Let's just call it 5th Ed. Revised. I'd be satisfied with that. In the academic world, revisions happen all the time. They even happen, albeit more rarely, in the entertainment world. Tolkein revised his stuff over time.
The trick there is they don’t call the current edition 5th edition, so it makes it hard to have a revised version of it. The current edition, officially, is just called Dungeons & Dragons. They said back in 2014 they wanted to get away from numbered editions. The community calls it 5th edition. Sometimes a developer might call it such casually just for the sake of clarity and simplicity. But officially it’s not 5e.
Let's just call it 5th Ed. Revised. I'd be satisfied with that. In the academic world, revisions happen all the time. They even happen, albeit more rarely, in the entertainment world. Tolkein revised his stuff over time.
The trick there is they don’t call the current edition 5th edition, so it makes it hard to have a revised version of it. The current edition, officially, is just called Dungeons & Dragons. They said back in 2014 they wanted to get away from numbered editions. The community calls it 5th edition. Sometimes a developer might call it such casually just for the sake of clarity and simplicity. But officially it’s not 5e.
The books refer to it as 5th edition. Whether they mentally refer to it as 5e I don't know, the community calls it 5e, the Devs refer to it as 5e, it functions as 5e, the books refer to it as 5e, third parties refer to it as 5e...sooner or later, if something has plenty of the characteristics of a duck without really contradicting it... it's a duck.
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Let's just call it 5th Ed. Revised. I'd be satisfied with that. In the academic world, revisions happen all the time. They even happen, albeit more rarely, in the entertainment world. Tolkein revised his stuff over time.
I personally prefer 5.5e. That way, we can accurately communicate what version of the rules we're talking about.
If I tell someone we will be playing 5th edition, and there are two different versions of 5th edition, they are very likely to be confused as to which variant we are playing.
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Let's just call it 5th Ed. Revised. I'd be satisfied with that. In the academic world, revisions happen all the time. They even happen, albeit more rarely, in the entertainment world. Tolkein revised his stuff over time.
The trick there is they don’t call the current edition 5th edition, so it makes it hard to have a revised version of it. The current edition, officially, is just called Dungeons & Dragons. They said back in 2014 they wanted to get away from numbered editions. The community calls it 5th edition. Sometimes a developer might call it such casually just for the sake of clarity and simplicity. But officially it’s not 5e.
The books refer to it as 5th edition. Whether they mentally refer to it as 5e I don't know, the community calls it 5e, the Devs refer to it as 5e, it functions as 5e, the books refer to it as 5e, third parties refer to it as 5e...sooner or later, if something has plenty of the characteristics of a duck without really contradicting it... it's a duck.
They do? Serious question. Because I just double checked my PHB and DMG and don’t see that anywhere. If I missed it, which is entirely possible, I’ll stop saying they don’t call it that.
No, there was no "5e" mentioned in earlier prints, because they decided Dungeons & Dragons (5th edition) was going to be an "evergreen product": an evergreen product is a product that is "continually relevant and long lasting, without any new edition."
Let's just call it 5th Ed. Revised. I'd be satisfied with that. In the academic world, revisions happen all the time. They even happen, albeit more rarely, in the entertainment world. Tolkein revised his stuff over time.
The trick there is they don’t call the current edition 5th edition, so it makes it hard to have a revised version of it. The current edition, officially, is just called Dungeons & Dragons. They said back in 2014 they wanted to get away from numbered editions. The community calls it 5th edition. Sometimes a developer might call it such casually just for the sake of clarity and simplicity. But officially it’s not 5e.
The books refer to it as 5th edition. Whether they mentally refer to it as 5e I don't know, the community calls it 5e, the Devs refer to it as 5e, it functions as 5e, the books refer to it as 5e, third parties refer to it as 5e...sooner or later, if something has plenty of the characteristics of a duck without really contradicting it... it's a duck.
They do? Serious question. Because I just double checked my PHB and DMG and don’t see that anywhere. If I missed it, which is entirely possible, I’ll stop saying they don’t call it that.
I checked my copy of Rime of the Frostmaiden (being the closest D&D book I had to me) and it tells you that you need to have the "fifth edition core rulebooks". I'd post a photo, but I'm unsure of the rules on this site.
I mean, it's possible it's a single "slip up" and I just happened to pick the one book that has it...but it also makes sense that they have to refer to it in someway that differentiates it from, say, 4e, and I've only ever seen 5e in that context.
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There ain't a big "5E" on them, but my print copies of Volo's and XGtE have "for use with the 5th edition PHB, MM, and DMG" note on the back cover.
EDIT: been meaning to shelve those so when I did, pulled my PHB and MM. PHB back cover has the note "When you're ready for even more, expand your adventures with the fifth edition Dungeon Master's Guide and Monster Manual." MM has similar verbiage putting in PHB and DMG in that order. Both books claim to be first printings, so....
Again, no big "5e" branding but the back cover text clearly explains these books are for use with 5th edition.
Let's just call it 5th Ed. Revised. I'd be satisfied with that. In the academic world, revisions happen all the time. They even happen, albeit more rarely, in the entertainment world. Tolkein revised his stuff over time.
The trick there is they don’t call the current edition 5th edition, so it makes it hard to have a revised version of it. The current edition, officially, is just called Dungeons & Dragons. They said back in 2014 they wanted to get away from numbered editions. The community calls it 5th edition. Sometimes a developer might call it such casually just for the sake of clarity and simplicity. But officially it’s not 5e.
The books refer to it as 5th edition. Whether they mentally refer to it as 5e I don't know, the community calls it 5e, the Devs refer to it as 5e, it functions as 5e, the books refer to it as 5e, third parties refer to it as 5e...sooner or later, if something has plenty of the characteristics of a duck without really contradicting it... it's a duck.
They do? Serious question. Because I just double checked my PHB and DMG and don’t see that anywhere. If I missed it, which is entirely possible, I’ll stop saying they don’t call it that.
I checked my copy of Rime of the Frostmaiden (being the closest D&D book I had to me) and it tells you that you need to have the "fifth edition core rulebooks". I'd post a photo, but I'm unsure of the rules on this site.
I mean, it's possible it's a single "slip up" and I just happened to pick the one book that has it...but it also makes sense that they have to refer to it in someway that differentiates it from, say, 4e, and I've only ever seen 5e in that context.
Well, I’ll be damned. It does say it on the back cover. I guess that’s on me for never reading that far. Thank you for the correction.
Let's just call it 5th Ed. Revised. I'd be satisfied with that. In the academic world, revisions happen all the time. They even happen, albeit more rarely, in the entertainment world. Tolkein revised his stuff over time.
I personally prefer 5.5e. That way, we can accurately communicate what version of the rules we're talking about.
If I tell someone we will be playing 5th edition, and there are two different versions of 5th edition, they are very likely to be confused as to which variant we are playing.
On the back of publishing cover "For use with fifth edition..." but that's the only references I could find as there are several editions before then, though 5th edition was supposed to be their "evergreen" edition, especially if you purchase digital.
Could you imagine buying $1,000 digital bundle today, and it's worthless a year later? They can just discontinue all your 5th edition digital purchases, like the way of Volo's Guide to Monsters and Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes now delisted, because they know what's best for you and your D&D universe.
They didn’t “discontinue” access to those books if you already paid for them, they’re just not offering new licenses for that content. I still have access to all the legacy content I paid for, which was both of the now legacy books.
On the back of publishing cover "For use with fifth edition..." but that's the only references I could find as there are several editions before then, though 5th edition was supposed to be their "evergreen" edition, especially if you purchase digital.
Could you imagine buying $1,000 digital bundle today, and it's worthless a year later? They can just discontinue all your 5th edition digital purchases, like the way of Volo's Guide to Monsters and Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes now delisted, because they know what's best for you and your D&D universe.
Legacy just means they are not selling them to new customers. So, I can't buy either book now, but there are others that who had already bought them and they have full access to them (albeit with a legacy tag and a warning saying they're no longer the current version).
You are correct inasmuch as they have the rights to cancel your access tomorrow, but that's not the way things are going (you gave the precedent they've set of making books legacy instead) and it would be a really dumb business decision to upset customers like that for so little gain. It's a clause more for the situation where the website has to be permanently closed. It's also not a 5e thing but the nature of the beast of a cloud based electronic service - as I referenced, they need to be able to shut down one day and not be legally on the hook for basically everything they've ever sold.
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It's funny how people are up in arms about books such as volo's no longer being sold on DnD beyond.... Like, y'know, exactly what happens in actual physical shops when newer products appear.
There ain't a big "5E" on them, but my print copies of Volo's and XGtE have "for use with the 5th edition PHB, MM, and DMG" note on the back cover.
EDIT: been meaning to shelve those so when I did, pulled my PHB and MM. PHB back cover has the note "When you're ready for even more, expand your adventures with the fifth edition Dungeon Master's Guide and Monster Manual." MM has similar verbiage putting in PHB and DMG in that order. Both books claim to be first printings, so....
Again, no big "5e" branding but the back cover text clearly explains these books are for use with 5th edition.
That’s on the back of every non-core sourcebook or adventure module.
But you can still find the physical book if you wanted to on Amazon, Ebay, etc. or find services that offer reprinting, or find reprinting service sales, that's how I bought hardcover of D&D Rules Cyclopedia during the pandemic - it was $50 and it was such a great print, like I pulled it off the bookshelf at the local bookstore (dude had 20 for sale on Ebay, I got the last one).
But you can still find the physical book if you wanted to on Amazon, Ebay, etc. or find services that offer reprinting, or find reprinting service sales, that's how I bought hardcover of D&D Rules Cyclopedia during the pandemic - it was $50 and it was such a great print, like I pulled it off the bookshelf at the local bookstore (dude had 20 for sale on Ebay, I got the last one).
DMsGuild has that hardcover for ~$30, lots of folks buy DMsGuild and then upsell them at on eBay, Amazon, local book stores, etc. The practice is frowned upon by eBay, Amazon, etc.
I don't know how that factors into legacy content on a service whose marketplace intends to offer the most current version of the game though.
True, they just released hardcover (wasn't available 2 years ago), but the reprint I purchased for $20 more on Ebay is like brand new AAA quality, while DMS Guild might reprint it, the hardcover copy print is really bad from them, here is quote from one of the reviews:
"The print quality however is.... not so good. The print is blurry but still legible, looks like WotC has a bad scan of the original. This makes it okay for reference, but if you plan to read this cover-to-cover to learn the system... prepare your headache meds. It's like reading from arms length with someone else's glasses."
So who had the license to reprint it? To my knowledge only DMsGuild has the right to produce reprints of any WotC or TSR D&D product, even two years ago. I may be wrong, but your deal sounds pirate sketchy.
You do realize PoD quality does fluctuate for a number of reasons, even today, and sore customer reviews amongst an otherwise highly rated product, while often sales skewing, aren't necessarily a universal beef. Don't get me wrong, some DMsGuild reprints have proverbially "blown", but others are quite nice, especially some of the deep cuts.
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Here are the links in case you'd like to ask permission to reproduce and use things: Submit a request – D&D (wizards.com) and here is their content policy Fan Content Policy | Wizards of the Coast - you'll be surprised how generous they are, as long as you ask. Their move is now movie/streaming/television media = that's where the money is at, not selling digital content and books, so it's in their interest to control 80% of the market and become a household name.
Here are the links in case you'd like to ask permission to reproduce and use things: Submit a request – D&D (wizards.com) and here is their content policy Fan Content Policy | Wizards of the Coast - you'll be surprised how generous they are, as long as you ask. Their move is now movie/streaming/television media = that's where the money is at, not selling digital content and books, so it's in their interest to control 80% of the market and become a household name.
Only replying because this post is at best misinformation.
Maybe you sent me the wrong link, but the Fan Content Policy absolutely does not authorize anyone to produce these reprints. The first two bold terms of the Fan Content Policy
1. One word: F-R-E-E.
2. Tell the Community it’s unofficial.
I could go on, but it's very clear the Fan Content policy is not the authority one would use to engage in complete reproductions. And if there were a official licensed reprinter of past TSR/WotC material, they wouldn't be as murky and under the radar in terms of source as these ads vibe.
Anyway, in terms of the policy you're pretending to cite, the reprints woulc clearly be in violation by the ad selling what it purports to be "licensed reprints." As I type this, there are a number of eBay stores, some purportedly based in bricks and mortar stores, selling the book with the exact same copy. For folks who investigate modern day bootlegging, that's a tell.
This is just basic publishing trades fact; and has nothing to do with 80% control of the market or whatever you're trying to say there, nor does the easy availability of bootleg print runs of the game's prior editions have anything to do with the present 5e growing into 5eR or 6e or whatever One D&D calls itself.
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The trick there is they don’t call the current edition 5th edition, so it makes it hard to have a revised version of it. The current edition, officially, is just called Dungeons & Dragons. They said back in 2014 they wanted to get away from numbered editions.
The community calls it 5th edition. Sometimes a developer might call it such casually just for the sake of clarity and simplicity. But officially it’s not 5e.
The books refer to it as 5th edition. Whether they mentally refer to it as 5e I don't know, the community calls it 5e, the Devs refer to it as 5e, it functions as 5e, the books refer to it as 5e, third parties refer to it as 5e...sooner or later, if something has plenty of the characteristics of a duck without really contradicting it... it's a duck.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
I personally prefer 5.5e. That way, we can accurately communicate what version of the rules we're talking about.
If I tell someone we will be playing 5th edition, and there are two different versions of 5th edition, they are very likely to be confused as to which variant we are playing.
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HERE.They do? Serious question. Because I just double checked my PHB and DMG and don’t see that anywhere. If I missed it, which is entirely possible, I’ll stop saying they don’t call it that.
No, there was no "5e" mentioned in earlier prints, because they decided Dungeons & Dragons (5th edition) was going to be an "evergreen product": an evergreen product is a product that is "continually relevant and long lasting, without any new edition."
I checked my copy of Rime of the Frostmaiden (being the closest D&D book I had to me) and it tells you that you need to have the "fifth edition core rulebooks". I'd post a photo, but I'm unsure of the rules on this site.
I mean, it's possible it's a single "slip up" and I just happened to pick the one book that has it...but it also makes sense that they have to refer to it in someway that differentiates it from, say, 4e, and I've only ever seen 5e in that context.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
There ain't a big "5E" on them, but my print copies of Volo's and XGtE have "for use with the 5th edition PHB, MM, and DMG" note on the back cover.
EDIT: been meaning to shelve those so when I did, pulled my PHB and MM. PHB back cover has the note "When you're ready for even more, expand your adventures with the fifth edition Dungeon Master's Guide and Monster Manual." MM has similar verbiage putting in PHB and DMG in that order. Both books claim to be first printings, so....
Again, no big "5e" branding but the back cover text clearly explains these books are for use with 5th edition.
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Well, I’ll be damned. It does say it on the back cover. I guess that’s on me for never reading that far. Thank you for the correction.
Call the new one R5e (Revised 5th Edition).
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On the back of publishing cover "For use with fifth edition..." but that's the only references I could find as there are several editions before then, though 5th edition was supposed to be their "evergreen" edition, especially if you purchase digital.
Could you imagine buying $1,000 digital bundle today, and it's worthless a year later? They can just discontinue all your 5th edition digital purchases, like the way of Volo's Guide to Monsters and Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes now delisted, because they know what's best for you and your D&D universe.
They didn’t “discontinue” access to those books if you already paid for them, they’re just not offering new licenses for that content. I still have access to all the legacy content I paid for, which was both of the now legacy books.
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Legacy just means they are not selling them to new customers. So, I can't buy either book now, but there are others that who had already bought them and they have full access to them (albeit with a legacy tag and a warning saying they're no longer the current version).
You are correct inasmuch as they have the rights to cancel your access tomorrow, but that's not the way things are going (you gave the precedent they've set of making books legacy instead) and it would be a really dumb business decision to upset customers like that for so little gain. It's a clause more for the situation where the website has to be permanently closed. It's also not a 5e thing but the nature of the beast of a cloud based electronic service - as I referenced, they need to be able to shut down one day and not be legally on the hook for basically everything they've ever sold.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
It's funny how people are up in arms about books such as volo's no longer being sold on DnD beyond.... Like, y'know, exactly what happens in actual physical shops when newer products appear.
That’s on the back of every non-core sourcebook or adventure module.
But you can still find the physical book if you wanted to on Amazon, Ebay, etc. or find services that offer reprinting, or find reprinting service sales, that's how I bought hardcover of D&D Rules Cyclopedia during the pandemic - it was $50 and it was such a great print, like I pulled it off the bookshelf at the local bookstore (dude had 20 for sale on Ebay, I got the last one).
DMsGuild has that hardcover for ~$30, lots of folks buy DMsGuild and then upsell them at on eBay, Amazon, local book stores, etc. The practice is frowned upon by eBay, Amazon, etc.
I don't know how that factors into legacy content on a service whose marketplace intends to offer the most current version of the game though.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
True, they just released hardcover (wasn't available 2 years ago), but the reprint I purchased for $20 more on Ebay is like brand new AAA quality, while DMS Guild might reprint it, the hardcover copy print is really bad from them, here is quote from one of the reviews:
What I paid was $57 and it came in a few days.
So who had the license to reprint it? To my knowledge only DMsGuild has the right to produce reprints of any WotC or TSR D&D product, even two years ago. I may be wrong, but your deal sounds pirate sketchy.
You do realize PoD quality does fluctuate for a number of reasons, even today, and sore customer reviews amongst an otherwise highly rated product, while often sales skewing, aren't necessarily a universal beef. Don't get me wrong, some DMsGuild reprints have proverbially "blown", but others are quite nice, especially some of the deep cuts.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Here are the links in case you'd like to ask permission to reproduce and use things: Submit a request – D&D (wizards.com) and here is their content policy Fan Content Policy | Wizards of the Coast - you'll be surprised how generous they are, as long as you ask. Their move is now movie/streaming/television media = that's where the money is at, not selling digital content and books, so it's in their interest to control 80% of the market and become a household name.
Only replying because this post is at best misinformation.
Maybe you sent me the wrong link, but the Fan Content Policy absolutely does not authorize anyone to produce these reprints. The first two bold terms of the Fan Content Policy
1. One word: F-R-E-E.
2. Tell the Community it’s unofficial.
I could go on, but it's very clear the Fan Content policy is not the authority one would use to engage in complete reproductions. And if there were a official licensed reprinter of past TSR/WotC material, they wouldn't be as murky and under the radar in terms of source as these ads vibe.
Anyway, in terms of the policy you're pretending to cite, the reprints woulc clearly be in violation by the ad selling what it purports to be "licensed reprints." As I type this, there are a number of eBay stores, some purportedly based in bricks and mortar stores, selling the book with the exact same copy. For folks who investigate modern day bootlegging, that's a tell.
This is just basic publishing trades fact; and has nothing to do with 80% control of the market or whatever you're trying to say there, nor does the easy availability of bootleg print runs of the game's prior editions have anything to do with the present 5e growing into 5eR or 6e or whatever One D&D calls itself.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.