I have never understood why guns and magic have to be separated in a fantasy setting.
I find that it's a question of not fitting the aesthetics. That's really it. Its called Sword and Sorcery, since people like having heroes with swords.
I have never understood why guns and magic have to be separated in a fantasy setting.
"Oh, Bob can throw out a Fireball that destroys or damages a large portion of our enemies. Well, maybe I could throw out a stick of compressed powder that once lit, does the same thing, without all the study and practice of the things he's practiced over the years."
It's a pretty common thought that "My/ our enemy has that, I/ we should have that." It's the common source of real world innovation.
Because the fantasy genre is heavily about the romanticism of an alleged heroic age that existed before guns.
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Which is why I like the CR Gunslinger archetype for fighters, it allows me to be a demon on the battlefield, and also have guns.
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Yeah, all true, but when guns in the real world came into being, people were still wearing armor and fighting with swords as well. There's some overlap.
Just my opinion, I don't have a problem with guns in a fantasy setting, or magic in a modern setting.
I like the idea of using magic guns, like the Caster guns in Outlaw Star. Shells are very hard to find, and also very expensive. But they are still strong and deadly.
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Yeah, all true, but when guns in the real world came into being, people were still wearing armor and fighting with swords as well. There's some overlap.
Just my opinion, I don't have a problem with guns in a fantasy setting, or magic in a modern setting.
Modern Magic is one of my personal favorite genres.
Which is why, despite having watched Outlaw Star at a young age of around 10 (Shouldn't have, that show was NOT appropriate for my age at the time.) I liked how it has eldritch style magic, and GUNS AND SWORDS. SO MANY GUNS AND SWORDS!
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I like the idea of using magic guns, like the Caster guns in Outlaw Star. Shells are very hard to find, and also very expensive. But they are still strong and deadly.
Yeah, all true, but when guns in the real world came into being, people were still wearing armor and fighting with swords as well. There's some overlap.
Just my opinion, I don't have a problem with guns in a fantasy setting, or magic in a modern setting.
Modern Magic is one of my personal favorite genres.
Which is why, despite having watched Outlaw Star at a young age of around 10 (Shouldn't have, that show was NOT appropriate for my age at the time.) I liked how it has eldritch style magic, and GUNS AND SWORDS. SO MANY GUNS AND SWORDS!
Outlaw Star was amazing.
Much like the Mage games from White Wolf, or even stuff like Shadowrun. Mixing it all together is fun.
Star Wars is basically Sword & Sorcery... with guns.
Warhammer 40k is basically S&S... w/ guns.
What’s wrong with Sword & Sorcery & Guns (oh my)?
Absolutely nothing, but modern fantasy is heavily influenced by Tolkien, Arthurian legend, and the mythologies of various cultures that predate the invention of the firearm.
Plus, a lot of fantasy writers weren't historians and didn't know that a knight in full plate typically rode into battle with a brace of pistols.
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Just saying in Star Wars and 40k, I don't think they rely on scopes that much. Solo doesn't even use sights, he point shoots. Maybe I'm not so much against the development of gunpowder in S&S but optics.
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Sights are irrelevant on non-rifled muskets because the gun itself lacks accuracy, but in a D&D setting where you have a single person using a gun it would have sights.
Yeah, 40K doesn't use them, but 40K is a setting where a tank commander tries to use his sword while riding in his tank and orks wouldn't understand the concept of aiming if it was rammed into their skulls.
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
And I thought D&D had grown out of the "get guns out of my Swords and Sorcery game!" phase. I understand that this hobby was heavily inspired by Lord of the Rings, but the game has progressed so much since then. Just look at all of the diverse settings that are playable in 5e. Eberron, which is modeled after a fantasy version of the fallout of the World Wars of the 20th century, Ravnica, which is probably the most high-tech setting in D&D history, Theros, the "You won't believe it's not Greece!" setting, Dark Sun, the "psionic, bug and slave filled Tatooine" setting, and many others. Hell, the Artificer is now one of the 13 official 5e classes (which also says a lot about the severe lack of classes in 5e), is super popular, and mentions them being proficient in firearms at the DM's permission (yes, it's optional, but it's there).
So, my answer to the question proposed by the thread, yes guns. There are balance issues with the weapons, but if restricted enough and used in moderation, firearms are a perfectly fine and valid addition to almost any D&D campaign.
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Guns were actually more of a thing in D&D in older editions. It was canon in 2nd Edition that firearms existed in multiple campaign settings, most notably the Forgotten Realms and Spelljammer. It was 3rd Edition that really rolled things back and made them optional rules found only in the DMG, something that's continued in 5th Edition aside from the British Space Hippos and Artificers.
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Guns were actually more of a thing in D&D in older editions. It was canon in 2nd Edition that firearms existed in multiple campaign settings, most notably the Forgotten Realms and Spelljammer. It was 3rd Edition that really rolled things back and made them optional rules found only in the DMG, something that's continued in 5th Edition aside from the British Space Hippos and Artificers.
Nah, 1st ed just jumped straight to lasers and blasters.
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"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
Just saying in Star Wars and 40k, I don't think they rely on scopes that much. Solo doesn't even use sights, he point shoots. Maybe I'm not so much against the development of gunpowder in S&S but optics.
No idea about Star Wars but for 40k that's absolutely wrong.
The majority of 40k images and movies don't have anybody aiming.
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"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
I don't know much about Warhammer 40k, but the Space Marines don't need to aim, they basically have neural optics, allowing them to "aim" without looking down the sights of a barrel. And Star Wars gets really swords and sorcery in the KotOR games, they have magic/force powers, and also they have swords, made with the dark side of the force and also vibroblades.
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it. Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks. MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
I find that it's a question of not fitting the aesthetics. That's really it. Its called Sword and Sorcery, since people like having heroes with swords.
Because the fantasy genre is heavily about the romanticism of an alleged heroic age that existed before guns.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Which is why I like the CR Gunslinger archetype for fighters, it allows me to be a demon on the battlefield, and also have guns.
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
Yeah, all true, but when guns in the real world came into being, people were still wearing armor and fighting with swords as well. There's some overlap.
Just my opinion, I don't have a problem with guns in a fantasy setting, or magic in a modern setting.
I like the idea of using magic guns, like the Caster guns in Outlaw Star. Shells are very hard to find, and also very expensive. But they are still strong and deadly.
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
Star Wars is basically Sword & Sorcery... with guns.
Warhammer 40k is basically S&S... w/ guns.
What’s wrong with Sword & Sorcery & Guns (oh my)?
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Which is why, despite having watched Outlaw Star at a young age of around 10 (Shouldn't have, that show was NOT appropriate for my age at the time.) I liked how it has eldritch style magic, and GUNS AND SWORDS. SO MANY GUNS AND SWORDS!
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
Outlaw Star was amazing.
Much like the Mage games from White Wolf, or even stuff like Shadowrun. Mixing it all together is fun.
Absolutely nothing, but modern fantasy is heavily influenced by Tolkien, Arthurian legend, and the mythologies of various cultures that predate the invention of the firearm.
Plus, a lot of fantasy writers weren't historians and didn't know that a knight in full plate typically rode into battle with a brace of pistols.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Just saying in Star Wars and 40k, I don't think they rely on scopes that much. Solo doesn't even use sights, he point shoots. Maybe I'm not so much against the development of gunpowder in S&S but optics.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Sights are irrelevant on non-rifled muskets because the gun itself lacks accuracy, but in a D&D setting where you have a single person using a gun it would have sights.
Yeah, 40K doesn't use them, but 40K is a setting where a tank commander tries to use his sword while riding in his tank and orks wouldn't understand the concept of aiming if it was rammed into their skulls.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
And I thought D&D had grown out of the "get guns out of my Swords and Sorcery game!" phase. I understand that this hobby was heavily inspired by Lord of the Rings, but the game has progressed so much since then. Just look at all of the diverse settings that are playable in 5e. Eberron, which is modeled after a fantasy version of the fallout of the World Wars of the 20th century, Ravnica, which is probably the most high-tech setting in D&D history, Theros, the "You won't believe it's not Greece!" setting, Dark Sun, the "psionic, bug and slave filled Tatooine" setting, and many others. Hell, the Artificer is now one of the 13 official 5e classes (which also says a lot about the severe lack of classes in 5e), is super popular, and mentions them being proficient in firearms at the DM's permission (yes, it's optional, but it's there).
If the game has progressed far enough from the original version of D&D that you can play a psychic, white-haired human that is melded with a spectral worm-crab that can shoot people with mind lasers and start their own colony of thralls, I think that it's progressed far enough to have firearms in D&D no longer be such an anomaly.
So, my answer to the question proposed by the thread, yes guns. There are balance issues with the weapons, but if restricted enough and used in moderation, firearms are a perfectly fine and valid addition to almost any D&D campaign.
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Guns were actually more of a thing in D&D in older editions. It was canon in 2nd Edition that firearms existed in multiple campaign settings, most notably the Forgotten Realms and Spelljammer. It was 3rd Edition that really rolled things back and made them optional rules found only in the DMG, something that's continued in 5th Edition aside from the British Space Hippos and Artificers.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Nah, 1st ed just jumped straight to lasers and blasters.
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
The majority of 40k images and movies don't have anybody aiming.
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
I don't know much about Warhammer 40k, but the Space Marines don't need to aim, they basically have neural optics, allowing them to "aim" without looking down the sights of a barrel. And Star Wars gets really swords and sorcery in the KotOR games, they have magic/force powers, and also they have swords, made with the dark side of the force and also vibroblades.
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.