And let us not forget - it takes eight hundred years to create an ancient dragon. We can build a new tank in less than a year (I think, haven't checked how long it takes to manufacture an Abrahms since I don't think we do anymore). We can build a new F-22 in two or three years, once the government gives the **** up on the godforsaken Lightning
I'm partial to the A-10 myself. The main gun would possibly hash a dragon in the air or on the ground.
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"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
We might have nukes they got magic. Wish, gate, planeshift all looking nasty….. even etheralness we can’t hit ethereal stuff. This of course assumes we are using the spell casting varent from the mm. Smart use of magic would do us in.
Humanity is screwed. One word only metallics, they could pretend to be humans, not to mention that many are cunning enough that if humanity isn’t completely United in killing them, they could convince others to a peace, saying that they don’t want to fight, while others can hijack some governments and mess up politics by spreading misinformation and lies. Time dragons can also go back in time to destroy human civilisation before we can even lift a finger.
Humans win hands down. Humans are not the strongest land animal (Polar Bear, I think), the largest (Elephant), the toughest, etc.
We are the smartest. Now some might say that dragons are more intelligent, but traditionally they do not take advantage of their intelligence. They are loaners, not pack hunters, they do not make or use equiptment, and they do note even learn as many spells as humans do.
Humans win by outsmarting creatures, working together, thinking ahead and creating the answers to problems before we get them.
Humans will always beat creatures that do not do these things.
Considering good dragons can turn into humans, with some being in family groups, I don’t think so. Also consider that modern humans don’t have magic, some dragons can burrow and that some have really good charisma and intelligence.
The most dangerous are red dragons on the battlefield, with them likely able to pry open tanks like clams and body slam into jets, green dragons with them being incredibly good at deception and being immune to gas attacks and are by far one of the smartest dragon types. Time and solar dragons are basically unstoppable if used correctly and decide to use their abilities to their maximum potential.
Considering good dragons can turn into humans, with some being in family groups, I don’t think so. Also consider that modern humans don’t have magic, some dragons can burrow and that some have really good charisma and intelligence.
The most dangerous are red dragons on the battlefield, with them likely able to pry open tanks like clams and body slam into jets, green dragons with them being incredibly good at deception and being immune to gas attacks and are by far one of the smartest dragon types. Time and solar dragons are basically unstoppable if used correctly and decide to use their abilities to their maximum potential.
You severely underestimate the human species’ propensity for violence, and aptitude for lethality.
As a species we have managed to find ways to kill almost absolutely every type of life form that we have ever discovered to exist. Animals? Oh yeah, we kill lots of animals. Plants? Them too. Fungi? Most of them were easily dispatched almost as soon as we discovered them. took us a while to figure out how to kill the rest of them, like some molds or fungal infections for example, but we got there. We have quite literally caused the complete extinction of more animal, plant, and fungal species than we can even know.
Bacteria? Nailed them down for the most part in 1928. Now, admittedly it took humanity a long, long time figure that one out, almost all of our 200,000 year existence on the planet, having only discovered penicillin just under 100 years ago, but since then we have advanced in our ability to kill bacteria at a staggering rate. Viruses? We can kill a lot of them. True, there are some that are still giving us some trouble, but we’re sure as hell workin’ on it, and we have recently made discoveries that will likely catapult humanity forward at an incredible rate in terms of our aptitude for viral homicide. Cancer? We got a lot of those too, and the ones we can’t kill yet are only gonna elude us for a little longer now that we’ve figured out how to design viruses to kill cancer for us.
Hell, we’re even doing a phenomenal job of killing the world’s atmosphere, oceans, wetlands, forests, and even our Arctic and Antarctic land masses, so not only are we even good at killing various environments, we’re well on our way to killing our own whole entire planet. To paraphrase the classic canucklehead himself, we’re the best at what we do, and what we do is kill stuff.
If dragons were to suddenly reveal their existence to humanity, I would pity the dragons.
Considering good dragons can turn into humans, with some being in family groups, I don’t think so. Also consider that modern humans don’t have magic, some dragons can burrow and that some have really good charisma and intelligence.
The most dangerous are red dragons on the battlefield, with them likely able to pry open tanks like clams and body slam into jets, green dragons with them being incredibly good at deception and being immune to gas attacks and are by far one of the smartest dragon types. Time and solar dragons are basically unstoppable if used correctly and decide to use their abilities to their maximum potential.
You severely underestimate the human species’ propensity for violence, and aptitude for lethality.
As a species we have managed to find ways to kill almost absolutely every type of life form that we have ever discovered to exist. Animals? Oh yeah, we kill lots of animals. Plants? Them too. Fungi? Most of them were easily dispatched almost as soon as we discovered them. took us a while to figure out how to kill the rest of them, like some molds or fungal infections for example, but we got there. We have quite literally caused the complete extinction of more animal, plant, and fungal species than we can even know.
Hell, we’re even doing a phenomenal job of killing the world’s atmosphere, oceans, wetlands, forests, and even our Arctic and Antarctic land masses, so not only are we even good at killing various environments, we’re well on our way to killing our own whole entire planet. To paraphrase the classic canucklehead himself, we’re the best at what we do, and what we do is kill stuff.
To be honest, the only thing rivalling our intelligence were at our intelligence or below, like dolphins or apes or Neanderthals. We have never fought anything so ABOVE our average intelligence, add onto the fact that dragons themselves have purely better mental capabilities that rival the smartest of humans, which for them is average. Yes the dragons would get obliterated or at the very least severely maimed by our bombs and nukes, but depending on what you call dragons, there would be a ton of them, if humanity won, there would be terrible repercussions as they would need overwhelming firepower to kill the ancient dragons and the great wyrms.
There are 8,000,000,000+ of us and counting. We could afford to absorb the losses it would take to win.
And we have weapons that let us kill things from beyond line of sight. In the most extreme cases, we have missiles that can strike targets on another continent and destroy entire cities. I suspect that most dragons are going to decide that that just might be beyond their ability to fight- let's remember that dragons do often lose fights to humans who's best weapons are steel swords and arrows.
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
There are 8,000,000,000+ of us and counting. We could afford to absorb the losses it would take to win.
And we have weapons that let us kill things from beyond line of sight. In the most extreme cases, we have missiles that can strike targets on another continent and destroy entire cities. I suspect that most dragons are going to decide that that just might be beyond their ability to fight- let's remember that dragons do often lose fights to humans who's best weapons are steel swords and arrows.
To be fair, "often" is from the perspective of a narrative that's centered on a specific batch of people with swords and arrows going through a series of encounters that almost always happen to be within their capacity to overcome. Within the scope of the general lore and stats given, one would expect any ancient or even adult dragon that seeks conflict with humans to have a body count of hundreds if not thousands of hairless apes who ineffectually waved their pieces of wood and metal at the dragon briefly before being eaten, eviscerated, incinerated, liquified, flash-frozen, etc.
Dragons go pew pew with fire and stuff, kill our crops. Goodbye food. Torch forests, global warming again! Tsunamis? Fun!
So the dragons will kill themselves then. No source of food, barren lands, uninhabitable environments will sure impact all species including the dragons.
Big difference, while both humanity and dragons will take refuge in caves, caverns, and underground; the dragons will spend all their effort protecting and managing their horde while humanity will invest their efforts to establish life preservation (i.e. agricultural techniques, technological development, building of bunkers and domiciles, etc.).
The dragons are currently winning. They are playing the long game. "Random" California weather changes, "Mysterious" drought, "Unexplained" earthquakes...
They are testing our defenses and the people in place to prevent or handle the situations are dragons in disguise. Ever ask yourself how our leaders could be so dumb?
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"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
The dragons are currently winning. They are playing the long game. "Random" California weather changes, "Mysterious" drought, "Unexplained" earthquakes...
They are testing our defenses and the people in place to prevent or handle the situations are dragons in disguise. Ever ask yourself how our leaders could be so dumb?
Not really, no. When compared to the bulk of humanity, I figure they’re pretty much par for the course.
I'm partial to the A-10 myself. The main gun would possibly hash a dragon in the air or on the ground.
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
We might have nukes they got magic. Wish, gate, planeshift all looking nasty….. even etheralness we can’t hit ethereal stuff. This of course assumes we are using the spell casting varent from the mm. Smart use of magic would do us in.
Humanity is screwed. One word only metallics, they could pretend to be humans, not to mention that many are cunning enough that if humanity isn’t completely United in killing them, they could convince others to a peace, saying that they don’t want to fight, while others can hijack some governments and mess up politics by spreading misinformation and lies. Time dragons can also go back in time to destroy human civilisation before we can even lift a finger.
Humans win hands down. Humans are not the strongest land animal (Polar Bear, I think), the largest (Elephant), the toughest, etc.
We are the smartest. Now some might say that dragons are more intelligent, but traditionally they do not take advantage of their intelligence. They are loaners, not pack hunters, they do not make or use equiptment, and they do note even learn as many spells as humans do.
Humans win by outsmarting creatures, working together, thinking ahead and creating the answers to problems before we get them.
Humans will always beat creatures that do not do these things.
Considering good dragons can turn into humans, with some being in family groups, I don’t think so. Also consider that modern humans don’t have magic, some dragons can burrow and that some have really good charisma and intelligence.
The most dangerous are red dragons on the battlefield, with them likely able to pry open tanks like clams and body slam into jets, green dragons with them being incredibly good at deception and being immune to gas attacks and are by far one of the smartest dragon types. Time and solar dragons are basically unstoppable if used correctly and decide to use their abilities to their maximum potential.
You severely underestimate the human species’ propensity for violence, and aptitude for lethality.
As a species we have managed to find ways to kill almost absolutely every type of life form that we have ever discovered to exist. Animals? Oh yeah, we kill lots of animals. Plants? Them too. Fungi? Most of them were easily dispatched almost as soon as we discovered them. took us a while to figure out how to kill the rest of them, like some molds or fungal infections for example, but we got there. We have quite literally caused the complete extinction of more animal, plant, and fungal species than we can even know.
Bacteria? Nailed them down for the most part in 1928. Now, admittedly it took humanity a long, long time figure that one out, almost all of our 200,000 year existence on the planet, having only discovered penicillin just under 100 years ago, but since then we have advanced in our ability to kill bacteria at a staggering rate. Viruses? We can kill a lot of them. True, there are some that are still giving us some trouble, but we’re sure as hell workin’ on it, and we have recently made discoveries that will likely catapult humanity forward at an incredible rate in terms of our aptitude for viral homicide. Cancer? We got a lot of those too, and the ones we can’t kill yet are only gonna elude us for a little longer now that we’ve figured out how to design viruses to kill cancer for us.
Hell, we’re even doing a phenomenal job of killing the world’s atmosphere, oceans, wetlands, forests, and even our Arctic and Antarctic land masses, so not only are we even good at killing various environments, we’re well on our way to killing our own whole entire planet. To paraphrase the classic canucklehead himself, we’re the best at what we do, and what we do is kill stuff.
If dragons were to suddenly reveal their existence to humanity, I would pity the dragons.
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To be honest, the only thing rivalling our intelligence were at our intelligence or below, like dolphins or apes or Neanderthals. We have never fought anything so ABOVE our average intelligence, add onto the fact that dragons themselves have purely better mental capabilities that rival the smartest of humans, which for them is average. Yes the dragons would get obliterated or at the very least severely maimed by our bombs and nukes, but depending on what you call dragons, there would be a ton of them, if humanity won, there would be terrible repercussions as they would need overwhelming firepower to kill the ancient dragons and the great wyrms.
There are 8,000,000,000+ of us and counting. We could afford to absorb the losses it would take to win.
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Two words, time dragons
And we have weapons that let us kill things from beyond line of sight. In the most extreme cases, we have missiles that can strike targets on another continent and destroy entire cities. I suspect that most dragons are going to decide that that just might be beyond their ability to fight- let's remember that dragons do often lose fights to humans who's best weapons are steel swords and arrows.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
To be fair, "often" is from the perspective of a narrative that's centered on a specific batch of people with swords and arrows going through a series of encounters that almost always happen to be within their capacity to overcome. Within the scope of the general lore and stats given, one would expect any ancient or even adult dragon that seeks conflict with humans to have a body count of hundreds if not thousands of hairless apes who ineffectually waved their pieces of wood and metal at the dragon briefly before being eaten, eviscerated, incinerated, liquified, flash-frozen, etc.
Dragons go pew pew with fire and stuff, kill our crops. Goodbye food. Torch forests, global warming again! Tsunamis? Fun!
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While everybody going on with killing each other and worrying about problems that aren’t there they will easily win.
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You badly overestimate how much damage dragons could do before they're hit by F-16s or drone strikes.
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
So the dragons will kill themselves then. No source of food, barren lands, uninhabitable environments will sure impact all species including the dragons.
Big difference, while both humanity and dragons will take refuge in caves, caverns, and underground; the dragons will spend all their effort protecting and managing their horde while humanity will invest their efforts to establish life preservation (i.e. agricultural techniques, technological development, building of bunkers and domiciles, etc.).
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The dragons are currently winning. They are playing the long game. "Random" California weather changes, "Mysterious" drought, "Unexplained" earthquakes...
They are testing our defenses and the people in place to prevent or handle the situations are dragons in disguise. Ever ask yourself how our leaders could be so dumb?
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
Not really, no. When compared to the bulk of humanity, I figure they’re pretty much par for the course.
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Yeah but we don’t know if they exist so they have advantage. They could do a bit of damage which will get bigger over timr
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There are currently 8,100,054,704 humans living on this planet (give or take a few hundred thousand), plus another 10 in space.
Dragons could win, but it’d take a loooong time.
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