Except DDB isn't just a digital version of the book, which makes your post regarding it as such a straw man argument.
Not what I said. Please re-read the post and respond in kind or just agree with me. Since it's clear from your post that we agree, but you want to make me into your enemy for some reason.
Will there be offline access available for PC/Mac/Linux or are the apps only going to be available for iOS/Android/Windows Phone?
That's a really good question. I've only heard of iOS/Android apps in the works. And what I've read led me to the impression that those two apps would have offline access. I don't know about the rest. It would be nice, though!
DND Beyond is marketed as a supplement to tabletop, but other than the database it's essentially a digital copy of the books. So customers will draw a comparison between their physical books (that they already own, because you wouldn't be here unless you were already into D&D) and the digital servicebeing offered.
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If I were in charge of the product (based on armchair guesses as I don't have access to Twitch's numbers or pricing strategy) I would probably have not done digital sourcebooksat all, especially if the pricing would wind up being the cost of the physical books off of Amazon. Why? Because players will compare buying the actual thing off of Amazon versus the digital product here and some will complain.
Except DDB isn't just a digital version of the book, which makes your post regarding it as such a straw man argument.
Not what I said. Please re-read the post and respond in kind or just agree with me. Since it's clear from your post that we agree, but you want to make me into your enemy for some reason.
For someone who isn't saying DDB is just a digital version of the book, you sure throw around the term digital a lot when referencing DDB after offhandedly discounting the database, which you implied was the only thing to DDB outside of it being a digital version of the book. I'm not sure how people can be expected to read your original statement on its own and not come away with the impression that I did. I've re-read it multiple times, and I can maybe see where you are not making that claim, but that's only with a very careful reading specifically looking for it to not make that claim. Without knowing that ahead of time, your post is, at best, unclear.
Given that you specifically stated that DDB is essentially a digital copy of the books (even granting the database, I feel this grossly undervalues DDB and ignores a lot of what it has to offer), you would not offer the purchase of digital sourcebooks (I would), acknowledging the distinction between Curse and Wotc is pointless (I think it's a very important distinction), and online compendiums are not used often in practice (I use this compendium regularly at the table), there's not much of your post left upon which we could agree. Certainly not enough to simply say that we agree without any conditions. Unless, of course, your position is that I am entirely misinterpreting what you wrote.
Ok everyone, another warning to calm down, as I am now in the position of having to edit people's posts to remove offensive language and remove insults directed at specific users.
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I do not appreciate people taking my words and twisting them around so they can get mad at me for things I never said.
Here's a very simple PG dissection of my argument. Granted, my initial one did have a badly written sentence, I thought it was clear what I was saying. Apparently not.
CRich: Bad Eye specifically stated that there is a database and a digital copy of the book content available if you pay for it. That means that anyone thinking to buy into the product will probably compare a digital book and a database to the physical books. This is how people operate, I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's what I believe, what I am saying, is that if you truly disagree with this method of thinking then there is a solution to it. Remove the digital sourcebook content and price accordingly.
If all you have is a database then the perceived value of the product can better stand on its own. Roll20 and VTT are cursed with the fact that they offer digital options and then the books. Remove the books, you remove the problem.
I apologize if it seems like I have been trolling you. If you look at my posts responding to others, I think I am fairly consistent in advocating for a better understanding and appreciation for DDB and the staff that has put it together. I assure you that I had no intention of singling you out or purposefully misinterpreting your post. I genuinely read your post to mean what I described in my earlier posts. It appears that I was wrong, and I apologize for for my comments coming across as antagonistic.
Our disagreement seems to be less about what DDB is, and more about how to go about helping clarify what it is for others. Instead of accepting an incorrect assumption about it and working out a pricing structure from there, I would like to help others see why DDB, as it is set up now, is of much more value (in my opinion) than just having the books in a digital format.
Hopefully we can chalk this up as a misunderstanding between us that we let get a bit out of hand. I certainly don't want to see you, or anyone, banned from the forums or site over our difference of opinion.
There really is no point in any more complaining until pricing gets revealed.
Some product details would be nice:
1. Will I be able to buy the rulebook and have access to it on all my devices for that one price? My iPhone, my PC, my Android tablet.
2. Will I be able to print anything out?
3. Annotations and bookmarking, will they be supported, and will they sync across devices?
4. Will I be able to receive errata seamlessly, and not have to lose my bookmarks and annotations?
5. Will this be more than just a PDF with some custom DRM wrapper around it, like others have tried in the past?
6. Will native pinch and zoom be supported on tablets and phones?
7. What resolution will the graphics be in?
8. Will the rulebooks just be a page for page reproduction of the printed book, or will they be completely hyperlinked and searchable and be more database-like.?
Answers:
3. Not entirely sure what you mean with this one. Possibly something like what Kindle does? If so, no, it's not in for launch. If there's enough interest, we could explore that as a possibility.
Ok, here I am confused. Not by the question but the answer of #3.
Say I buy the adventure Tomb of Annihilation, how am I going to run this adventure if there is no way to make bookmarks or make notes. At the bare minimum, it seems like I need to be able to make bookmarks. When I run one of these big adventures from a physical book I make tabs, highlight, and make notes in the margins. I guess I just assumed those features would be there. These are features I NEED if I am going to run and adventurer from a digital book.
Ok, here I am confused. Not by the question but the answer of #3.
Say I buy the adventure Tomb of Annihilation, how am I going to run this adventure if there is no way to make bookmarks or make notes. At the bare minimum, it seems like I need to be able to make bookmarks. When I run one of these big adventures from a physical book I make tabs, highlight, and make notes in the margins. I guess I just assumed those features would be there. These are features I NEED if I am going to run and adventurer from a digital book.
I use post-it notes myself, with notes written on them in pencil, but I think I know what you mean.
You're talking about the ability to note down against room 15 of the dungeon, "The PCs smashed this wall down into room 12" but didn't discover the treasure hidden in the well yet?
Ok, here I am confused. Not by the question but the answer of #3.
Say I buy the adventure Tomb of Annihilation, how am I going to run this adventure if there is no way to make bookmarks or make notes. At the bare minimum, it seems like I need to be able to make bookmarks. When I run one of these big adventures from a physical book I make tabs, highlight, and make notes in the margins. I guess I just assumed those features would be there. These are features I NEED if I am going to run and adventurer from a digital book.
I use post-it notes myself, with notes written on them in pencil, but I think I know what you mean.
You're talking about the ability to note down against room 15 of the dungeon, "The PCs smashed this wall down into room 12" but didn't discover the treasure hidden in the well yet?
Ya, and most importantly some way to keep track of where you left off (bookmark where you are currently).
I also use small post-it notes as well. Especially with these more open world sandbox style adventures where your players can make changes to the world and come back later. I need a way to make notes on any changes. Maybe an NPC is mad at the players or maybe one is in love with one of the players. I normally note that one way or another right on the page.
If you want to see an app that does this amazingly well it is The Holy Bible app by YouVersion. You can highlight in multiple colors, make notes, and have multiple bookmarks. You can easily bring up a list of all your bookmarks, highlights, and notes and jump to that place in the text. It works incredibly well. You can also share your notes and highlights.
I apologize if it seems like I have been trolling you. If you look at my posts responding to others, I think I am fairly consistent in advocating for a better understanding and appreciation for DDB and the staff that has put it together. I assure you that I had no intention of singling you out or purposefully misinterpreting your post. I genuinely read your post to mean what I described in my earlier posts. It appears that I was wrong, and I apologize for for my comments coming across as antagonistic.
Our disagreement seems to be less about what DDB is, and more about how to go about helping clarify what it is for others. Instead of accepting an incorrect assumption about it and working out a pricing structure from there, I would like to help others see why DDB, as it is set up now, is of much more value (in my opinion) than just having the books in a digital format.
Hopefully we can chalk this up as a misunderstanding between us that we let get a bit out of hand. I certainly don't want to see you, or anyone, banned from the forums or site over our difference of opinion.
It's alright, I'll be the first to admit I can be a jerk.
I think it's a disagreement on the status of the brand. To me, the damage has already been done, so while you can explain the product better, it is what it is (in my opinion). So to me, it's just an exercise in better marketing. That and, I really wish tabletop games stopped bringing real world sensibilities to the virtual world.
Having a digital repository for the rules is great, but a lot of people seem to choose to learn the rules the first time in meatspace through reading the books or just learning from a friend, but for looking up rules and campaign management prefer digital options. So the information would be better served piecemeal, in a way that emphasizes looking up information over digesting it all at once. Which is what you get when you check the DBB database above, but the wording from forum posts and marketing from the staff makes it feel like it's just PDFs or something.
I long for the day that we get a digitally integrated system for RPGs that embraces what each medium does best.
I apologize if it seems like I have been trolling you. If you look at my posts responding to others, I think I am fairly consistent in advocating for a better understanding and appreciation for DDB and the staff that has put it together. I assure you that I had no intention of singling you out or purposefully misinterpreting your post. I genuinely read your post to mean what I described in my earlier posts. It appears that I was wrong, and I apologize for for my comments coming across as antagonistic.
Our disagreement seems to be less about what DDB is, and more about how to go about helping clarify what it is for others. Instead of accepting an incorrect assumption about it and working out a pricing structure from there, I would like to help others see why DDB, as it is set up now, is of much more value (in my opinion) than just having the books in a digital format.
Hopefully we can chalk this up as a misunderstanding between us that we let get a bit out of hand. I certainly don't want to see you, or anyone, banned from the forums or site over our difference of opinion.
It's alright, I'll be the first to admit I can be a jerk.
I think it's a disagreement on the status of the brand. To me, the damage has already been done, so while you can explain the product better, it is what it is (in my opinion). So to me, it's just an exercise in better marketing. That and, I really wish tabletop games stopped bringing real world sensibilities to the virtual world.
Having a digital repository for the rules is great, but a lot of people seem to choose to learn the rules the first time in meatspace through reading the books or just learning from a friend, but for looking up rules and campaign management prefer digital options. So the information would be better served piecemeal, in a way that emphasizes looking up information over digesting it all at once. Which is what you get when you check the DBB database above, but the wording from forum posts and marketing from the staff makes it feel like it's just PDFs or something.
I long for the day that we get a digitally integrated system for RPGs that embraces what each medium does best.
You're basing that on marketing that isn't complete. I can assure you, more details are coming, in addition to ways for you to have a trial sample of what the content is in digital format.
Most of the issue is not that we are not communicating what the product is - it's impatience that is ever-present in media these days.
Still would like to know if I am going to see ads if I buy a digital rule book but don't get a subscription. Ads on the website I can deal with Ads on the digital rule book would be bothersome
Also, what is the refund policy on digital rule books?
Still would like to know if I am going to see ads if I buy a digital rule book but don't get a subscription. Ads on the website I can deal with Ads on the digital rule book would be bothersome
Am curious as well. I don't mind paying for the books again, but I do mind paying for the books and get ads thrown my way :\.
One thing I'm a little uncertain on is should my wife have a separate account from me... If I buy the books on my account, then they won't be available for her. I have a physical book, I'm okay rebuying it as a digital once, not twice... Will sharing of an account within a family work or will there be attempts to block that?
Still would like to know if I am going to see ads if I buy a digital rule book but don't get a subscription. Ads on the website I can deal with Ads on the digital rule book would be bothersome
Am curious as well. I don't mind paying for the books again, but I do mind paying for the books and get ads thrown my way :\.
One thing I'm a little uncertain on is should my wife have a separate account from me... If I buy the books on my account, then they won't be available for her. I have a physical book, I'm okay rebuying it as a digital once, not twice... Will sharing of an account within a family work or will there be attempts to block that?
you could have her get a free account set up and then invite her to a campaign, that would allow her to share your books.
Still would like to know if I am going to see ads if I buy a digital rule book but don't get a subscription. Ads on the website I can deal with Ads on the digital rule book would be bothersome
Am curious as well. I don't mind paying for the books again, but I do mind paying for the books and get ads thrown my way :\.
One thing I'm a little uncertain on is should my wife have a separate account from me... If I buy the books on my account, then they won't be available for her. I have a physical book, I'm okay rebuying it as a digital once, not twice... Will sharing of an account within a family work or will there be attempts to block that?
you could have her get a free account set up and then invite her to a campaign, that would allow her to share your books.
That requires a monthly subscription.
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Will there be offline access available for PC/Mac/Linux or are the apps only going to be available for iOS/Android/Windows Phone?
Offline PC access is kind of a must for me.
Another question that came to mind. A subscription is required in order to get rid of ads. Does this mean I will see ads when I view my rulebooks?
EDIT: I admit I got pissed off here. Still pissed off because I think CRich is a troll, so I wrote a better post below. Sorry to Stormknight.
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I do not appreciate people taking my words and twisting them around so they can get mad at me for things I never said.
Here's a very simple PG dissection of my argument. Granted, my initial one did have a badly written sentence, I thought it was clear what I was saying. Apparently not.
CRich: Bad Eye specifically stated that there is a database and a digital copy of the book content available if you pay for it. That means that anyone thinking to buy into the product will probably compare a digital book and a database to the physical books. This is how people operate, I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's what I believe, what I am saying, is that if you truly disagree with this method of thinking then there is a solution to it. Remove the digital sourcebook content and price accordingly.
If all you have is a database then the perceived value of the product can better stand on its own. Roll20 and VTT are cursed with the fact that they offer digital options and then the books. Remove the books, you remove the problem.
Orphansmith,
I apologize if it seems like I have been trolling you. If you look at my posts responding to others, I think I am fairly consistent in advocating for a better understanding and appreciation for DDB and the staff that has put it together. I assure you that I had no intention of singling you out or purposefully misinterpreting your post. I genuinely read your post to mean what I described in my earlier posts. It appears that I was wrong, and I apologize for for my comments coming across as antagonistic.
Our disagreement seems to be less about what DDB is, and more about how to go about helping clarify what it is for others. Instead of accepting an incorrect assumption about it and working out a pricing structure from there, I would like to help others see why DDB, as it is set up now, is of much more value (in my opinion) than just having the books in a digital format.
Hopefully we can chalk this up as a misunderstanding between us that we let get a bit out of hand. I certainly don't want to see you, or anyone, banned from the forums or site over our difference of opinion.
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D&D Beyond FoundersStill would like to know if I am going to see ads if I buy a digital rule book but don't get a subscription. Ads on the website I can deal with Ads on the digital rule book would be bothersome
Also, what is the refund policy on digital rule books?
Refund policy has not been stated yet, but I imagine it'll be similar to Amazon's. This is an Amazon company that's making DDB.
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Am curious as well. I don't mind paying for the books again, but I do mind paying for the books and get ads thrown my way :\.
One thing I'm a little uncertain on is should my wife have a separate account from me... If I buy the books on my account, then they won't be available for her. I have a physical book, I'm okay rebuying it as a digital once, not twice... Will sharing of an account within a family work or will there be attempts to block that?
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