sense for a greedy soulless company that fires people from the one branch thats profitable just to make numbers look better
Seeing two related evvents occur and assuming that it means that a third, significantly different event will also occur is not pattern recognition.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
With the string of bad decisions WotC are incessant on drawing out, I wouldn't surprised if they did lock it behind a paywall. When we're told "the brand is really under monetised" and that they want to "unlock the type of recurrent spending you see in digital games", we'd better believe them sooner rather than later. Before anyone tries to tell me that was in reference to limiting the blood squeezed out of the DM's stone, look no further than at how that turned out for the piecemeal purchase options. They're going after the whales and it shows.
It seems to me some people simply enjoy having their boots pissed on. I'm not one of them and I certainly don't want to be told it's just rain.
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
It is far from "hypothetical", just six months ago an employee said this wasn't going to happen when The Book of Many Things went live with no piece meal.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/bugs-support/183978-the-book-of-many-things-issues-and-support-thread?comment=131
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Umm, if you actually read the post it made no guarantees for the future ad infinitum, just the current state of affairs as they knew it. Even if the decision had been made by that point, so far away from roll out they weren't going to send a company-wide memo on it. The staffer responded with the information that was current at the time, and it was never presented as a commitment for the future that they'd never change a la carte.
The capacity for continual trust in the same people that some forumers regularly display never ceases to amaze me. You’ve been continually burned, over and over again, usually a few times per year. How many other fandoms and games deal with these regular, seasonal company failures?
Saying “you will still be able to do this, but we reserve the right to change our answer at any time” doesn’t exactly build trust.
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It doesn't have to, but it's unrealistic to expect a business to set their business model in stone, and it's extremely clear that nothing in the post was meant to represent a long-term commitment, just a statement of the facts as that individual knew them.
And also that post was from six months ago,
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
from one side paywalling homebrew would be unpopular decision and drop userbase (can't say for all but i'm definitely drop there) so sane company would prefer other solution and creating other, new features of ddb which could be behind paywall, there is many ways of improvents basically in every website aspects
from another.... uh it's very in style for DDB to make full anticustomer decisions just because they can
It is called the Rule of Three, after all, and not the Rule of Two
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I certainly haven't. Removing a la carte didn't "burn" me at all; it'll cost WOTC a bit of money out of my pocket and slightly inconvenience me, but that's about it
Most of the other "crises" people shrieked about on these forums were also things that didn't impact me in a significant way, and I suspect I'm a lot closer to being in the majority than the minority
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Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
I wouldn’t call the OGL situation, AI art controversy, One D&D backpedal, or Pinkertons scare “crises,” but these strange scandals aren’t entirely the fault of our perpetually dissatisfied community.
It seems to me that this company is unwilling to commit to anything, and when they do make unpopular decisions they never explain why until after news sites and forumgoers have gotten riled up about the issues. Clearer communication and better planning would go a long way in solving these issues before people are forced to make petitions and protest in the forums for attention.
And believe me, these things do impact ordinary people. Something silly like AI use in a book might not, but the marketplace changes most definitely do. Just check the D&D Beyond Feedback forum, where tons of folks who had never previously posted are protesting the change.
I’m starting to wonder if some of these changes are intentionally designed to generate attention. It gets news sites and YouTubers interested, after all, and the OGL drama blew up so much it got the attention of the Guardian and Washington Post. All the media exposure could very well end up as a net positive.
All in all, I just wish WotC would communicate with us and explain their motivations before going through with the changes. This way they could control the narrative and maybe put a dampener on the rampant speculation we see in threads like this one.
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To be fair, with the OGL they were communicating before the changes - and they got burned pretty badly because someone decided to leak a draft. They dropped the ball for over weak after the leak, to be sure, but they did engage with the community after the delay, explain some pretty sensible reasons for wanting the changes, and actively listened to feedback. The community responded by forgetting the definition of the word “draft” and engaging in a vitriolic campaign where many simply refused to listen to anything that did not support their own narratives.
I am firmly in the camp that Wizards needs to be better at communicating. But communication is a two way street - if we, the community, are going to react with wrath and conspiracy regardless of whether Wizards communicates well or poorly, what incentive does Wizards have to engage with us in advance? If the rabid members of the community have no interest in dialogue, then there is really no reason for Wizards to start that dialogue early.
Communication is a two-way street. Wizards needs to do better… but so does a large segment of this community.