It starts with "all animals are equal" and is perverted into "but some are more equal than others" by the end. That's the point of the story. All distopias start by attempting to address perceived inequalities. They are all created by those who consider themselves lawful good.
No. They’re not. Some are created by people who are most definitely lawful evil.
It starts with "all animals are equal" and is perverted into "but some are more equal than others" by the end. That's the point of the story. All distopias start by attempting to address perceived inequalities. They are all created by those who consider themselves lawful good.
No. They’re not. Some are created by people who are most definitely lawful evil.
I agree. They're (EDIT) often created by people who claim to be Lawful Good... and words are cheap compared to actions and results.
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It starts with "all animals are equal" and is perverted into "but some are more equal than others" by the end. That's the point of the story. All distopias start by attempting to address perceived inequalities. They are all created by those who consider themselves lawful good.
No. They’re not. Some are created by people who are most definitely lawful evil.
I agree. They're (EDIT) often created by people who claim to be Lawful Good... and words are cheap compared to actions and results.
Perspective. Hitler thought he was good.
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I think chaotic evil characters make great individual villains. Lawful evil characters work better running evil organisations within a society. Lawful evil characters can certainly thrive in a dystopia, but to create one takes the kind of commitment and hubris you can only get from the truly righteous. After all, lawful evil characters know what they are doing is wrong; they just don't care. Only the lawful good would have the motivation to make the personal and societal sacrifices at the scale required to create a dystopia. Others may judge their actions as objectively evil. However, they believe themselves to be morally right. This is not the case with evil aligned D&D characters. Lawful evil or neutral evil characters would think, "why bother when someone else can do the dirty work." Chaotic evil characters would quickly get bored and do something else.
We get the word dystopia, not from people who deliberately tried to created hell on earth, but from those who tried to create a utopia and failed. A dystopia is not something that anyone consciously aims for. It's just where they all end up.
Folks. If y'all wanna keep your thread, you're gonna wanna bin the political discussion. While I'd generally be all for a good chewy polidebate and enjoy learning some history, the mods here are pretty vicious about clamping down on it.
Thanks for furthering the message, but I'd like to take task with the though of moderators being vicious.
The moderators here do an amazing job of keeping discussion civil and legal. Just compare pretty much unmoderated discussions on twitter etc and you can immediately see the difference.
The community team are committed to ensuring that D&D Beyond is a safe place for the community to come together and talk about D&D and D&D Beyond.
There are very specific reasons why certain (non-D&D) topics are against the rules - discussion of politics, religion and so forth often becomes heated and personal, as well as being completely off-topic for this site.
With that said, here is another reminder - if you wish to discuss Gender Equality in D&D then please do so, but no personal attacks, or real world politics.
I think chaotic evil characters make great individual villains. Lawful evil characters work better running evil organisations within a society. Lawful evil characters can certainly thrive in a dystopia, but to create one takes the kind of commitment and hubris you can only get from the truely righteous. After all, lawful evil characters know what they are doing is wrong; they just don't care. Only the lawful good would have the motivation to make the personal and societal sacrifices at the scale required to create a dystopia. Others may judge their actions as objectively evil. However, they believe themselves to be morally right. This is not the case with evil aligned D&D characters. Lawful evil or neutral evil characters would think, "why bother when someone else can do the dirty work." Chaotic evil characters would quickly get bored and do something else.
We get the word dystopia, not from people who deliberately tried to created hell on earth, but from those who tried to create a utpoia and failed. A dystopia is not something that anyone consciously aims for. It's just where they all end up.
Not exactly. A dystopia is just a vision of the future or of a world that is very negative. It often arises from a failed utopia, but doesn't necessarily have to.
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We tend to use ST - Story Teller as that is the role we see, not a master of proceedings but the fabricator of the story, telling the characters what they see and experience. DM is kinda deep ingrained into D&D though and hard to get away from when it's branded front and centre on one of the core rule books.
I also saw some posts referencing Champions ... and I gotta put a plug in for Mighty Protectors 3 (aka V&V 3e aka Villains and Vigilante's 3rd Ed) although I waste a lot of time between RPG sessions rolling endless unused characters in it because it's fun to do.
For me, it became gender-neutral over the years but it wasn't always like that.
Still, I get a feeling (which is just a feeling, not a fact) that many people still associate DM with the commonly-assumed-to-be-masculine designation of Dungeon Master. I think (and this is just a personal perception) it comes from seeing many people referring to men as "DMs" and women as "women DMs" instead of also just "DMs".
The acronym DM has always been gender-neutral; 'master' is not a masculine form (mistress is a feminine form, but is not actually the feminine of master; a mistress is a wife or consort of a master, not a female master). People refer to 'women DMs' for the same reason they specify 'woman' in any other job where women are unusual.
We tend to use ST - Story Teller as that is the role we see, not a master of proceedings but the fabricator of the story, telling the characters what they see and experience. DM is kinda deep ingrained into D&D though and hard to get away from when it's branded front and centre on one of the core rule books.
I also saw some posts referencing Champions ... and I gotta put a plug in for Mighty Protectors 3 (aka V&V 3e aka Villains and Vigilante's 3rd Ed) although I waste a lot of time between RPG sessions rolling endless unused characters in it because it's fun to do.
I’ve never heard of it, but I like superhero stuff, so I might check it out. Who makes it? Is it on DTRPG?
For me, it became gender-neutral over the years but it wasn't always like that.
Still, I get a feeling (which is just a feeling, not a fact) that many people still associate DM with the commonly-assumed-to-be-masculine designation of Dungeon Master. I think (and this is just a personal perception) it comes from seeing many people referring to men as "DMs" and women as "women DMs" instead of also just "DMs".
The acronym DM has always been gender-neutral; 'master' is not a masculine form (mistress is a feminine form, but is not actually the feminine of master; a mistress is a wife or consort of a master, not a female master). People refer to 'women DMs' for the same reason they specify 'woman' in any other job where women are unusual.
For me, it became gender-neutral over the years but it wasn't always like that.
Still, I get a feeling (which is just a feeling, not a fact) that many people still associate DM with the commonly-assumed-to-be-masculine designation of Dungeon Master. I think (and this is just a personal perception) it comes from seeing many people referring to men as "DMs" and women as "women DMs" instead of also just "DMs".
The acronym DM has always been gender-neutral; 'master' is not a masculine form (mistress is a feminine form, but is not actually the feminine of master; a mistress is a wife or consort of a master, not a female master). People refer to 'women DMs' for the same reason they specify 'woman' in any other job where women are unusual.
Hoping this is not considered off topic, however...
While you are correct that Mistress has that connotation, 'Master' is also a term for young boys, hence Robin, aka Dick Grayson traditionally being referred to as 'Young Master Dick by Alfred. And Mistress is also the feminine version of the commanding definition of Master. The female head of a school, particularly a university, college or girl's school is usually referred to as Headmistress. In English, words often have more than one meaning.
In German, the term used is Spielleiter, or 'Game Leader,' again a masculine noun and without the same dominance connotations. However that Game Leader would be gender neutral in English. There is a feminine in German is 'Spielleiterin,' which has no submissive connotations at all.
I did know the part about the headmistress. I just assumed it was the female version of headmaster.
No. They’re not. Some are created by people who are most definitely lawful evil.
I agree. They're (EDIT) often created by people who claim to be Lawful Good... and words are cheap compared to actions and results.
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider.
My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.
I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲
“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
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The moderators here do an amazing job of keeping discussion civil and legal. Just compare pretty much unmoderated discussions on twitter etc and you can immediately see the difference.
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There are very specific reasons why certain (non-D&D) topics are against the rules - discussion of politics, religion and so forth often becomes heated and personal, as well as being completely off-topic for this site.
With that said, here is another reminder - if you wish to discuss Gender Equality in D&D then please do so, but no personal attacks, or real world politics.
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I think chaotic evil characters make great individual villains. Lawful evil characters work better running evil organisations within a society. Lawful evil characters can certainly thrive in a dystopia, but to create one takes the kind of commitment and hubris you can only get from the truly righteous. After all, lawful evil characters know what they are doing is wrong; they just don't care. Only the lawful good would have the motivation to make the personal and societal sacrifices at the scale required to create a dystopia. Others may judge their actions as objectively evil. However, they believe themselves to be morally right. This is not the case with evil aligned D&D characters. Lawful evil or neutral evil characters would think, "why bother when someone else can do the dirty work." Chaotic evil characters would quickly get bored and do something else.
We get the word dystopia, not from people who deliberately tried to created hell on earth, but from those who tried to create a utopia and failed. A dystopia is not something that anyone consciously aims for. It's just where they all end up.
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Not exactly. A dystopia is just a vision of the future or of a world that is very negative. It often arises from a failed utopia, but doesn't necessarily have to.
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We tend to use ST - Story Teller as that is the role we see, not a master of proceedings but the fabricator of the story, telling the characters what they see and experience. DM is kinda deep ingrained into D&D though and hard to get away from when it's branded front and centre on one of the core rule books.
I also saw some posts referencing Champions ... and I gotta put a plug in for Mighty Protectors 3 (aka V&V 3e aka Villains and Vigilante's 3rd Ed) although I waste a lot of time between RPG sessions rolling endless unused characters in it because it's fun to do.
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I think if the term DM would have to change, I would prefer for it to become Dungeon Moderator or Dungeon Leader.
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I think the Acronym DM is as gender neutral as the word 'hero'. It is widely used for both sexes, but could be improved upon.
“I will take responsibility for what I have done. [...] If must fall, I will rise each time a better man.” ― Brandon Sanderson, Oathbringer.
The acronym DM has always been gender-neutral; 'master' is not a masculine form (mistress is a feminine form, but is not actually the feminine of master; a mistress is a wife or consort of a master, not a female master). People refer to 'women DMs' for the same reason they specify 'woman' in any other job where women are unusual.
I’ve never heard of it, but I like superhero stuff, so I might check it out. Who makes it? Is it on DTRPG?
Fascinating. Idk this.
DM could become dungeon maker. Some games use words like narrator or guide.
The most common term outside of D&D is probably game master (because, well, not every adventure is set inside of a dungeon).
I prefer GM or Game Master because it applies to every RPG.
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
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"real life is a super high CR."
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"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
Wait people associate dungeon master with being masculine?
I'm a native english speaker and always thought of the term as gender neutral.
I did know the part about the headmistress. I just assumed it was the female version of headmaster.
The ones that I can remember from the games I played that fall outside of GM/DM are:
WoD: Storyteller
LoTFP: referee
Nobilis: Hollyhock God
OSR: Judge
Dog Bear: Boss
Fellowship: Overlord
Apocalypse World: Master of Ceremonies
Agone: Éminence Grise
Toon: Animator
Stories from the grave: Grave Keeper