A lump of metal cannot make choices.The choices are already made and do not change. They cannot change, because a band of gold is incapable of making choices because it has no mind.
And yet...
The circlet chooses the physical characteristics of the form
We get that this doesn't make sense to you. But the rules say what they say and someone that follows them isn't doing anything wrong.
A lump of metal cannot make choices.The choices are already made and do not change. They cannot change, because a band of gold is incapable of making choices because it has no mind.
And yet...
The circlet chooses the physical characteristics of the form
We get that this doesn't make sense to you. But the rules say what they say and someone that follows them isn't doing anything wrong.
You've read that incorrectly. Please try again.
The circlet is preloaded with a shape that you turn into. You don't get to choose the form, the circlet does. Not not that is is actively making choices but that you don't.
It is apparently so hard to program Aberrant Mind and Clockwork Soul spell-swapping into dndbeyond they had to remake the game without it rather than implement it.
The circlet isn't consciously choosing the shape you turn into. It is preselected when the item was created and where it says the shape is determined by the circlet it is trying to communicate to you that the character wielding it can't make this choice.
The thing is not conscious, can't think, nor actively choose anything at all. You're making stuff up that doesn't exist.
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It is apparently so hard to program Aberrant Mind and Clockwork Soul spell-swapping into dndbeyond they had to remake the game without it rather than implement it.
This circlet is an uncommon magic item called a circlet of human perfection. Only humanoids can attune to it. The circlet transforms its attuned wearer into an attractive human of average height and weight. The circlet chooses the physical characteristics of the form, such as age, gender, skin color, hair color, and voice. Except for size, the wearer’s statistics and racial traits don’t change, nor do items worn or carried by the wearer. Removing the circlet ends the effect.
str, con and dex are transferred over to the new form, just as an "attractive human of average height and weight" or, depending on any constrictions around the form that the halfling changed into, an instantly less than "attractive human of average height and weight".
I'm pretty sure the correct interpretation of "the circlet chooses the form" is "the circlet chooses the form". What exactly this means when dealing with a mindless object that is fundamentally incapable of making choices is up to the DM.
I say it works like the Sorting Hat from Harry Potter.
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You know… how the Sorting Hat put people in the house they thought they should be in deep down inside. It put Harry in Gryffindor because he thought “not Slytherin.” So I think the Circlet is like the same way, only with… ya know… “curb appeal.” 😉
You know… how the Sorting Hat put people in the house they thought they should be in deep down inside. It put Harry in Gryffindor because he thought “not Slytherin.” So I think the Circlet is like the same way, only with… ya know… “curb appeal.” 😉
... the sorting hat was a conscious entity, capable of making choices. The circlet isn't.
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I'm probably laughing.
It is apparently so hard to program Aberrant Mind and Clockwork Soul spell-swapping into dndbeyond they had to remake the game without it rather than implement it.
I'm pretty sure the correct interpretation of "the circlet chooses the form" is "the circlet chooses the form". What exactly this means when dealing with a mindless object that is fundamentally incapable of making choices is up to the DM.
The circlet is from an adventure, how it works is established. Can you decide to go in a different direction in your games? Of course. But you're arguing to ignore the fact it is a mindless object incapable of making choices when you read the text, and instead of the obviously correct reading of the text that simply means: "You don't get to pick the form".
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I'm probably laughing.
It is apparently so hard to program Aberrant Mind and Clockwork Soul spell-swapping into dndbeyond they had to remake the game without it rather than implement it.
What happens when a halfling puts on a Circlet of Human Perfection. Do they shred their clothes? Does it just kill them immediately if they're in something sturdy, like plate armor or something? Curious what people's opinions on this interaction would be.
The Circlet of Human Perfection transforms its attuned wearer into an attractive human of average height and weight. The circlet chooses the physical characteristics of the form, such as age, gender, skin color, hair color, and voice. Except for size, the wearer's statistics and racial traits don't change, nor do items worn or carried by the wearer. Removing the circlet ends the effect.
Or, is the correct way to interpret that last bit, is that their gear does change size? Odd wording.
The circlet is from an adventure, how it works is established. Can you decide to go in a different direction in your games? Of course. But you're arguing to ignore the fact it is a mindless object incapable of making choices when you read the text, and instead of the obviously correct reading of the text that simply means: "You don't get to pick the form".
You keep saying that but the adventure doesn't actually expand on its workings in any way. The only extra piece of information given outside of the item description is that the character wearing it appears as "male". But seeing as the character is male in his original form it doesn't mean much. Would a female character in that adventure also appear as "male"? Possibly (I'd even say probably) but it isn't a given as nothing written explicitly says so.
The only thing we know for sure is that the character wearing the circlet doesn't ever get a say, apart from that it will be up to the DM to decide exactly how the magic of the circlet "chooses the physical characteristics of the form".
I'm pretty sure the correct interpretation of "the circlet chooses the form" is "the circlet chooses the form". What exactly this means when dealing with a mindless object that is fundamentally incapable of making choices is up to the DM.
The circlet is from an adventure, how it works is established. Can you decide to go in a different direction in your games? Of course. But you're arguing to ignore the fact it is a mindless object incapable of making choices when you read the text, and instead of the obviously correct reading of the text that simply means: "You don't get to pick the form".
It doesn't matter where the item came from.
I'm surprised that you aren't sticking to RAW, very uncharacteristic of you.
The wording of the magic item is quite clear, I think you are putting RAI onto the RAW definition:
This circlet is an uncommon magic item called a circlet of human perfection. Only humanoids can attune to it. The circlet transforms its attuned wearer into an attractive human of average height and weight. The circlet chooses the physical characteristics of the form, such as age, gender, skin color, hair color, and voice. Except for size, the wearer’s statistics and racial traits don’t change, nor do items worn or carried by the wearer. Removing the circlet ends the effect.
Nothing in the above wording of the magic item (RAW) says that "the circlet chooses" is a one-off setting.
The Circlet of Human Perfectionchooses the physical characteristics of the form, such as age, gender, skin color, hair color, and voice when ittransforms you. I assume the physical characteristics are subject to change otherwise there would be no choice.
It is more like a preset image. It always transforms anyone who wears it into the same persona. So there could be multiple circlets out there in the world but each one has just one person they turn other people into.
Like you might have the circlet of human perfect: Bob from accounting, while someone else finds a circlet of human perfect: Linda from sales, and then a magic item shop might have in stock another circlet of human perfect: Dale the warehouse manager. You know?
If you get ahold of and attune to circlet of human perfection: Bob from accounting... you always look like Bob from accounting. Anyone who attunes to and wears it always turns into, Bob.
Specifically, the circlet transforms the attuned wearer into an identical version of me...
a fat, balding and very much in denial human.
Basically, I kinda agree with Ravnodaus' interpretation. It's not an issue of great import as I think the main thing that's being said is that it's not the wearer that makes the choice but, to the same extent as I've got prejudices, there's no reason to presume that the circlet might not be formed with its own prefered conception of perfection as well. As I've previously indicated, I think results may vary to an extent to reflect issues like the strength of the transformed form but, beyond that, Ravnodaus' interpretation works well.
In 5e sentient magical items are typically specified as having an int score. It's not specified whether the Circlet of Human Perfection has any sentience or not. It just says it chooses. In most cases, what that implies may be irrelevant. The transformed halfling is not in control of the transformed form. But could the halfling attune and unattune consecutively and to try to get different results? I'd think that if the original result was a Gal Gadot or a George Clooney
or, if the circlet got it right, me
then I think that it may be unlikely that the circlet would give any wildly different result on a second occasion.
In a potential complication, "In the Forgotten Realms, nine human ethnic groups are widely recognized, though over a dozen others are found in more localized areas of Faerûn."
Would or could the circlet operate differently when in geographic locations within its world?
No, it would always transform the wearer into a version of me!
The circlet is from an adventure, how it works is established.
It's established how it works for one specific NPC: it always gives that NPC the same form. That doesn't say anything about how it would work for someone else.
The item comes from an adventure, and I assure you you are wrong. Yek is always in the exact same human guise. The item is preloaded and always transform you into whatever form it is set to. You can get hung up on and confused by the wording if you like, but you'd be wrong.
The goblin Yek that is portrayed in Waterdeep: Dungeon of the Mad Mage as an attractive male human never removes it and put it back on, so yes he is always in the exact same human guise but in no way mean that putting it on again would have the Circlet choose the same characteristics. Or that once the characters acquire it, they are stuck in that male sets of characteristics that Yek was portrayed as. You are wrong in pretending the item's choices are preloaded, the item just doesn't say so one way or another. Your assumptions are as good as anyone else.
The goblin boss, Yek, recently found a magic circlet that transformed him into a human. After his initial surprise passed, Yek warmed to the transformation. After all, it made him taller. The other goblins quietly resent taking orders from a human and would like to see Yek returned to normal. They might conspire with adventurers toward that end, offering them the circlet as a reward for undoing Yek's "curse."
Yek wears a gold circlet that has transformed him into a beautiful adult male human. In this form, his size is Medium.
If the characters and Yek part company on peaceful terms, three of Yek's goblin toadies try to speak to the characters afterward, away from the goblin boss. They plead with the characters to end Yek's "curse" by stealing the circlet that has transformed the goblin boss into a human.
In fact, the adventure supports the interpretation i make of it since the text that introduce it that we know transformed Yek into a male human still mention in it's description that the Circlet choose a gender. If male was a predetermined gender, it would instead say that ''the circlet transforms its attuned wearer into an attractive male human of average height and weight.''
Yek's circlet is an uncommon magic item called a circlet of human perfection. Only humanoids can attune to it. The circlet transforms its attuned wearer into an attractive human of average height and weight. The circlet chooses the physical characteristics of the form, such as age, gender, skin color, hair color, and voice. Except for size, the wearer's statistics and racial traits don't change, nor do items worn or carried by the wearer. Removing the circlet ends the effect.
In fact, the adventure supports the interpretation i make of it since the text that introduce it that we know transformed Yek into a male human still mention in it's description that the Circlet choose a gender. If male was a predetermined gender, it would instead say that ''the circlet transforms its attuned wearer into an attractive male human of average height and weight.''
Yek's circlet is an uncommon magic item called a circlet of human perfection. Only humanoids can attune to it. The circlet transforms its attuned wearer into an attractive human of average height and weight. The circlet chooses the physical characteristics of the form, such as age, gender, skin color, hair color, and voice. Except for size, the wearer's statistics and racial traits don't change, nor do items worn or carried by the wearer. Removing the circlet ends the effect.
Nonsequitor.
Each circlet would have its own "chosen" form. It is not a unique item. The one in the adventure changes people into the form that Yek currently has. There is even a portrait of the form made that looks exactly the same. But some other circlet of human perfection from somewhere else would have entirely different form it changes people into.
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I'm probably laughing.
It is apparently so hard to program Aberrant Mind and Clockwork Soul spell-swapping into dndbeyond they had to remake the game without it rather than implement it.
The adventure never says Yek removed the Circlet after he was transformed so he only had 1 transformed appearance of a male attractive human. Therefore, its normal that the portrait depict it if he was painted after having been transformed.
If you are to find the circlet in this adventure where it was published, it should tell you that the item you find has Yek's characteristics then. Nowhere in the adventure does it say that. Instead, it says the circlet chooses the physical characteristics of the form.
And yet...
We get that this doesn't make sense to you. But the rules say what they say and someone that follows them isn't doing anything wrong.
You've read that incorrectly. Please try again.
The circlet is preloaded with a shape that you turn into. You don't get to choose the form, the circlet does. Not not that is is actively making choices but that you don't.
I'm probably laughing.
It is apparently so hard to program Aberrant Mind and Clockwork Soul spell-swapping into dndbeyond they had to remake the game without it rather than implement it.
The circlet isn't consciously choosing the shape you turn into. It is preselected when the item was created and where it says the shape is determined by the circlet it is trying to communicate to you that the character wielding it can't make this choice.
The thing is not conscious, can't think, nor actively choose anything at all. You're making stuff up that doesn't exist.
I'm probably laughing.
It is apparently so hard to program Aberrant Mind and Clockwork Soul spell-swapping into dndbeyond they had to remake the game without it rather than implement it.
str, con and dex are transferred over to the new form, just as an "attractive human of average height and weight" or, depending on any constrictions around the form that the halfling changed into, an instantly less than "attractive human of average height and weight".
I'm pretty sure the correct interpretation of "the circlet chooses the form" is "the circlet chooses the form". What exactly this means when dealing with a mindless object that is fundamentally incapable of making choices is up to the DM.
I say it works like the Sorting Hat from Harry Potter.
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You know… how the Sorting Hat put people in the house they thought they should be in deep down inside. It put Harry in Gryffindor because he thought “not Slytherin.” So I think the Circlet is like the same way, only with… ya know… “curb appeal.” 😉
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... the sorting hat was a conscious entity, capable of making choices. The circlet isn't.
I'm probably laughing.
It is apparently so hard to program Aberrant Mind and Clockwork Soul spell-swapping into dndbeyond they had to remake the game without it rather than implement it.
The circlet is from an adventure, how it works is established. Can you decide to go in a different direction in your games? Of course. But you're arguing to ignore the fact it is a mindless object incapable of making choices when you read the text, and instead of the obviously correct reading of the text that simply means: "You don't get to pick the form".
I'm probably laughing.
It is apparently so hard to program Aberrant Mind and Clockwork Soul spell-swapping into dndbeyond they had to remake the game without it rather than implement it.
A creature can squeeze through a space that is large enough for a creature one size smaller than it. Thus, a Large creature can squeeze through a passage that's only 5 feet wide. While squeezing through a space, a creature must spend 1 extra foot for every foot it moves there, and it has disadvantage on attack rolls and Dexterity saving throws. Attack rolls against the creature have advantage while it's in the smaller space.
You keep saying that but the adventure doesn't actually expand on its workings in any way. The only extra piece of information given outside of the item description is that the character wearing it appears as "male". But seeing as the character is male in his original form it doesn't mean much. Would a female character in that adventure also appear as "male"? Possibly (I'd even say probably) but it isn't a given as nothing written explicitly says so.
The only thing we know for sure is that the character wearing the circlet doesn't ever get a say, apart from that it will be up to the DM to decide exactly how the magic of the circlet "chooses the physical characteristics of the form".
It doesn't matter where the item came from.
I'm surprised that you aren't sticking to RAW, very uncharacteristic of you.
The wording of the magic item is quite clear, I think you are putting RAI onto the RAW definition:
Nothing in the above wording of the magic item (RAW) says that "the circlet chooses" is a one-off setting.
Specifically, the circlet transforms the attuned wearer into an identical version of me...
a fat, balding and very much in denial human.
Basically, I kinda agree with Ravnodaus' interpretation. It's not an issue of great import as I think the main thing that's being said is that it's not the wearer that makes the choice but, to the same extent as I've got prejudices, there's no reason to presume that the circlet might not be formed with its own prefered conception of perfection as well. As I've previously indicated, I think results may vary to an extent to reflect issues like the strength of the transformed form but, beyond that, Ravnodaus' interpretation works well.
In 5e sentient magical items are typically specified as having an int score. It's not specified whether the Circlet of Human Perfection has any sentience or not. It just says it chooses. In most cases, what that implies may be irrelevant. The transformed halfling is not in control of the transformed form. But could the halfling attune and unattune consecutively and to try to get different results? I'd think that if the original result was a Gal Gadot or a George Clooney
or, if the circlet got it right, me
then I think that it may be unlikely that the circlet would give any wildly different result on a second occasion.
In a potential complication, "In the Forgotten Realms, nine human ethnic groups are widely recognized, though over a dozen others are found in more localized areas of Faerûn."
Would or could the circlet operate differently when in geographic locations within its world?
No, it would always transform the wearer into a version of me!
It's established how it works for one specific NPC: it always gives that NPC the same form. That doesn't say anything about how it would work for someone else.
The goblin Yek that is portrayed in Waterdeep: Dungeon of the Mad Mage as an attractive male human never removes it and put it back on, so yes he is always in the exact same human guise but in no way mean that putting it on again would have the Circlet choose the same characteristics. Or that once the characters acquire it, they are stuck in that male sets of characteristics that Yek was portrayed as. You are wrong in pretending the item's choices are preloaded, the item just doesn't say so one way or another. Your assumptions are as good as anyone else.
In fact, the adventure supports the interpretation i make of it since the text that introduce it that we know transformed Yek into a male human still mention in it's description that the Circlet choose a gender. If male was a predetermined gender, it would instead say that ''the circlet transforms its attuned wearer into an attractive male human of average height and weight.''
Nonsequitor.
Each circlet would have its own "chosen" form. It is not a unique item. The one in the adventure changes people into the form that Yek currently has. There is even a portrait of the form made that looks exactly the same. But some other circlet of human perfection from somewhere else would have entirely different form it changes people into.
I'm probably laughing.
It is apparently so hard to program Aberrant Mind and Clockwork Soul spell-swapping into dndbeyond they had to remake the game without it rather than implement it.
The adventure never says Yek removed the Circlet after he was transformed so he only had 1 transformed appearance of a male attractive human. Therefore, its normal that the portrait depict it if he was painted after having been transformed.
If you are to find the circlet in this adventure where it was published, it should tell you that the item you find has Yek's characteristics then. Nowhere in the adventure does it say that. Instead, it says the circlet chooses the physical characteristics of the form.
*ignore this*