I just want to play D&D. Not pathfinder, BESM, Gurps, Warhammer 40k, or anything else. I don't even use third-party content. Not even Critical Role. I always unselect those options when rolling a character here.
Just D&D.
I'm happy that a great number of players and third-party companies have taken matters into their own hands, to demonstrate how bad the proposed OGL changes are. Let's face it, they didn't just roll a nat 1. They rolled with disadvantage and got nat 1 on both. But, I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to ride out the storm. I've invested way too much money on virtual products here for me to just get up and walk away. As an older retired person, on a relatively fixed income, moving to another game would be far too expensive. I'd quit gaming first. Go get 'em! As for me, I'll be sitting on the sidelines.
I just want to play D&D. Not pathfinder, BESM, Gurps, Warhammer 40k, or anything else. I don't even use third-party content. Not even Critical Role. I always unselect those options when rolling a character here.
Just D&D.
I'm happy that a great number of players and third-party companies have taken matters into their own hands, to demonstrate how bad the proposed OGL changes are. Let's face it, they didn't just roll a nat 1. They rolled with disadvantage and got nat 1 on both. But, I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to ride our the storm. I've invested way too much money and virtual products here for me to just get up and walk away. As an older retired person, on a relatively fixed income, moving to another game would be far too expensive. I'd quit gaming first. Go get 'em! As for me, I'll be sitting on the sidelines.
I just want to play D&D. Not pathfinder, BESM, Gurps, Warhammer 40k, or anything else. I don't even use third-party content. Not even Critical Role. I always unselect those options when rolling a character here.
Just D&D.
I'm happy that a great number of players and third-party companies have taken matters into their own hands, to demonstrate how bad the proposed OGL changes are. Let's face it, they didn't just roll a nat 1. They rolled with disadvantage and got nat 1 on both. But, I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to ride out the storm. I've invested way too much money on virtual products here for me to just get up and walk away. As an older retired person, on a relatively fixed income, moving to another game would be far too expensive. I'd quit gaming first. Go get 'em! As for me, I'll be sitting on the sidelines.
Admirable. It takes guts (nowadays) to say you refuse to take sides when you don't like what either has to offer.
I just want to play D&D. Not pathfinder, BESM, Gurps, Warhammer 40k, or anything else. I don't even use third-party content. Not even Critical Role. I always unselect those options when rolling a character here.
Just D&D.
I'm happy that a great number of players and third-party companies have taken matters into their own hands, to demonstrate how bad the proposed OGL changes are. Let's face it, they didn't just roll a nat 1. They rolled with disadvantage and got nat 1 on both. But, I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to ride out the storm. I've invested way too much money on virtual products here for me to just get up and walk away. As an older retired person, on a relatively fixed income, moving to another game would be far too expensive. I'd quit gaming first. Go get 'em! As for me, I'll be sitting on the sidelines.
and you perfectly entitled to your choice without another person attacking you for having a different opinion. you go on with yo bad self.
I have never been a lawyer, but I was in sales for about half a lifetime, so I have some experience with aggressive initial offers. What I know is that it’s an art to making an offer that’s aggressive enough that when you back down you can end up where you want, but not so aggressive that you turn the clients off of the deal right out the gate. If one is to believe their line about the leaked version of 1.1 being nothing more than an aggressive initial offer, then they really screwed the pooch on that one.
This old-school hustle culture bullshit is ruining sales. People waste so much time with it. Spend 50% more time on the deal to make 5% more profit. It's counter productive and silly.
To be clear, I'm not calling you any of those names. You're probably cool (I mean, you're here, right?). But that whole old-school idea of sales is so outdated.
I’m not in sales anymore, I’m in education now. So no worries. 😂
The Gaslight is insane with this whole situation. It sucks so much to see what caused the greatest resurgence since 3.5 to become the likely demise of a long loved and cherished franchise that brought me to TTRPG. The worst part is a Billion dollar company is upset because they aren't making enough money fast enough. Not a great look WotC or Hasbro.
I just want to play D&D. Not pathfinder, BESM, Gurps, Warhammer 40k, or anything else. I don't even use third-party content. Not even Critical Role. I always unselect those options when rolling a character here.
Just D&D.
I'm happy that a great number of players and third-party companies have taken matters into their own hands, to demonstrate how bad the proposed OGL changes are. Let's face it, they didn't just roll a nat 1. They rolled with disadvantage and got nat 1 on both. But, I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to ride out the storm. I've invested way too much money on virtual products here for me to just get up and walk away. As an older retired person, on a relatively fixed income, moving to another game would be far too expensive. I'd quit gaming first. Go get 'em! As for me, I'll be sitting on the sidelines.
To paraphrase Winston Churchill: "D&D is the worst RPG available, except for all the others." I've tried a whole bunch, from Pathfinder 1 & 2 to White Wolf to GURPS to Rolemaster to Blades in the Dark to FATE to Mutants & Masterminds etc etc etc. None scratch that itch of variety, availability and playability for me like 5e does. I'm waiting to see the final version of 2.0, but I'm willing to forgive and move on if they get it right this time.
Court really isn't all that great of an option though, cause well it cost money to go to court and WoTC not only has all of its own money, but it has All of Hasbro's money too. Honestly, they could stall out court battles for years and years in just fillings. Many companies that their changes to the OGL would affect, don't have the resources to fight a legal battle like that.
Agreed. And everyone should expect a lot more of this gaslighting, doublespeak, and reskinned versions of the same awful new OGL before this is over. A decision of this scope and scale would have involved a lot of upper and middle management across functionally every department. They sent out contracts - this was a done deal as far as the company was concerned. Which means that everyone at the company who either received or was promised a promotion, raise, or whatever is directly incentivized to make sure it goes through in one form or another. It means that every lawyer they have on payroll or retainer is directly incentivized not to change the substance of the OGL, because that means revisiting all the language in every piece of legalese that has a dependency on the new OGL. It means that every budget which was based on having those royalties, monetizing others' work, and eliminating competition has to be recalculated. This announcement isn't them giving up. This is them scrambling to buy time, because every inch they give up in this fight is phenomenally expensive for the company, both in terms of future revenue, and in terms of lost man hours of work.
Keep boycotting and keep cancelling subscriptions until the message is unequivocal - if you want a new OGL, find a way to make it better for the community and yourselves than 1.0a.
To be honest I am hoping for the best possible outcome that is wizards not screwing over everyone and get there **** together otherwise people will leave the community for pathfinder or Pokémon tabletop united
Honestly, until we have the actual language of 2.0 (and don't trust leaks because, well, they probably haven't finished the document yet and you can't leak something that doesn't exist) it's too soon to either declare victory or declare that Wizards is just gaslighting and hasn't done anything.
At this point, it is obvious that no matter what Wizards/Beyond has to say, you all will continue to gripe about it. Good for you. If you are done, why are you still on this site posting. The actual OGL has not even been posted yet, but you are all up in a tizzy. Move on and let it rest. No one really cares whether you are leaving or not. Just leave!
Second, you’re going to hear people say that they won, and we lost because making your voices heard forced us to change our plans. Those people will only be half right. They won—and so did we.
And expect me to ever believe literally anything you say, this is a comical statement. It's a tremendously unserious response.
I own other systems, Pathfinder is perfectly fine for D&D vibes. bundleofholding currently has a bunch of non-OGL games on sale for like, $10. Including my new favorite system that I found, Mythras.
Cheaper, better rules, better dice, runs just as fine in Roll20, and not bound up by a greedy corporation.
I was subbed to dndbeyond for 3 years IIRC, had master edition for all of it for work groups, friend groups, etc. Nope, not anymore. Good luck to everyone staying, but this OGL indicates a shift in the company that I will absolutely not support. TTRPGs are a wide hobby and it'll be a more vibrant world with D&D not the sole provider of it.
To be honest I am hoping for the best possible outcome that is wizards not screwing over everyone and get there **** together otherwise people will leave the community for pathfinder or Pokémon tabletop united
i dont see any possible GOOD outcome.
this has been a devastation of the community's trust in the corporate stewardship of the thing they love.
after the debacle of 4e, it took them half a decade of being open, candid and community focused to rebuild that trust.
but they were only able to do so because D&D was a rounding error on Hasbro's corporate statements, and the D&D crew could do what they needed to do to rebuild trust.
D&D is now in the shareholders sites as THE profit driver and growth engine for Hasbro, there is no cover.
and when your first step to rebuild community trust is as full of blatant lies and bullshit as this statement is, you are not going to be successful in building back trust.
I mean to me it just seams like they wont take blame for what they are doing and want to still blame the community. Till we see the OGL 2.0 or what ever they call it I dont trust them. They have single handedly put a halt on all dnd publications till everyone can get clear answers and have driven so many great people from their community. I have already started transferring to other games as well. I cant get behind such behavior.
I just want to play D&D. Not pathfinder, BESM, Gurps, Warhammer 40k, or anything else. I don't even use third-party content. Not even Critical Role. I always unselect those options when rolling a character here.
Just D&D.
I'm happy that a great number of players and third-party companies have taken matters into their own hands, to demonstrate how bad the proposed OGL changes are. Let's face it, they didn't just roll a nat 1. They rolled with disadvantage and got nat 1 on both. But, I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to ride out the storm. I've invested way too much money on virtual products here for me to just get up and walk away. As an older retired person, on a relatively fixed income, moving to another game would be far too expensive. I'd quit gaming first. Go get 'em! As for me, I'll be sitting on the sidelines.
I am an experienced player (approximately 40 years) who is always looking for a group.
Nat 1 with a modifier of -3
Admirable. It takes guts (nowadays) to say you refuse to take sides when you don't like what either has to offer.
and you perfectly entitled to your choice without another person attacking you for having a different opinion. you go on with yo bad self.
I’m not in sales anymore, I’m in education now. So no worries. 😂
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I mean not really, it took them how long to phrase a response to this lol.
i just wanted to share this parody about #opendnd OGL 1.1 : Hasbro vs the World - Biggest D&D Crossover Event of All Time
The Gaslight is insane with this whole situation. It sucks so much to see what caused the greatest resurgence since 3.5 to become the likely demise of a long loved and cherished franchise that brought me to TTRPG. The worst part is a Billion dollar company is upset because they aren't making enough money fast enough. Not a great look WotC or Hasbro.
Older player looking for groups to take part in.
To paraphrase Winston Churchill: "D&D is the worst RPG available, except for all the others." I've tried a whole bunch, from Pathfinder 1 & 2 to White Wolf to GURPS to Rolemaster to Blades in the Dark to FATE to Mutants & Masterminds etc etc etc. None scratch that itch of variety, availability and playability for me like 5e does. I'm waiting to see the final version of 2.0, but I'm willing to forgive and move on if they get it right this time.
Court really isn't all that great of an option though, cause well it cost money to go to court and WoTC not only has all of its own money, but it has All of Hasbro's money too. Honestly, they could stall out court battles for years and years in just fillings. Many companies that their changes to the OGL would affect, don't have the resources to fight a legal battle like that.
Agreed. And everyone should expect a lot more of this gaslighting, doublespeak, and reskinned versions of the same awful new OGL before this is over. A decision of this scope and scale would have involved a lot of upper and middle management across functionally every department. They sent out contracts - this was a done deal as far as the company was concerned. Which means that everyone at the company who either received or was promised a promotion, raise, or whatever is directly incentivized to make sure it goes through in one form or another. It means that every lawyer they have on payroll or retainer is directly incentivized not to change the substance of the OGL, because that means revisiting all the language in every piece of legalese that has a dependency on the new OGL. It means that every budget which was based on having those royalties, monetizing others' work, and eliminating competition has to be recalculated. This announcement isn't them giving up. This is them scrambling to buy time, because every inch they give up in this fight is phenomenally expensive for the company, both in terms of future revenue, and in terms of lost man hours of work.
Keep boycotting and keep cancelling subscriptions until the message is unequivocal - if you want a new OGL, find a way to make it better for the community and yourselves than 1.0a.
To be honest I am hoping for the best possible outcome that is wizards not screwing over everyone and get there **** together otherwise people will leave the community for pathfinder or Pokémon tabletop united
Honestly, until we have the actual language of 2.0 (and don't trust leaks because, well, they probably haven't finished the document yet and you can't leak something that doesn't exist) it's too soon to either declare victory or declare that Wizards is just gaslighting and hasn't done anything.
At this point, it is obvious that no matter what Wizards/Beyond has to say, you all will continue to gripe about it. Good for you. If you are done, why are you still on this site posting. The actual OGL has not even been posted yet, but you are all up in a tizzy. Move on and let it rest. No one really cares whether you are leaving or not. Just leave!
Rolled a ‘1’ suggests that there was an element of chance in the decision. This was a choice that was made. Huge difference!
I don't know how you write:
And expect me to ever believe literally anything you say, this is a comical statement. It's a tremendously unserious response.
I own other systems, Pathfinder is perfectly fine for D&D vibes. bundleofholding currently has a bunch of non-OGL games on sale for like, $10. Including my new favorite system that I found, Mythras.
Cheaper, better rules, better dice, runs just as fine in Roll20, and not bound up by a greedy corporation.
I was subbed to dndbeyond for 3 years IIRC, had master edition for all of it for work groups, friend groups, etc. Nope, not anymore. Good luck to everyone staying, but this OGL indicates a shift in the company that I will absolutely not support. TTRPGs are a wide hobby and it'll be a more vibrant world with D&D not the sole provider of it.
i dont see any possible GOOD outcome.
this has been a devastation of the community's trust in the corporate stewardship of the thing they love.
after the debacle of 4e, it took them half a decade of being open, candid and community focused to rebuild that trust.
but they were only able to do so because D&D was a rounding error on Hasbro's corporate statements, and the D&D crew could do what they needed to do to rebuild trust.
D&D is now in the shareholders sites as THE profit driver and growth engine for Hasbro, there is no cover.
and when your first step to rebuild community trust is as full of blatant lies and bullshit as this statement is, you are not going to be successful in building back trust.
I mean to me it just seams like they wont take blame for what they are doing and want to still blame the community. Till we see the OGL 2.0 or what ever they call it I dont trust them. They have single handedly put a halt on all dnd publications till everyone can get clear answers and have driven so many great people from their community. I have already started transferring to other games as well. I cant get behind such behavior.
This was great.
They need to make a version with the fight scene from Ready Player One with the soundtrack "We're not gonna take it" playing too. lol
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not only how long it took, but given that time, how BAD a response it still is!
as PR campaigns go, this one is bad!