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Anyone else want to guess what upcoming UA will containing? I assume it will be Subclasses 2020 Part 2, but who knows, maybe they'll do a Class Feature Variants 2, or Subclass Feature Variants.
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Yeah, there are a lot more variants that are needed. Arguably the worst off classes are Ranger, Monk, Warlock, and Sorcerer. I know they said they don't want to go into subclasses because that will be neverending, but they need to at least do it for the PHB subclasses, Beast Master, Way of Four Elements, Berserkers, Valor Bards, these all need revisions, but they probably won't be fixed.
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Berserker is fine. Gaining 1 level of exhaustion is not the end of the world (Disadvantage on ability checks), and it should be noted that a Frenzying Berserker Barbarian has the highest average DPR of any character in the game. A level 14 frenzy berserker can make 4 greataxe attacks in a single round. There are also multiple ways to remove levels of exhaustion from a character, and it can utterly destroy anything when it goes into frenzy.
Well, one level of exhaustion is fine. Any more than that causes some *serious* problems. Plus, the only ways I'm aware of to remove exhaustion are the Greater Restoration spell and long rests, each of which only removes a single level of exhaustion at a time. So unless you have some way of getting GR (which, by the by, does eat up 100 GP worth of diamond dust when cast normally), you're pretty much limited to using Frenzy once per day; that is, ASSUMING you aren't hit by anything else that gives you any levels of exhaustion first...
The Bard looks fun, and Note of Destruction = The Brown Note!!
I have no idea why the Cleric gets Potent Spellcasting. It’s a great ability, but what does it have to do with love??
I love the Sorcerer. I have no idea how balanced it will be, but it’s effing cool.
I mean, I don't know why nature gets heavy armor, or why life gets divine strike, or why forge doesn't get martial proficiency. The answer is not to question it.
Seriously though, I normally the bard/cleric subclasses more than the other classes, but with the ability to become a modron-mage/ law demon from shin megami tensei, I find myself leaning heavily towards the Clockwork Soul.
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It's ok Ranger, you'll always be cool to me.. Unless druid gets another use for its wild shape charges.
Love cleric gets Potent Spellcasting because all cleric domains get either Potent Spellcasting or Divine Strike at 8th level. No exceptions. Loveboat Priest is clearly not a striker, so...yeah.
Hm.
The bard is awkward, not gonna lie. This 'Song of Creation' mumbo is a thin excuse for what amounts to a School of Conjuration bard. It's functional but it doesn't seem terribly exciting.
The cleric is...a thing. Heh, feels like it would've been more interesting for its mini-marriage ability to get "lasts until you use this ability again" at higher levels, allow the cleric to forge a permanent bond at the cost of their ability, but ehh. It does the usual UA thing of giving you one ability the entirety of the subclass is then geared around, which is sometimes okay and sometimes weird. In this case it seems at least reasonably on point, but man. I can't look at this thing and not think of all those mothers in the world nagging their kid to go and get married and give them grandkids already.
Love Cleric: "Now, I met this really nice boy in Emon the other day, works as a Templar of Bahamut, volunteers with the local puppy orphanage! I managed to convince him to swing by and say hi, maybe go on an adventure with us!" Rogue: "Oh my GAWD, will you knock this shit off?! I'm not looking for a husband!" Love Cleric: "Don't get snippy with me, missy! I know you're not looking for a husband; that's why I'm trying to do it for you, Lady knows with the way you dress and all the time you spend in ancient tombs of unspeakable evil, a husband's not gonna find you without some divine assistance! Now shut up and go on a magic date with the nice boy!" . .. ...now I actually kind of want one of these things in my party sometime. Just for the laughs.
ANYWAYS.
'Clockwork Soul' is a really damn weird theme, not sure if the thematics are jiving with me, but at least now we've got a perfect Sorcerous Origin for all those folks saying "man, how do you even make a warforged sorcerer?!" The abilities are interesting - you can effectively nullify advantage and disadvantage on any roll within sixty feet of you, which I will add allows this sorcerer to nullify Magic Resistance on high-level critters making saves against their spells or someone else's. Straight roll on Hold Monster for you, Pit Fiend. **** off and get held. Bulwark is decent enough for catching spikes, though man. This thing is going to be starved beyond comprehension for sorcery points given how damn SP-hungry all its features are.
Trance is Super Saiyan Reliable Talent in a can, which is amazing. The duration sucks, but pop this mother before a big, dicey fight and you're (literally) golden. No bad rolls at all, which could be really critical in a save-heavy battle. The Cavalcade thing is visually hilarious and potentially helpful, but pretty nichey. Decent way of nailing mid-level Dispell Magics without actually needing Dispel Magic, I suppose.
Better than Part 1, no godawful flops like Noble Genie, but man...is anyone else starting to get burnt out on this unceasing floodtide torrent of UA subclasses? Just...just print the book already, Wizards. Whatever you're gearing up for, just stop teasing it already.
Love cleric gets Potent Spellcasting because all cleric domains get either Potent Spellcasting or Divine Strike at 8th level. No exceptions. Loveboat Priest is clearly not a striker, so...yeah.
Hm.
The bard is awkward, not gonna lie. This 'Song of Creation' mumbo is a thin excuse for what amounts to a School of Conjuration bard. It's functional but it doesn't seem terribly exciting.
The cleric is...a thing. Heh, feels like it would've been more interesting for its mini-marriage ability to get "lasts until you use this ability again" at higher levels, allow the cleric to forge a permanent bond at the cost of their ability, but ehh. It does the usual UA thing of giving you one ability the entirety of the subclass is then geared around, which is sometimes okay and sometimes weird. In this case it seems at least reasonably on point, but man. I can't look at this thing and not think of all those mothers in the world nagging their kid to go and get married and give them grandkids already.
Love Cleric: "Now, I met this really nice boy in Emon the other day, works as a Templar of Bahamut, volunteers with the local puppy orphanage! I managed to convince him to swing by and say hi, maybe go on an adventure with us!" Rogue: "Oh my GAWD, will you knock this shit off?! I'm not looking for a husband!" Love Cleric: "Don't get snippy with me, missy! I know you're not looking for a husband; that's why I'm trying to do it for you, Lady knows with the way you dress and all the time you spend in ancient tombs of unspeakable evil, a husband's not gonna find you without some divine assistance! Now shut up and go on a magic date with the nice boy!" . .. ...now I actually kind of want one of these things in my party sometime. Just for the laughs.
ANYWAYS.
'Clockwork Soul' is a really damn weird theme, not sure if the thematics are jiving with me, but at least now we've got a perfect Sorcerous Origin for all those folks saying "man, how do you even make a warforged sorcerer?!" The abilities are interesting - you can effectively nullify advantage and disadvantage on any roll within sixty feet of you, which I will add allows this sorcerer to nullify Magic Resistance on high-level critters making saves against their spells or someone else's. Straight roll on Hold Monster for you, Pit Fiend. **** off and get held. Bulwark is decent enough for catching spikes, though man. This thing is going to be starved beyond comprehension for sorcery points given how damn SP-hungry all its features are.
Trance is Super Saiyan Reliable Talent in a can, which is amazing. The duration sucks, but pop this mother before a big, dicey fight and you're (literally) golden. No bad rolls at all, which could be really critical in a save-heavy battle. The Cavalcade thing is visually hilarious and potentially helpful, but pretty nichey. Decent way of nailing mid-level Dispell Magics without actually needing Dispel Magic, I suppose.
Better than Part 1, no godawful flops like Noble Genie, but man...is anyone else starting to get burnt out on this unceasing floodtide torrent of UA subclasses? Just...just print the book already, Wizards. Whatever you're gearing up for, just stop teasing it already.
but yea, I was thinking Love Domain and Creation Bard were pretty meh as well. Conjuration Wizards were already a bit middling, and you'd think they would try to distinguish this new bard a bit more with some varied flavor, but nope, its pretty much just a bardy summoner. Nothing wrong with that, I guess. Just kind of boring.As for Love Domain, I initially said that the domain was a bit dull to me, but after re-reading it, I actually quite like it.. What's up with all these UA's and tethering effects, though? I'm not complaining since Noble Genie (while flavorful and fun-sounding) seemed a bit shite, and this one is ok I guess. I'll never complain when we get more Cleric subclasses, even if we don't need more.
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It's ok Ranger, you'll always be cool to me.. Unless druid gets another use for its wild shape charges.
Love Domain meh? For the cost of a level 1 spell slot you can essentially cast bless on two characters, and as of level 6, for the cost of their reactions, the basically have stone skin but better. How is this feature Meh? Not to mention the RP value of the last tier of this with them going on a roaring rampage of revenge and awaking their partner with a gentle cup of the cheek.
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Back to topic, after whatever that was. (I assume a series of movie quotes)
Anyone else want to guess what upcoming UA will containing? I assume it will be Subclasses 2020 Part 2, but who knows, maybe they'll do a Class Feature Variants 2, or Subclass Feature Variants.
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I assume you should sit the eff down and watch yourself some Spaceballs!
But seriously, yes it will probably be Subclasses part deux. I wish it were more variant features though.
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Yeah, there are a lot more variants that are needed. Arguably the worst off classes are Ranger, Monk, Warlock, and Sorcerer. I know they said they don't want to go into subclasses because that will be neverending, but they need to at least do it for the PHB subclasses, Beast Master, Way of Four Elements, Berserkers, Valor Bards, these all need revisions, but they probably won't be fixed.
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Berserker is fine. Gaining 1 level of exhaustion is not the end of the world (Disadvantage on ability checks), and it should be noted that a Frenzying Berserker Barbarian has the highest average DPR of any character in the game. A level 14 frenzy berserker can make 4 greataxe attacks in a single round. There are also multiple ways to remove levels of exhaustion from a character, and it can utterly destroy anything when it goes into frenzy.
Well, one level of exhaustion is fine. Any more than that causes some *serious* problems. Plus, the only ways I'm aware of to remove exhaustion are the Greater Restoration spell and long rests, each of which only removes a single level of exhaustion at a time. So unless you have some way of getting GR (which, by the by, does eat up 100 GP worth of diamond dust when cast normally), you're pretty much limited to using Frenzy once per day; that is, ASSUMING you aren't hit by anything else that gives you any levels of exhaustion first...
Exactly why I listed Berserker as one of the subclasses that needs fixing.
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Apparently here it is https://media.wizards.com/2020/dnd/downloads/UA2020-Subclasses02.pdf
Those are definitely...interesting.
The Bard looks fun, and Note of Destruction = The Brown Note!!
I have no idea why the Cleric gets Potent Spellcasting. It’s a great ability, but what does it have to do with love??
I love the Sorcerer. I have no idea how balanced it will be, but it’s effing cool.
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All that’s left are Druid, Fighter, Ranger, Rogue, and Wizard?
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I mean, I don't know why nature gets heavy armor, or why life gets divine strike, or why forge doesn't get martial proficiency. The answer is not to question it.
Seriously though, I normally the bard/cleric subclasses more than the other classes, but with the ability to become a modron-mage/ law demon from shin megami tensei, I find myself leaning heavily towards the Clockwork Soul.
It's ok Ranger, you'll always be cool to me.. Unless druid gets another use for its wild shape charges.
Love cleric gets Potent Spellcasting because all cleric domains get either Potent Spellcasting or Divine Strike at 8th level. No exceptions. Loveboat Priest is clearly not a striker, so...yeah.
Hm.
The bard is awkward, not gonna lie. This 'Song of Creation' mumbo is a thin excuse for what amounts to a School of Conjuration bard. It's functional but it doesn't seem terribly exciting.
The cleric is...a thing. Heh, feels like it would've been more interesting for its mini-marriage ability to get "lasts until you use this ability again" at higher levels, allow the cleric to forge a permanent bond at the cost of their ability, but ehh. It does the usual UA thing of giving you one ability the entirety of the subclass is then geared around, which is sometimes okay and sometimes weird. In this case it seems at least reasonably on point, but man. I can't look at this thing and not think of all those mothers in the world nagging their kid to go and get married and give them grandkids already.
Love Cleric: "Now, I met this really nice boy in Emon the other day, works as a Templar of Bahamut, volunteers with the local puppy orphanage! I managed to convince him to swing by and say hi, maybe go on an adventure with us!"
Rogue: "Oh my GAWD, will you knock this shit off?! I'm not looking for a husband!"
Love Cleric: "Don't get snippy with me, missy! I know you're not looking for a husband; that's why I'm trying to do it for you, Lady knows with the way you dress and all the time you spend in ancient tombs of unspeakable evil, a husband's not gonna find you without some divine assistance! Now shut up and go on a magic date with the nice boy!"
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...now I actually kind of want one of these things in my party sometime. Just for the laughs.
ANYWAYS.
'Clockwork Soul' is a really damn weird theme, not sure if the thematics are jiving with me, but at least now we've got a perfect Sorcerous Origin for all those folks saying "man, how do you even make a warforged sorcerer?!" The abilities are interesting - you can effectively nullify advantage and disadvantage on any roll within sixty feet of you, which I will add allows this sorcerer to nullify Magic Resistance on high-level critters making saves against their spells or someone else's. Straight roll on Hold Monster for you, Pit Fiend. **** off and get held. Bulwark is decent enough for catching spikes, though man. This thing is going to be starved beyond comprehension for sorcery points given how damn SP-hungry all its features are.
Trance is Super Saiyan Reliable Talent in a can, which is amazing. The duration sucks, but pop this mother before a big, dicey fight and you're (literally) golden. No bad rolls at all, which could be really critical in a save-heavy battle. The Cavalcade thing is visually hilarious and potentially helpful, but pretty nichey. Decent way of nailing mid-level Dispell Magics without actually needing Dispel Magic, I suppose.
Better than Part 1, no godawful flops like Noble Genie, but man...is anyone else starting to get burnt out on this unceasing floodtide torrent of UA subclasses? Just...just print the book already, Wizards. Whatever you're gearing up for, just stop teasing it already.
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but yea, I was thinking Love Domain and Creation Bard were pretty meh as well.
Conjuration Wizards were already a bit middling, and you'd think they would try to distinguish this new bard a bit more with some varied flavor, but nope, its pretty much just a bardy summoner. Nothing wrong with that, I guess. Just kind of boring.As for Love Domain, I initially said that the domain was a bit dull to me, but after re-reading it, I actually quite like it.. What's up with all these UA's and tethering effects, though? I'm not complaining since Noble Genie (while flavorful and fun-sounding) seemed a bit shite, and this one is ok I guess. I'll never complain when we get more Cleric subclasses, even if we don't need more.
It's ok Ranger, you'll always be cool to me.. Unless druid gets another use for its wild shape charges.
Love Domain meh? For the cost of a level 1 spell slot you can essentially cast bless on two characters, and as of level 6, for the cost of their reactions, the basically have stone skin but better. How is this feature Meh? Not to mention the RP value of the last tier of this with them going on a roaring rampage of revenge and awaking their partner with a gentle cup of the cheek.