So iron sights normally consist of three blade like things. One in the middle, almost at the tip of the barrel. Then there's the other two. They almost provide a frame for the tip blade. You aim down them, and use the usually marked spot on the tip as your aiming point.
I know that, but why did you say that they would be iron sights, not scopes?
Handguns are unlikely to have scopes, because they have a wider range of error, and, they have more muzzle lift. Scopes are best used when almost right next to your face. One shot of a scope and your face go bye-bye.
It's unusual but not totally out of question. There are plenty real life examples of handguns with scopes.
Plenty of documented instances doesn't make it common. A scope mounted on a handgun is more leaning toward exotic than uncommon, and if you're talking about a handgun that's trying to acquire and hit a target at range when an image magnifying scope would be necessary, you're probably putting a stock on it too. And yeah, leaning Into a scope on a pistol as one would with a long arm without that sort of brace is probably not a great idea ... unless you got one of those custom engraved slide back plates and want to signature mark your cheekbones when you're shooting long.
On the other hand, _optics_ designed to help a shooter acquire a "aim point" picture faster than iron sights are probably as common as lasers (and often used with lasers), less common that tactical lights. Lasers and optics on handguns while not standard issue (probably because none of the main firearms contractors are in a place to manufacture a government scale weapon with those enhancements integrated, and the accessory manufacturers probably can't produce quality at government standard issue scale, plus a tactical holster that can accommodate lasers and optics securely but also "coddling" those devices sensitivities at pistol scale has a higher mark up than holsters for standard or light mounted pistols). It's been a couple of years but I used to cross paths with law enforcement and some military firearms instructors, and around the same time a lot of fed agencies were transitioning back to 9mm from .40 for primary duty weapon I noticed a trend for instructors to have handguns mounted with optics (lights were becoming standard issue) and encouraging students in class briefs and range days to think about going that route. Never used one myself, and not sure how much of the trend was TactiCool Shot Show influencer based than any true and credible research study (like the switch back to 9mm) but it was an alive trend as recent as 2018. My guess it might have been copying the trend in side arms seen with some high speed military units.
But this is 5e no Phoenix Command or even Friday Night Firefight (I don't know what the modern crunchy firearms game is), so sure, if the society has a comparable or industrial base to now, you could have a variety of tech mods that would be the equivalent of magic bonuses or range enhancements and Hunters Mark effects to your gunplay. Still begs the question though if the industrial base would evolve in such a sophisticated fashion. I'm not talking about super wizards taking power and "outlawing" the development of firearms. Rather, magic becomes some available to the society at large there's a sort of "why bother?" with that branch of physics since "super interventional physics" (magic) does the job with a pinch of sulfur, a pointed gesture, and the word "bang" (for instance).
So iron sights normally consist of three blade like things. One in the middle, almost at the tip of the barrel. Then there's the other two. They almost provide a frame for the tip blade. You aim down them, and use the usually marked spot on the tip as your aiming point.
I know that, but why did you say that they would be iron sights, not scopes?
Handguns are unlikely to have scopes, because they have a wider range of error, and, they have more muzzle lift. Scopes are best used when almost right next to your face. One shot of a scope and your face go bye-bye.
It's unusual but not totally out of question. There are plenty real life examples of handguns with scopes.
Plenty of documented instances doesn't make it common. A scope mounted on a handgun is more leaning toward exotic than uncommon, and if you're talking about a handgun that's trying to acquire and hit a target at range when an image magnifying scope would be necessary, you're probably putting a stock on it too. And yeah, leaning Into a scope on a pistol as one would with a long arm without that sort of brace is probably not a great idea ... unless you got one of those custom engraved slide back plates and want to signature mark your cheekbones when you're shooting long.
On the other hand, _optics_ designed to help a shooter acquire a "aim point" picture faster than iron sights are probably as common as lasers (and often used with lasers), less common that tactical lights. Lasers and optics on handguns while not standard issue (probably because none of the main firearms contractors are in a place to manufacture a government scale weapon with those enhancements integrated, and the accessory manufacturers probably can't produce quality at government standard issue scale, plus a tactical holster that can accommodate lasers and optics securely but also "coddling" those devices sensitivities at pistol scale has a higher mark up than holsters for standard or light mounted pistols). It's been a couple of years but I used to cross paths with law enforcement and some military firearms instructors, and around the same time a lot of fed agencies were transitioning back to 9mm from .40 for primary duty weapon I noticed a trend for instructors to have handguns mounted with optics (lights were becoming standard issue) and encouraging students in class briefs and range days to think about going that route. Never used one myself, and not sure how much of the trend was TactiCool Shot Show influencer based than any true and credible research study (like the switch back to 9mm) but it was an alive trend as recent as 2018. My guess it might have been copying the trend in side arms seen with some high speed military units.
But this is 5e no Phoenix Command or even Friday Night Firefight (I don't know what the modern crunchy firearms game is), so sure, if the society has a comparable or industrial base to now, you could have a variety of tech mods that would be the equivalent of magic bonuses or range enhancements and Hunters Mark effects to your gunplay. Still begs the question though if the industrial base would evolve in such a sophisticated fashion. I'm not talking about super wizards taking power and "outlawing" the development of firearms. Rather, magic becomes some available to the society at large there's a sort of "why bother?" with that branch of physics since "super interventional physics" (magic) does the job with a pinch of sulfur, a pointed gesture, and the word "bang" (for instance).
Plenty of hunters put scopes on revolvers and Desert Eagles.
Also, if you want your player's to reliably be able to fire, don't make them use muzzle loading firearms. Loading those things is not quick, unless you have prepackaged loads.
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Plenty of hunters put scopes on revolvers and Desert Eagles.
I'd reckon plenty more of the handgun hunting community (which is a minority of people who hunt with firearms in the first place) generally don't. And what a hunter factors to ambush an animal they're stalking is a very different mindset of what someone thinking through gunfight options, especially at range, would be pondering when figuring out their rig. If you're in a gunfight and you need to aim through a scope on your desert eagle, you brought the wrong gun ... unless (just thinking out loud) you're pregaming and trying to take out your opposition's engine block while they're carpooling to the gunfight, and they only have pistols too. But that's like a specialist scenario, and again, there's still probably a better weapon for that.
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Yes, their is a better one..... This has just become a thread for gun nerds to geek out and argue a little bit, hasn't it?
Yep an online forum instance of "I went to a Sword and Sorcery TTRPG and a gunfight broke out." Like scopes on desert eagles, it's not the question of whether they happen, but there's the begged question of _should_ they happen, not that anyone involved has any control over it. :)
Yes, their is a better one..... This has just become a thread for gun nerds to geek out and argue a little bit, hasn't it?
Yep an online forum instance of "I went to a Sword and Sorcery TTRPG and a gunfight broke out." Like scopes on desert eagles, it's not the question of whether they happen, but there's the begged question of _should_ they happen, not that anyone involved has any control over it. :)
On the subject of bringing a sword to a gunfight, who here has played a shooting video game, and always used the sword?
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Yes, their is a better one..... This has just become a thread for gun nerds to geek out and argue a little bit, hasn't it?
Yep an online forum instance of "I went to a Sword and Sorcery TTRPG and a gunfight broke out." Like scopes on desert eagles, it's not the question of whether they happen, but there's the begged question of _should_ they happen, not that anyone involved has any control over it. :)
I mean, I'd rather ask the question of .. why should it not happen? It's a damn fantasy roleplaying game with magical weapons and stuff. Let people have their scopes on guns if you already put in guns anyway. ;)
At this point, the thread is now basically a place where we say screw reality and realism, if you have guns let them get a Gatling gun as end game content.
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Ok, I'm still old school though. My sword has a detachable blade that connects to a peg. That peg and and the ends of my flared cross guard are painted with tritium. When things hit the fan, I pop off my blade, whip out of my bag of holding my boomstick (whatever that is handing under the nose of an A-10 warthog, ground portable version), stick my hilt on it, and bang (or rather bang to an exponential power) night sights.
....scopes, smh.
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Ok, I'm still old school though. My sword has a detachable blade that connects to a peg. That peg and and the ends of my flared cross guard are painted with tritium. When things hit the fan, I pop off my blade, whip out of my bag of holding my boomstick (whatever that is handing under the nose of an A-10 warthog, ground portable version), stick my hilt on it, and bang (or rather bang to an exponential power) night sights.
....scopes, smh.
That thing hanging under the nose of a warthog is a 30mm rotary cannon that fires explosive shells the size of wine bottles at 3,900rpm. It’s designed to turn tanks into jagged, flaming paperweights at an effective range of 4,000 ft.
Still gonna aim it down the sights. And also still going to call it my boomstick. I'll use it to secure my own level of the Abyss, and make the the whole level a shoot house temple of Gun Fu. Don't ask what happens when you put your eye through a scope in my abyssal layer.
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Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Ok, I'm still old school though. My sword has a detachable blade that connects to a peg. That peg and and the ends of my flared cross guard are painted with tritium. When things hit the fan, I pop off my blade, whip out of my bag of holding my boomstick (whatever that is handing under the nose of an A-10 warthog, ground portable version), stick my hilt on it, and bang (or rather bang to an exponential power) night sights.
....scopes, smh.
That thing hanging under the nose of a warthog is a 30mm rotary cannon that fires explosive shells the size of wine bottles at 3,900rpm. It’s designed to turn tanks into jagged, flaming paperweights at an effective range of 4,000 ft.
Historically, full articulated sets of plate armor (the ones common to Fantasy RPG settings) existed alongside Matchlock and Wheellock firearms. It is perfectly reasonable to have blackpowder weapons in such settings. Warhammer Fantasy mixes sword and sorcery with blackpowder pretty seamlessly, for example. So unless you are specifically aiming to have a setting based on an earlier period guns are fine.
I have never understood why guns and magic have to be separated in a fantasy setting.
"Oh, Bob can throw out a Fireball that destroys or damages a large portion of our enemies. Well, maybe I could throw out a stick of compressed powder that once lit, does the same thing, without all the study and practice of the things he's practiced over the years."
It's a pretty common thought that "My/ our enemy has that, I/ we should have that." It's the common source of real world innovation.
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Plenty of documented instances doesn't make it common. A scope mounted on a handgun is more leaning toward exotic than uncommon, and if you're talking about a handgun that's trying to acquire and hit a target at range when an image magnifying scope would be necessary, you're probably putting a stock on it too. And yeah, leaning Into a scope on a pistol as one would with a long arm without that sort of brace is probably not a great idea ... unless you got one of those custom engraved slide back plates and want to signature mark your cheekbones when you're shooting long.
On the other hand, _optics_ designed to help a shooter acquire a "aim point" picture faster than iron sights are probably as common as lasers (and often used with lasers), less common that tactical lights. Lasers and optics on handguns while not standard issue (probably because none of the main firearms contractors are in a place to manufacture a government scale weapon with those enhancements integrated, and the accessory manufacturers probably can't produce quality at government standard issue scale, plus a tactical holster that can accommodate lasers and optics securely but also "coddling" those devices sensitivities at pistol scale has a higher mark up than holsters for standard or light mounted pistols). It's been a couple of years but I used to cross paths with law enforcement and some military firearms instructors, and around the same time a lot of fed agencies were transitioning back to 9mm from .40 for primary duty weapon I noticed a trend for instructors to have handguns mounted with optics (lights were becoming standard issue) and encouraging students in class briefs and range days to think about going that route. Never used one myself, and not sure how much of the trend was TactiCool Shot Show influencer based than any true and credible research study (like the switch back to 9mm) but it was an alive trend as recent as 2018. My guess it might have been copying the trend in side arms seen with some high speed military units.
But this is 5e no Phoenix Command or even Friday Night Firefight (I don't know what the modern crunchy firearms game is), so sure, if the society has a comparable or industrial base to now, you could have a variety of tech mods that would be the equivalent of magic bonuses or range enhancements and Hunters Mark effects to your gunplay. Still begs the question though if the industrial base would evolve in such a sophisticated fashion. I'm not talking about super wizards taking power and "outlawing" the development of firearms. Rather, magic becomes some available to the society at large there's a sort of "why bother?" with that branch of physics since "super interventional physics" (magic) does the job with a pinch of sulfur, a pointed gesture, and the word "bang" (for instance).
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Plenty of hunters put scopes on revolvers and Desert Eagles.
Also, if you want your player's to reliably be able to fire, don't make them use muzzle loading firearms. Loading those things is not quick, unless you have prepackaged loads.
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Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
I'd reckon plenty more of the handgun hunting community (which is a minority of people who hunt with firearms in the first place) generally don't. And what a hunter factors to ambush an animal they're stalking is a very different mindset of what someone thinking through gunfight options, especially at range, would be pondering when figuring out their rig. If you're in a gunfight and you need to aim through a scope on your desert eagle, you brought the wrong gun ... unless (just thinking out loud) you're pregaming and trying to take out your opposition's engine block while they're carpooling to the gunfight, and they only have pistols too. But that's like a specialist scenario, and again, there's still probably a better weapon for that.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Yes, their is a better one..... This has just become a thread for gun nerds to geek out and argue a little bit, hasn't it?
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
Yep an online forum instance of "I went to a Sword and Sorcery TTRPG and a gunfight broke out." Like scopes on desert eagles, it's not the question of whether they happen, but there's the begged question of _should_ they happen, not that anyone involved has any control over it. :)
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
On the subject of bringing a sword to a gunfight, who here has played a shooting video game, and always used the sword?
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
At this point, the thread is now basically a place where we say screw reality and realism, if you have guns let them get a Gatling gun as end game content.
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
Ok, I'm still old school though. My sword has a detachable blade that connects to a peg. That peg and and the ends of my flared cross guard are painted with tritium. When things hit the fan, I pop off my blade, whip out of my bag of holding my boomstick (whatever that is handing under the nose of an A-10 warthog, ground portable version), stick my hilt on it, and bang (or rather bang to an exponential power) night sights.
....scopes, smh.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
That thing hanging under the nose of a warthog is a 30mm rotary cannon that fires explosive shells the size of wine bottles at 3,900rpm. It’s designed to turn tanks into jagged, flaming paperweights at an effective range of 4,000 ft.
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Still gonna aim it down the sights. And also still going to call it my boomstick. I'll use it to secure my own level of the Abyss, and make the the whole level a shoot house temple of Gun Fu. Don't ask what happens when you put your eye through a scope in my abyssal layer.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
It also weighs more than a small car.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Bag of holding. Wouldn't have fit if I had mounted a scope.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Historically, full articulated sets of plate armor (the ones common to Fantasy RPG settings) existed alongside Matchlock and Wheellock firearms. It is perfectly reasonable to have blackpowder weapons in such settings. Warhammer Fantasy mixes sword and sorcery with blackpowder pretty seamlessly, for example. So unless you are specifically aiming to have a setting based on an earlier period guns are fine.
I have never understood why guns and magic have to be separated in a fantasy setting.
"Oh, Bob can throw out a Fireball that destroys or damages a large portion of our enemies. Well, maybe I could throw out a stick of compressed powder that once lit, does the same thing, without all the study and practice of the things he's practiced over the years."
It's a pretty common thought that "My/ our enemy has that, I/ we should have that." It's the common source of real world innovation.
I would rather be the god tool over the nuke.
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.