I've scoured the vast universes known as The Internet in search for an answer to this question, but it has eluded me. So I ask you, the wise and knowledgable D&DB Collective to help me with this conundrum:
If you are Flying using the Eagle Whistle, and are knocked Prone, do you fall to the ground, or does the Whistle prevent you from falling since you are still blowing the Whistle?
EAGLE WHISTLE: While you blow an eagle whistle continuously, you can fly twice as fast as your walking speed. You can blow the whistle continuously for a number of rounds equal to 5 + five times your Constitution modifier (minimum of 1 round) or until you talk, hold your breath, or start suffocating. A use of the whistle also ends if you land. If you are aloft when you stop blowing the whistle, you fall. The whistle has three uses. It regains expended uses daily at dawn.
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Flying Movement: If a flying creature is knocked prone, has its speed reduced to 0, or is otherwise deprived of the ability to move, the creature falls, unless it has the ability to hover or it is being held aloft by magic, such as by the fly spell.
I think for you to avoid falling when you become prone, the item would have to say that you're hovering while blowing the whistle. Since it doesn't say you hover, it should work just like any other means of flight. My suggestion: don't go prone.
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Flying Movement: If a flying creature is knocked prone, has its speed reduced to 0, or is otherwise deprived of the ability to move, the creature falls, unless it has the ability to hover or it is being held aloft by magic, such as by the fly spell.
This helps a great deal. My ruling would be that as long as the Whistle is still in the character's mouth, and they have not stopped blowing into the Whistle, they would maintain flying, but still be knocked prone in the air.
One doesn't fall prone when flying if it has the ability to hover OR it is being held aloft by magic.
Ah, that is correct.
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One thing I would note - anything that is hitting the blower and knocking them prone should also probably call for a con check to see if they manage to keep blowing the whistle or if they falter and drop. You might then allow a reaction to restart using up the second or third use of the whistle ( I hope they weren’t already on the third use) .
The item is poorly written. It should say you gain a flying speed. This grants mechanical clarity and would answer the question about what happens when you get knocked prone (i.e you fall).
While the DM can make any ruling, there's no such thing written in the Eagle Whistle description.
True but then the piece in the description about having to keep blowing the whistle to keep flying is essentially concentration on the effect and so it should have a concentration check.
While the DM can make any ruling, there's no such thing written in the Eagle Whistle description.
True but then the piece in the description about having to keep blowing the whistle to keep flying is essentially concentration on the effect and so it should have a concentration check.
No such thing also written the Eagle Whistle has no relation whatsoever with concentration. Things that last until concentration ends (as if concentrating on a spell) specifically say so.
I agree that it's poorly written. It introduces the concept of "continuous blowing" without addressing any of the common-sense ways that someone might try to interrupt it. It "opens the door" with regards to the physicality of using it without really fleshing it out. The result is something that doesn't feel very realistic when sticking to RAW.
The concentration mechanic has a line about certain non-damaging things that could also be ruled to prompt a concentration check as the DM sees fit. Since this is the closest thing to "continuous blowing" - kind of like a physical form of concentration - I'd apply the same logic here. But yes, that would be a houserule.
RAW you can blow an Eagle Whistle continuously for a number of rounds or until you talk, hold your breath, or start suffocating. I'd rule that chanting or casting a spell with verbal component would end it, being variation form of talking.
Yes RAW you can blow it continuously and, since it doesn’t say anything about concentration etc there is nothing an opponent can do to stop it - even a silence spell won’t stop it because all your required to do is blow it, not make any sound with it. The spell was very poorly written and so RAW doesn’t work. So as DMs we have to drop down to RAI and that is where things like potential “concentration” checks come in.
The flying effect of a Eagle Whistle is not sound based or else it would require being able to hear it so i don't see why the silence spell should counter it. The emphasis is on blowing perhaps the design intent is being solely powered by air blowing.
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I've scoured the vast universes known as The Internet in search for an answer to this question, but it has eluded me. So I ask you, the wise and knowledgable D&DB Collective to help me with this conundrum:
If you are Flying using the Eagle Whistle, and are knocked Prone, do you fall to the ground, or does the Whistle prevent you from falling since you are still blowing the Whistle?
EAGLE WHISTLE: While you blow an eagle whistle continuously, you can fly twice as fast as your walking speed. You can blow the whistle continuously for a number of rounds equal to 5 + five times your Constitution modifier (minimum of 1 round) or until you talk, hold your breath, or start suffocating. A use of the whistle also ends if you land. If you are aloft when you stop blowing the whistle, you fall. The whistle has three uses. It regains expended uses daily at dawn.
Thank you for your time and consideration in this most urgent of matters :)
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It would not fall being held aloft by magic;
Hmmm...
I think for you to avoid falling when you become prone, the item would have to say that you're hovering while blowing the whistle. Since it doesn't say you hover, it should work just like any other means of flight. My suggestion: don't go prone.
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Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
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One doesn't fall prone when flying if it has the ability to hover OR it is being held aloft by magic.
This helps a great deal. My ruling would be that as long as the Whistle is still in the character's mouth, and they have not stopped blowing into the Whistle, they would maintain flying, but still be knocked prone in the air.
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Ah, that is correct.
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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One thing I would note - anything that is hitting the blower and knocking them prone should also probably call for a con check to see if they manage to keep blowing the whistle or if they falter and drop. You might then allow a reaction to restart using up the second or third use of the whistle ( I hope they weren’t already on the third use) .
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While the DM can make any ruling, there's no such thing written in the Eagle Whistle description.
The item is poorly written. It should say you gain a flying speed. This grants mechanical clarity and would answer the question about what happens when you get knocked prone (i.e you fall).
True but then the piece in the description about having to keep blowing the whistle to keep flying is essentially concentration on the effect and so it should have a concentration check.
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No such thing also written the Eagle Whistle has no relation whatsoever with concentration. Things that last until concentration ends (as if concentrating on a spell) specifically say so.
I agree that it's poorly written. It introduces the concept of "continuous blowing" without addressing any of the common-sense ways that someone might try to interrupt it. It "opens the door" with regards to the physicality of using it without really fleshing it out. The result is something that doesn't feel very realistic when sticking to RAW.
The concentration mechanic has a line about certain non-damaging things that could also be ruled to prompt a concentration check as the DM sees fit. Since this is the closest thing to "continuous blowing" - kind of like a physical form of concentration - I'd apply the same logic here. But yes, that would be a houserule.
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RAW you can blow an Eagle Whistle continuously for a number of rounds or until you talk, hold your breath, or start suffocating. I'd rule that chanting or casting a spell with verbal component would end it, being variation form of talking.
Yes RAW you can blow it continuously and, since it doesn’t say anything about concentration etc there is nothing an opponent can do to stop it - even a silence spell won’t stop it because all your required to do is blow it, not make any sound with it. The spell was very poorly written and so RAW doesn’t work. So as DMs we have to drop down to RAI and that is where things like potential “concentration” checks come in.
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The flying effect of a Eagle Whistle is not sound based or else it would require being able to hear it so i don't see why the silence spell should counter it. The emphasis is on blowing perhaps the design intent is being solely powered by air blowing.