Quick question, and forgive me cause this may have been answered before. I'm planning on getting a master subscription and purchasing at least the players handbook, dm guide, and monster manual, so i can share those sources with my group. I understand that the players handbook and dm guide unlock classes, subclasses, and magical items etc that can be integrated into the character sheets, however i'm unsure of what purpose unlocking the monsters from the monster manual serves? is it just to have access to seeing their stat blocks online?
Quick question, and forgive me cause this may have been answered before. I'm planning on getting a master subscription and purchasing at least the players handbook, dm guide, and monster manual, so i can share those sources with my group. I understand that the players handbook and dm guide unlock classes, subclasses, and magical items etc that can be integrated into the character sheets, however i'm unsure of what purpose unlocking the monsters from the monster manual serves? is it just to have access to seeing their stat blocks online?
Purchasing the MM allows you to access to the monster lore and to thos monsters which are not present in the basic rules.
My current problem is that it seams the campaign feature only support 12 characters and not 12 players. I have a campaign where players play multiple characters in different sessions depending on how many that are there.
When I bought the content and subscription we all assumed that it's 12 players per campaign and a higher threshold on characters so each of the 7 players could join with 2 chars.
Is there any plans on a metric conversion button? That would also be really nice
I totally agree, I just made a significant expense buying all the Core books, the sword coast guide, and two adventures. The expenses pile up. especially when you can get all this content online for free. I'm willing to pay for the subscription. no problem! but please have some extra discount for the people that have a hard copy of the material.
You shouldn't be taxed this high to support the company!
Some recommended reading for people who: a) think WotC is trying to nickel and dime you by asking you to pay for content again b) are concerned about what you're getting for your money compared with the physical books c) are concerned about the pricing structure
That post lost me when they tried to equate a physical store to DDB. They're not the same. I don't buy a new PHB just because I'm in a new store. DDB is asking you to buy your books again because you're now in a different store.
You can try all the mental gymnastics you want, but the fact remains that you are paying twice for the same books.
You can try all the mental gymnastics you want, but the fact remains that you are paying twice for the same books.
Basically, this is what you are paying for...
"This purchase unlocks the entire contents of the book version for use with D&D Beyond, including the book in digital format in the game compendium and access to all the content’s options in the searchable listings, character builder, and digital sheet."
Not paying for the content so much as you are use of the content, related to DDB.
Already own the book physically? Cool.. but you can't use it's content with the site... Want to use it's content with the site? Pay for the above mentioned options....
I totally agree, I just made a significant expense buying all the Core books, the sword coast guide, and two adventures. The expenses pile up. especially when you can get all this content online for free. I'm willing to pay for the subscription. no problem! but please have some extra discount for the people that have a hard copy of the material.
You shouldn't be taxed this high to support the company!
Some recommended reading for people who: a) think WotC is trying to nickel and dime you by asking you to pay for content again b) are concerned about what you're getting for your money compared with the physical books c) are concerned about the pricing structure
That post lost me when they tried to equate a physical store to DDB. They're not the same. I don't buy a new PHB just because I'm in a new store. DDB is asking you to buy your books again because you're now in a different store.
You can try all the mental gymnastics you want, but the fact remains that you are paying twice for the same books.
Yes, you are paying twice. But that's exactly the point. If you buy a regular copy from one game store, should you expect to get a free "special edition" copy from another store? No. They would ask you to buy it again at full price, EVEN THOUGH THE CONTENT IS THE SAME. You have no entitlement to that content even though you already bought it from somebody else. What D&D Beyond is offering is like a different form of the content, a "special edition" in a way. It provides access to the content in an easily usable format across many devices (with soon to be offline access). It provides use of that content in their character and campaign management tools which will be receiving many new and exciting features very soon. It comes alongside a vibrant and helpful forum community and the makers of Dungeon Life D&D video series who have been doing amazing work.
And yes, D&D Beyond has a very similar sales model to game stores, albeit with more options than they provide. Granted, what you're paying for is access to the content, and not the physical content itself. But that's where the subjective value comes into play. If you can't find value in that, then nobody is forcing you to buy it. Just like nobody in store B is forcing you to buy that "special edition". You can continue to use the books you have as you always have been.
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It was a very clear and assertive way to put it, and you are undeniably right.
I have some experience in sales, and I have learned that it is not always the best idea to put products on the market that directly compete with each other. Especially when your business depends on a loyal customer base.
After buying "Tales of the Yawning Portal" I understood what you are talking about, but in my particular case. I think owning both the book and the DnD beyond version is not going to be much use ( for the adventures only, the rulebooks are AWESOME and totally worth it).
I was just giving my point of view from what a loyal ( +20 years) customer wants from the company.
I have seen many people complaining about having to buy the books "again" and don't think I've seen the one answer that really explains it...
DDB is not WotC. DDB purchased a licence from WotC to sell digital copies of the books. WotC gets their money from the license fee, DDB gets their money from selling the digital version. DDB uses that money to pay their costs.
You didn't buy your hardcover books from DDB, but from WotC. WotC is not charging you twice. Since DDB didn't sell you the physical copies, they can't give you a discount for owning them. Since WotC isn't DDB, and isn't selling the digital versions, they can't/won't offer a discount code for something they don't sell.
The mistake, perhaps, is that WotC doesn't create their own digital version, then they can offer discounts.
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"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
I understand some of the complaints, but, if I buy a board game like RISK, then buy the computer version, am I getting ripped off? No, they are two distinct items. If you use TurboTax you are paying for something that you can pick up at the Post Office, it is the convenience, plus my players will never forget their character sheet.
I've been playing D&D since the early 80s, I haven't been ripped off with buying a newer version of the same game (I didn't buy 4e). I really don't miss "THAC0" and all the extra math.
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It is easier to stay out than get out. -Twain
Being right too soon is socially unacceptable. -RAH
The direction is digital. Period. The era of the physical book is drawing to a close. It's like debit cards vs cash. And when is the last time you wrote a check? Check - what's a check?? You can view your D&D data on your phone, tablet, PC or anywhere the net is. Everywhere.
Yes, we have the physical books. However, in a short time we wont. There will be updates to the core set that will update your content but with a printed book would require another physical purchase. As long as purchase of the CORE data includes all future updates this platform is OK with me. If WOTC tries to charge for major core data updates users should bail.
I did notice in the polls that most users did NOT favor a subscription. I figure subscription with one-time data purchases is the only way this could work.
Now WOTC has to include an virtual table top such as Roll20. WOTC should just buy Roll20, brand it, and make it better. Yup.
The direction is digital. Period. The era of the physical book is drawing to a close. It's like debit cards vs cash. And when is the last time you wrote a check? Check - what's a check?? You can view your D&D data on your phone, tablet, PC or anywhere the net is. Everywhere.
Yes, we have the physical books. However, in a short time we wont. There will be updates to the core set that will update your content but with a printed book would require another physical purchase. As long as purchase of the CORE data includes all future updates this platform is OK with me. If WOTC tries to charge for major core data updates users should bail.
I did notice in the polls that most users did NOT favor a subscription. I figure subscription with one-time data purchases is the only way this could work.
Now WOTC has to include an virtual table top such as Roll20. WOTC should just buy Roll20, brand it, and make it better. Yup.
That would be pointless since WotC does not own Curse or D&D Beyond, which are owned by Twitch.
MODs: your moderation life might be easier if you put a big disclaimer on the forums and main DDB page that said "DDB & Curse are owned by Twitch, and pay a licence fee to WotC for the D&D trademark."
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"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
Regardless of who owns and operates the front-end and/or back-end of D&D Beyond (which I am happy to say I have a Master subscription and I am enjoying it!), WOTC owns the DATA and I am sure they have a tight grip on what CURSE (or any licencee) can do with it. In other words..
Hoover Dam, as remarkable as it is, would be useless without the Colorado River. Hoover Dam: CURSE. Colorado River: WOTC. Therefore, I expect WOTC has more say regarding pricing and general presentation of D&D BEYOND then "pointless" may allude. I do however appreciate your reply as I am now better informed about who owns the dam.
I'm just here putting my two cents in. Having some fun.
Quick question, and forgive me cause this may have been answered before. I'm planning on getting a master subscription and purchasing at least the players handbook, dm guide, and monster manual, so i can share those sources with my group. I understand that the players handbook and dm guide unlock classes, subclasses, and magical items etc that can be integrated into the character sheets, however i'm unsure of what purpose unlocking the monsters from the monster manual serves? is it just to have access to seeing their stat blocks online?
i understand, but what does access to monsters entail? access to their stat blocks in the compendium?
My current problem is that it seams the campaign feature only support 12 characters and not 12 players. I have a campaign where players play multiple characters in different sessions depending on how many that are there.
When I bought the content and subscription we all assumed that it's 12 players per campaign and a higher threshold on characters so each of the 7 players could join with 2 chars.
Is there any plans on a metric conversion button? That would also be really nice
But it appears that not all the detailed information is there. For instance, Lycanthropy rules under Werewolves.
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I purchased legendary level. but in the marketplace it show this:
$24.99$1.99Discounted for previously purchased content
I guess this is a bug, as I can access the 7 modules just fine.
I have a question regarding the Hero, Master Tier and Campaigns. I didn't find a clear answer.
Player A has the Hero Tier sub and the PHB.
Player B just a Hero Tier sub.
And Player C has the Master Tier sub.
Can every player access the PHB if we join a campaign or does the Master Tier sub need to own the PHB?
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Thanks for the thorough explanation.
It was a very clear and assertive way to put it, and you are undeniably right.
I have some experience in sales, and I have learned that it is not always the best idea to put products on the market that directly compete with each other. Especially when your business depends on a loyal customer base.
After buying "Tales of the Yawning Portal" I understood what you are talking about, but in my particular case. I think owning both the book and the DnD beyond version is not going to be much use ( for the adventures only, the rulebooks are AWESOME and totally worth it).
I was just giving my point of view from what a loyal ( +20 years) customer wants from the company.
Thanks again for that explanation.
Happy Hunting Everyone
TL;DR: DDB isn't WotC, and vice/versa.
I have seen many people complaining about having to buy the books "again" and don't think I've seen the one answer that really explains it...
DDB is not WotC. DDB purchased a licence from WotC to sell digital copies of the books. WotC gets their money from the license fee, DDB gets their money from selling the digital version. DDB uses that money to pay their costs.
You didn't buy your hardcover books from DDB, but from WotC. WotC is not charging you twice. Since DDB didn't sell you the physical copies, they can't give you a discount for owning them. Since WotC isn't DDB, and isn't selling the digital versions, they can't/won't offer a discount code for something they don't sell.
The mistake, perhaps, is that WotC doesn't create their own digital version, then they can offer discounts.
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
I understand some of the complaints, but, if I buy a board game like RISK, then buy the computer version, am I getting ripped off? No, they are two distinct items. If you use TurboTax you are paying for something that you can pick up at the Post Office, it is the convenience, plus my players will never forget their character sheet.
I've been playing D&D since the early 80s, I haven't been ripped off with buying a newer version of the same game (I didn't buy 4e). I really don't miss "THAC0" and all the extra math.
The universe never did make sense; I suspect it was built on government contract. -RAH
It is easier to stay out than get out. -Twain
Being right too soon is socially unacceptable. -RAH
The direction is digital. Period. The era of the physical book is drawing to a close. It's like debit cards vs cash. And when is the last time you wrote a check? Check - what's a check?? You can view your D&D data on your phone, tablet, PC or anywhere the net is. Everywhere.
Yes, we have the physical books. However, in a short time we wont. There will be updates to the core set that will update your content but with a printed book would require another physical purchase. As long as purchase of the CORE data includes all future updates this platform is OK with me. If WOTC tries to charge for major core data updates users should bail.
I did notice in the polls that most users did NOT favor a subscription. I figure subscription with one-time data purchases is the only way this could work.
Now WOTC has to include an virtual table top such as Roll20. WOTC should just buy Roll20, brand it, and make it better. Yup.
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
Regardless of who owns and operates the front-end and/or back-end of D&D Beyond (which I am happy to say I have a Master subscription and I am enjoying it!), WOTC owns the DATA and I am sure they have a tight grip on what CURSE (or any licencee) can do with it. In other words..
Hoover Dam, as remarkable as it is, would be useless without the Colorado River. Hoover Dam: CURSE. Colorado River: WOTC. Therefore, I expect WOTC has more say regarding pricing and general presentation of D&D BEYOND then "pointless" may allude. I do however appreciate your reply as I am now better informed about who owns the dam.
I'm just here putting my two cents in. Having some fun.
Peace.