Pretty new illustrated editions soon to be released! Alas, only 1,000 copies will be made, and the going price will be $1,500 and they’ll likely sell out within seconds. Still, super pretty!
Pretty new illustrated editions soon to be released! Alas, only 1,000 copies will be made, and the going price will be $1,500 and they’ll likely sell out within seconds. Still, super pretty!
Pretty new illustrated editions soon to be released! Alas, only 1,000 copies will be made, and the going price will be $1,500 and they’ll likely sell out within seconds. Still, super pretty!
Nice. Except the price tag, which is nightmarish.
why soo expensive!?
Are they doing a Silmarillion version?
a whu?
It’s the prequel to LotR, essentially.
ah, So about the time when the games Shadow Of Mordor & Shadow Of War take place?
Pretty new illustrated editions soon to be released! Alas, only 1,000 copies will be made, and the going price will be $1,500 and they’ll likely sell out within seconds. Still, super pretty!
Nice. Except the price tag, which is nightmarish.
why soo expensive!?
Are they doing a Silmarillion version?
a whu?
It’s the prequel to LotR, essentially.
ah, So about the time when the games Shadow Of Mordor & Shadow Of War take place?
Nah, a couple hundred thousand years before that. But it covers all the way up to the first War of the Ring, when Sauron got defingered. It's mostly about god-level elves fighting Sauron's boss, Morgoth, and it's so big it makes the Ring look tiny and inconsequential.
Pretty new illustrated editions soon to be released! Alas, only 1,000 copies will be made, and the going price will be $1,500 and they’ll likely sell out within seconds. Still, super pretty!
Nice. Except the price tag, which is nightmarish.
why soo expensive!?
Are they doing a Silmarillion version?
a whu?
It’s the prequel to LotR, essentially.
ah, So about the time when the games Shadow Of Mordor & Shadow Of War take place?
Nah, a couple hundred thousand years before that. But it covers all the way up to the first War of the Ring, when Sauron got defingered. It's mostly about god-level elves fighting Sauron's boss, Morgoth, and it's so big it makes the Ring look tiny and inconsequential.
It’s totally epic and romantic and tragic. I love it.
Pretty new illustrated editions soon to be released! Alas, only 1,000 copies will be made, and the going price will be $1,500 and they’ll likely sell out within seconds. Still, super pretty!
Nice. Except the price tag, which is nightmarish.
why soo expensive!?
Are they doing a Silmarillion version?
a whu?
It’s the prequel to LotR, essentially.
ah, So about the time when the games Shadow Of Mordor & Shadow Of War take place?
Nah, a couple hundred thousand years before that. But it covers all the way up to the first War of the Ring, when Sauron got defingered. It's mostly about god-level elves fighting Sauron's boss, Morgoth, and it's so big it makes the Ring look tiny and inconsequential.
It’s totally epic and romantic and tragic. I love it.
I'm gonna have to look into that, cuz those games just threw me into middle earth and I don't plan to get out.
Pretty new illustrated editions soon to be released! Alas, only 1,000 copies will be made, and the going price will be $1,500 and they’ll likely sell out within seconds. Still, super pretty!
Nice. Except the price tag, which is nightmarish.
why soo expensive!?
Are they doing a Silmarillion version?
a whu?
It’s the prequel to LotR, essentially.
ah, So about the time when the games Shadow Of Mordor & Shadow Of War take place?
Nah, a couple hundred thousand years before that. But it covers all the way up to the first War of the Ring, when Sauron got defingered. It's mostly about god-level elves fighting Sauron's boss, Morgoth, and it's so big it makes the Ring look tiny and inconsequential.
It’s totally epic and romantic and tragic. I love it.
I'm gonna have to look into that, cuz those games just threw me into middle earth and I don't plan to get out.
Be aware that it is very complicated and written exclusively in Olde English. Which is probably why it's not nearly as popular as LotR
Pretty new illustrated editions soon to be released! Alas, only 1,000 copies will be made, and the going price will be $1,500 and they’ll likely sell out within seconds. Still, super pretty!
Nice. Except the price tag, which is nightmarish.
why soo expensive!?
Are they doing a Silmarillion version?
a whu?
It’s the prequel to LotR, essentially.
ah, So about the time when the games Shadow Of Mordor & Shadow Of War take place?
Nah, a couple hundred thousand years before that. But it covers all the way up to the first War of the Ring, when Sauron got defingered. It's mostly about god-level elves fighting Sauron's boss, Morgoth, and it's so big it makes the Ring look tiny and inconsequential.
It’s totally epic and romantic and tragic. I love it.
I'm gonna have to look into that, cuz those games just threw me into middle earth and I don't plan to get out.
Be aware that it is very complicated and written exclusively in Olde English. Which is probably why it's not nearly as popular as LotR
'Tis fine, for thineself wishes to learn Victorian Enlish anyhow.
There are only going to be a thousand of them made and the books contains new art from Alan Lee, the artist who did the art for several editions of LotR, like the 1992 centenary edition, The Children of HĂşrin, Beren and LĂşthien, The Fall of Gondolin, and a lot of the concept art for the films. Basically, if you are thinking LotR art and not thinking Tolkien's watercolors, you are thinking Alan Lee's art. So, they had to license the art from him, some of which has never been licensed before, and they have to recoup their licensing fees with only 1,000 copies to be sold.
ah, So about the time when the games Shadow Of Mordor & Shadow Of War take place?
Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War are non-canon (not to mention nonsensical and, in my personal and minority opinion, completely unplayable), so they do not take place anywhere in the timeline.
Be aware that it is very complicated and written exclusively in Olde English. Which is probably why it's not nearly as popular as LotR
Personal linguistic pet peeve:
This is the opening of the Silmarillion, which is decidedly written in Modern English:
There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called IlĂşvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aught else was made. And he spoke to them, propounding to them themes of music; and they sang before him, and he was glad.
This is the opening of Beowulf, which is Old English:
Hwæt. We Gardena in geardagum, þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon, hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon. Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum, monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah, egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad, weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah, oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra ofer hronrade hyran scolde, gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning.
"Victorian English", Shakespearian English, and much of what people think of as "Olde English" is still very much just Modern English.
It is more accurate to say that the Silmarillion is written like a religious text, such as the Bible, than saying it is in "Olde English"--the language is more complicated and allegorical, and it focuses on the stories that are important from a religious perspective. So long as you go into it with the expectation that you are reading a religious text, like the Bible or Quran, rather than a novel, like the Lord of the Rings or Hobbit, you should be fine.
There are only going to be a thousand of them made and the books contains new art from Alan Lee, the artist who did the art for several editions of LotR, like the 1992 centenary edition, The Children of HĂşrin, Beren and LĂşthien, The Fall of Gondolin, and a lot of the concept art for the films. Basically, if you are thinking LotR art and not thinking Tolkien's watercolors, you are thinking Alan Lee's art. So, they had to license the art from him, some of which has never been licensed before, and they have to recoup their licensing fees with only 1,000 copies to be sold.
ah, So about the time when the games Shadow Of Mordor & Shadow Of War take place?
Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War are non-canon (not to mention nonsensical and, in my personal and minority opinion, completely unplayable), so they do not take place anywhere in the timeline.
huh, also I had a feeling the games weren't fully Canon but I didn't know they weren't Canon at all. huh.
Oooh what’s everyone’s favourite LotR or Tolkien game? Board game, video game, or LOTRO, doesn’t matter.
Mine is the Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game. It’s the closest thing to an official Middle Earth game, as it’s licensed and all this other stuff by the movies and actually created in conjunction with their release.
Oooh what’s everyone’s favourite LotR or Tolkien game? Board game, video game, or LOTRO, doesn’t matter.
Mine is the Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game. It’s the closest thing to an official Middle Earth game, as it’s licensed and all this other stuff by the movies and actually created in conjunction with their release.
There are only going to be a thousand of them made and the books contains new art from Alan Lee, the artist who did the art for several editions of LotR, like the 1992 centenary edition, The Children of HĂşrin, Beren and LĂşthien, The Fall of Gondolin, and a lot of the concept art for the films. Basically, if you are thinking LotR art and not thinking Tolkien's watercolors, you are thinking Alan Lee's art. So, they had to license the art from him, some of which has never been licensed before, and they have to recoup their licensing fees with only 1,000 copies to be sold.
ah, So about the time when the games Shadow Of Mordor & Shadow Of War take place?
Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War are non-canon (not to mention nonsensical and, in my personal and minority opinion, completely unplayable), so they do not take place anywhere in the timeline.
Be aware that it is very complicated and written exclusively in Olde English. Which is probably why it's not nearly as popular as LotR
Personal linguistic pet peeve:
This is the opening of the Silmarillion, which is decidedly written in Modern English:
There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called IlĂşvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aught else was made. And he spoke to them, propounding to them themes of music; and they sang before him, and he was glad.
This is the opening of Beowulf, which is Old English:
Hwæt. We Gardena in geardagum, þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon, hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon. Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum, monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah, egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad, weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah, oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra ofer hronrade hyran scolde, gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning.
"Victorian English", Shakespearian English, and much of what people think of as "Olde English" is still very much just Modern English.
It is more accurate to say that the Silmarillion is written like a religious text, such as the Bible, than saying it is in "Olde English"--the language is more complicated and allegorical, and it focuses on the stories that are important from a religious perspective. So long as you go into it with the expectation that you are reading a religious text, like the Bible or Quran, rather than a novel, like the Lord of the Rings or Hobbit, you should be fine.
It's interesting how Greek mythology influenced Tolkien. The Iliad probably wasn't inspiration for any of Tolkien's work, as he preferred Germanic works, but there's definitely some Greek inspiration in the part of Return of the King before Frodo, Sam, and Smeagol meet Faramir. The area's climate and flora match Greece's, as does the latitude, assuming the Shire is England, and Tolkien mentions dryads only in that region.
It's interesting how Greek mythology influenced Tolkien. The Iliad probably wasn't inspiration for any of Tolkien's work, as he preferred Germanic works, but there's definitely some Greek inspiration in the part of Return of the King before Frodo, Sam, and Smeagol meet Faramir. The area's climate and flora match Greece's, as does the latitude, assuming the Shire is England, and Tolkien mentions dryads only in that region.
The Iliad is a fascinating work, with some of the most complex characters ever put to page. From Achilles, the fearsome warrior who spends most of the poem throwing an epic hissy fit that gets his friends and lover killed, to Hector, the reluctant defender who knows his brother is an idiot, to Helen, with her open mockery of a goddess, every major character, and a fair bit of the minor ones, are incredibly detailed, with layers of motivation backing their actions.
It also would be considered crude and would likely not be considered “literature” if published for the first time today. There are paragraphs and paragraphs that read like the script to 300 - extremely graphic depictions of dismemberment, disembowelment, decapitation, and the destruction of bone and sinew. Often these are in rapid succession - “A killed B in this graphic way, and then killed C in this different graphic way, then killed D…”. Add to that the fact that some of Homer’s descriptions of Greek mythology could best be described as “bad fabrication” and you have a poem that likely would be unfairly dismissed, it’s truly exceptional character development lost among reviews focusing on the gratuitous elements permitting the work.
It's interesting how Greek mythology influenced Tolkien. The Iliad probably wasn't inspiration for any of Tolkien's work, as he preferred Germanic works, but there's definitely some Greek inspiration in the part of Return of the King before Frodo, Sam, and Smeagol meet Faramir. The area's climate and flora match Greece's, as does the latitude, assuming the Shire is England, and Tolkien mentions dryads only in that region.
It's interesting how Greek mythology influenced Tolkien. The Iliad probably wasn't inspiration for any of Tolkien's work, as he preferred Germanic works, but there's definitely some Greek inspiration in the part of Return of the King before Frodo, Sam, and Smeagol meet Faramir. The area's climate and flora match Greece's, as does the latitude, assuming the Shire is England, and Tolkien mentions dryads only in that region.
The Iliad is a fascinating work, with some of the most complex characters ever put to page. From Achilles, the fearsome warrior who spends most of the poem throwing an epic hissy fit that gets his friends and lover killed, to Hector, the reluctant defender who knows his brother is an idiot, to Helen, with her open mockery of a goddess, every major character, and a fair bit of the minor ones, are incredibly detailed, with layers of motivation backing their actions.
It also would be considered crude and would likely not be considered “literature” if published for the first time today. There are paragraphs and paragraphs that read like the script to 300 - extremely graphic depictions of dismemberment, disembowelment, decapitation, and the destruction of bone and sinew. Often these are in rapid succession - “A killed B in this graphic way, and then killed C in this different graphic way, then killed D…”. Add to that the fact that some of Homer’s descriptions of Greek mythology could best be described as “bad fabrication” and you have a poem that likely would be unfairly dismissed, it’s truly exceptional character development lost among reviews focusing on the gratuitous elements permitting the work.
I love the Iliad. I'm just commenting on its' minimal influence on Tolkien's writing.
Just call me a Tolkienite! Also, I might be a BIT biased on the book vs. movie part, as I have not seen the movies. But I am going to reread the books soon. Should I start with the Hobbit or the Silmarilian?
Just call me a Tolkienite! Also, I might be a BIT biased on the book vs. movie part, as I have not seen the movies. But I am going to reread the books soon. Should I start with the Hobbit or the Silmarilian?
Start with the Hobbit then read the Lord of the Rings themselves. The Silmarillion, while great for established fans of the franchise, is not a good for your first foray into Tolkien's world. It is effectively a companion piece that provides backstory, but presumes you have already read the main novels.
Just call me a Tolkienite! Also, I might be a BIT biased on the book vs. movie part, as I have not seen the movies. But I am going to reread the books soon. Should I start with the Hobbit or the Silmarilian?
Start with the Hobbit then read the Lord of the Rings themselves. The Silmarillion, while great for established fans of the franchise, is not a good for your first foray into Tolkien's world. It is effectively a companion piece that provides backstory, but presumes you have already read the main novels.
As I said, though, this is a reread.
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a whu?
She/They/it
Keep in mind I'm in the UK so my time zone's GMT.
Definitely not an undead.
It’s the prequel to LotR, essentially.
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Member of the Cult of Cats, High Elf of the Elven Guild, and Sauce Priest & Sauce Smith of the Supreme Court of Sauce.
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ah, So about the time when the games Shadow Of Mordor & Shadow Of War take place?
She/They/it
Keep in mind I'm in the UK so my time zone's GMT.
Definitely not an undead.
Nah, a couple hundred thousand years before that. But it covers all the way up to the first War of the Ring, when Sauron got defingered. It's mostly about god-level elves fighting Sauron's boss, Morgoth, and it's so big it makes the Ring look tiny and inconsequential.
I'm the Valar (leader and creator) of The Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit/Anything Tolkien Cult!
Member of the Cult of Cats, High Elf of the Elven Guild, and Sauce Priest & Sauce Smith of the Supreme Court of Sauce.
If you want some casual roleplay/adventures in Middle Earth, check out The Wild's Edge Tavern, a LotR/Middle Earth tavern!
JOIN TIAMAT'S CONGA LINE!
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It’s totally epic and romantic and tragic. I love it.
I'm gonna have to look into that, cuz those games just threw me into middle earth and I don't plan to get out.
She/They/it
Keep in mind I'm in the UK so my time zone's GMT.
Definitely not an undead.
Be aware that it is very complicated and written exclusively in Olde English. Which is probably why it's not nearly as popular as LotR
I'm the Valar (leader and creator) of The Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit/Anything Tolkien Cult!
Member of the Cult of Cats, High Elf of the Elven Guild, and Sauce Priest & Sauce Smith of the Supreme Court of Sauce.
If you want some casual roleplay/adventures in Middle Earth, check out The Wild's Edge Tavern, a LotR/Middle Earth tavern!
JOIN TIAMAT'S CONGA LINE!
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'Tis fine, for thineself wishes to learn Victorian Enlish anyhow.
She/They/it
Keep in mind I'm in the UK so my time zone's GMT.
Definitely not an undead.
There are only going to be a thousand of them made and the books contains new art from Alan Lee, the artist who did the art for several editions of LotR, like the 1992 centenary edition, The Children of HĂşrin, Beren and LĂşthien, The Fall of Gondolin, and a lot of the concept art for the films. Basically, if you are thinking LotR art and not thinking Tolkien's watercolors, you are thinking Alan Lee's art. So, they had to license the art from him, some of which has never been licensed before, and they have to recoup their licensing fees with only 1,000 copies to be sold.
Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War are non-canon (not to mention nonsensical and, in my personal and minority opinion, completely unplayable), so they do not take place anywhere in the timeline.
Personal linguistic pet peeve:
This is the opening of the Silmarillion, which is decidedly written in Modern English:
There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called IlĂşvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aught else was made. And he spoke to them, propounding to them themes of music; and they sang before him, and he was glad.
This is the opening of Beowulf, which is Old English:
Hwæt. We Gardena in geardagum, þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon, hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon. Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum, monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah, egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad, weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah, oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra ofer hronrade hyran scolde, gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning.
"Victorian English", Shakespearian English, and much of what people think of as "Olde English" is still very much just Modern English.
It is more accurate to say that the Silmarillion is written like a religious text, such as the Bible, than saying it is in "Olde English"--the language is more complicated and allegorical, and it focuses on the stories that are important from a religious perspective. So long as you go into it with the expectation that you are reading a religious text, like the Bible or Quran, rather than a novel, like the Lord of the Rings or Hobbit, you should be fine.
huh, also I had a feeling the games weren't fully Canon but I didn't know they weren't Canon at all. huh.
She/They/it
Keep in mind I'm in the UK so my time zone's GMT.
Definitely not an undead.
Oooh what’s everyone’s favourite LotR or Tolkien game? Board game, video game, or LOTRO, doesn’t matter.
Mine is the Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game. It’s the closest thing to an official Middle Earth game, as it’s licensed and all this other stuff by the movies and actually created in conjunction with their release.
I'm the Valar (leader and creator) of The Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit/Anything Tolkien Cult!
Member of the Cult of Cats, High Elf of the Elven Guild, and Sauce Priest & Sauce Smith of the Supreme Court of Sauce.
If you want some casual roleplay/adventures in Middle Earth, check out The Wild's Edge Tavern, a LotR/Middle Earth tavern!
JOIN TIAMAT'S CONGA LINE!
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Lego LotR - it’s just good, casual, silly fun.
It reminds me kind of of the Iliad.
It's interesting how Greek mythology influenced Tolkien. The Iliad probably wasn't inspiration for any of Tolkien's work, as he preferred Germanic works, but there's definitely some Greek inspiration in the part of Return of the King before Frodo, Sam, and Smeagol meet Faramir. The area's climate and flora match Greece's, as does the latitude, assuming the Shire is England, and Tolkien mentions dryads only in that region.
I have a weird sense of humor.
I also make maps.(That's a link)
The Iliad is a fascinating work, with some of the most complex characters ever put to page. From Achilles, the fearsome warrior who spends most of the poem throwing an epic hissy fit that gets his friends and lover killed, to Hector, the reluctant defender who knows his brother is an idiot, to Helen, with her open mockery of a goddess, every major character, and a fair bit of the minor ones, are incredibly detailed, with layers of motivation backing their actions.
It also would be considered crude and would likely not be considered “literature” if published for the first time today. There are paragraphs and paragraphs that read like the script to 300 - extremely graphic depictions of dismemberment, disembowelment, decapitation, and the destruction of bone and sinew. Often these are in rapid succession - “A killed B in this graphic way, and then killed C in this different graphic way, then killed D…”. Add to that the fact that some of Homer’s descriptions of Greek mythology could best be described as “bad fabrication” and you have a poem that likely would be unfairly dismissed, it’s truly exceptional character development lost among reviews focusing on the gratuitous elements permitting the work.
Fascinating! I didn’t know that. Thanks Half.
I love the Iliad. I'm just commenting on its' minimal influence on Tolkien's writing.
I have a weird sense of humor.
I also make maps.(That's a link)
Just call me a Tolkienite! Also, I might be a BIT biased on the book vs. movie part, as I have not seen the movies. But I am going to reread the books soon. Should I start with the Hobbit or the Silmarilian?
Call me Blond. James Blond.
Start with the Hobbit then read the Lord of the Rings themselves. The Silmarillion, while great for established fans of the franchise, is not a good for your first foray into Tolkien's world. It is effectively a companion piece that provides backstory, but presumes you have already read the main novels.
As I said, though, this is a reread.
Call me Blond. James Blond.