So I'm trying to play an arcane trickster rogue and I was wondering if I had the cantrips green flame blade and booming blade can they stack on 1 weapon. For example I want to attack someone with a dagger and they both take booming blade damage and green flame blade damage. Is that allowed or possible? Please let me know.
Not really, the swing of the weapon is the somatic component of the cantrip. Since as a rogue you can only cast one cantrip per turn you would not be able to cast two cantrips. An EK fighter with action surge or a sorcerer with quickened spell could cast two cantrips however they would be either Booming Blade or Green Flame Blade not both on one swing.
If you have Warcaster you could cast the cantrip again as a reaction, if something moves away from you, but again only one or the other not both.
I was wondering how far an optimised arcane trickster could go with cantrips. I now realise with sneak attack, normal melee damage and spell damage having another cantrip on top of that might be overkill.
At low level sure, but as you level up being able to use both cantrips at the same time on the same weapon is huge.
You can't use both of them at the same time, as was already pointed out you make the attack as part of the spell casting. At most you're going to get both off in one round, which requires you to be able to cast one as a bonus action. And you still can't sneak attack multiple times in one round.
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At low level sure, but as you level up being able to use both cantrips at the same time on the same weapon is huge.
You can't use both of them at the same time, as was already pointed out you make the attack as part of the spell casting. At most you're going to get both off in one round, which requires you to be able to cast one as a bonus action. And you still can't sneak attack multiple times in one round.
I literally said you can’t, and shouldn’t homebrew it. YOU literally said it wasn’t that big a deal. You should probably re-read the entire thread before coming at me bro.
At low level sure, but as you level up being able to use both cantrips at the same time on the same weapon is huge.
You can't use both of them at the same time, as was already pointed out you make the attack as part of the spell casting. At most you're going to get both off in one round, which requires you to be able to cast one as a bonus action. And you still can't sneak attack multiple times in one round.
I literally said you can’t, and shouldn’t homebrew it. YOU literally said it wasn’t that big a deal. You should probably re-read the entire thread before coming at me bro.
Did you notice that I wasn't quoting you? I was replying to the post directly above me. Speaking of re-reading the entire thread before replying...
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Not really, the swing of the weapon is the somatic component of the cantrip. Since as a rogue you can only cast one cantrip per turn you would not be able to cast two cantrips. An EK fighter with action surge or a sorcerer with quickened spell could cast two cantrips however they would be either Booming Blade or Green Flame Blade not both on one swing.
If you have Warcaster you could cast the cantrip again as a reaction, if something moves away from you, but again only one or the other not both.
This! Warcaster becomes increasingly interesting in this matter since you can sneak attack once per turn, not once per round. Meaning sneak attack can trigger on opportunity attacks.
Also please bear in mind that there is a dispute on being able to warcaster-OA green flame blade since it more or less targets (or can target) more than one enemy. A similar dispute is going on what happens when you OA booming blade, because Crawford tweeted that the enemy hit by booming blade can stop it's movement to avoid the secondary effect. This would lead to a cancelation of the movement which would negate the OA and so on. Pretty complicated imho.
Not really, the swing of the weapon is the somatic component of the cantrip. Since as a rogue you can only cast one cantrip per turn you would not be able to cast two cantrips. An EK fighter with action surge or a sorcerer with quickened spell could cast two cantrips however they would be either Booming Blade or Green Flame Blade not both on one swing.
If you have Warcaster you could cast the cantrip again as a reaction, if something moves away from you, but again only one or the other not both.
This! Warcaster becomes increasingly interesting in this matter since you can sneak attack once per turn, not once per round. Meaning sneak attack can trigger on opportunity attacks.
Also please bear in mind that there is a dispute on being able to warcaster-OA green flame blade since it more or less targets (or can target) more than one enemy. A similar dispute is going on what happens when you OA booming blade, because Crawford tweeted that the enemy hit by booming blade can stop it's movement to avoid the secondary effect. This would lead to a cancelation of the movement which would negate the OA and so on. Pretty complicated imho.
And that's why a lot of people ignore Crawford's tweets. Once an opportunity attack has been made, you shouldn't be allowed to call backsies. At most you should be allowed to stop in the new square you were entering while provoking the OA to avoid triggering the secondary damage from Booming Blade.
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
At low level sure, but as you level up being able to use both cantrips at the same time on the same weapon is huge.
You can't use both of them at the same time, as was already pointed out you make the attack as part of the spell casting. At most you're going to get both off in one round, which requires you to be able to cast one as a bonus action. And you still can't sneak attack multiple times in one round.
I literally said you can’t, and shouldn’t homebrew it. YOU literally said it wasn’t that big a deal. You should probably re-read the entire thread before coming at me bro.
Did you notice that I wasn't quoting you? I was replying to the post directly above me. Speaking of re-reading the entire thread before replying...
I mean you literally did quote me... it's in the post....
I'm not getting the Booming Blade debate. They move out of range, you hit them with BB, if they then move a further 5ft, they take the damage. If they don't move a further 5ft, they've still provoked the AoO, but they don't get the additional damage.
I'm not sure where the idea that it would cancel the AoO is coming from.
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I'm not getting the Booming Blade debate. They move out of range, you hit them with BB, if they then move a further 5ft, they take the damage. If they don't move a further 5ft, they've still provoked the AoO, but they don't get the additional damage.
I'm not sure where the idea that it would cancel the AoO is coming from.
Because technically an OA is triggered before they leave the square. If it wasn't, they would be out of range of the attack in many cases. So it's not move > OA, it's start moving to the next square > OA > finish moving to the next square(or don't in a case like Sentinel).
I mean you literally did quote me... it's in the post....
6th's original comment about not being overkill was in response to this line by OP:
I now realise with sneak attack, normal melee damage and spell damage having another cantrip on top of that might be overkill.
Not sure what "spell damage" means here, but I think 6th was saying that SA + a melee attack enhanced by a cantrip is not generally considered to be overkill. I think OP is still not really clear on the action economy of it all, but it sounded like they thought an Arcane Trickster shouldn't use cantrips when in reality it's a pretty great way to keep your damage up.
I'm not getting the Booming Blade debate. They move out of range, you hit them with BB, if they then move a further 5ft, they take the damage. If they don't move a further 5ft, they've still provoked the AoO, but they don't get the additional damage.
I'm not sure where the idea that it would cancel the AoO is coming from.
Because technically an OA is triggered before they leave the square. If it wasn't, they would be out of range of the attack in many cases. So it's not move > OA, it's start moving to the next square > OA > finish moving to the next square(or don't in a case like Sentinel).
I mean you literally did quote me... it's in the post....
6th's original comment about not being overkill was in response to this line by OP:
I now realise with sneak attack, normal melee damage and spell damage having another cantrip on top of that might be overkill.
Not sure what "spell damage" means here, but I think 6th was saying that SA + a melee attack enhanced by a cantrip is not generally considered to be overkill. I think OP is still not really clear on the action economy of it all, but it sounded like they thought an Arcane Trickster shouldn't use cantrips when in reality it's a pretty great way to keep your damage up.
Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. In a post that contains exactly zero quotes from Beardsinger.
Not really, the swing of the weapon is the somatic component of the cantrip. Since as a rogue you can only cast one cantrip per turn you would not be able to cast two cantrips. An EK fighter with action surge or a sorcerer with quickened spell could cast two cantrips however they would be either Booming Blade or Green Flame Blade not both on one swing.
If you have Warcaster you could cast the cantrip again as a reaction, if something moves away from you, but again only one or the other not both.
This! Warcaster becomes increasingly interesting in this matter since you can sneak attack once per turn, not once per round. Meaning sneak attack can trigger on opportunity attacks.
Also please bear in mind that there is a dispute on being able to warcaster-OA green flame blade since it more or less targets (or can target) more than one enemy. A similar dispute is going on what happens when you OA booming blade, because Crawford tweeted that the enemy hit by booming blade can stop it's movement to avoid the secondary effect. This would lead to a cancelation of the movement which would negate the OA and so on. Pretty complicated imho.
And that's why a lot of people ignore Crawford's tweets. Once an opportunity attack has been made, you shouldn't be allowed to call backsies. At most you should be allowed to stop in the new square you were entering while provoking the OA to avoid triggering the secondary damage from Booming Blade.
Agreed! Also I'm not sure if the booming blade effect should be noticeable for someone provoking an OA.
It's basically "Damn, I must get out of here." => Runs aways, gets hit by BB OA and then is like "Huh, just got hit by a sword in the back and now I get a funny feeling. Better stand still for one round".
Without BB no one would stop moving after getting hit by an OA since this is exactly what you expect when moving away without disengaging.
So I'm trying to play an arcane trickster rogue and I was wondering if I had the cantrips green flame blade and booming blade can they stack on 1 weapon. For example I want to attack someone with a dagger and they both take booming blade damage and green flame blade damage. Is that allowed or possible? Please let me know.
Not really, the swing of the weapon is the somatic component of the cantrip. Since as a rogue you can only cast one cantrip per turn you would not be able to cast two cantrips. An EK fighter with action surge or a sorcerer with quickened spell could cast two cantrips however they would be either Booming Blade or Green Flame Blade not both on one swing.
If you have Warcaster you could cast the cantrip again as a reaction, if something moves away from you, but again only one or the other not both.
Thank you so much!
I was wondering how far an optimised arcane trickster could go with cantrips. I now realise with sneak attack, normal melee damage and spell damage having another cantrip on top of that might be overkill.
It's not a huge boost. Definitely not overkill.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
At low level sure, but as you level up being able to use both cantrips at the same time on the same weapon is huge.
That's what I was thinking especially on a crit with a rogue having sneak attack. At high levels if it was allowed as one action it would be crazy
You can't use both of them at the same time, as was already pointed out you make the attack as part of the spell casting. At most you're going to get both off in one round, which requires you to be able to cast one as a bonus action. And you still can't sneak attack multiple times in one round.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
I literally said you can’t, and shouldn’t homebrew it. YOU literally said it wasn’t that big a deal. You should probably re-read the entire thread before coming at me bro.
Did you notice that I wasn't quoting you? I was replying to the post directly above me. Speaking of re-reading the entire thread before replying...
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
This! Warcaster becomes increasingly interesting in this matter since you can sneak attack once per turn, not once per round. Meaning sneak attack can trigger on opportunity attacks.
Also please bear in mind that there is a dispute on being able to warcaster-OA green flame blade since it more or less targets (or can target) more than one enemy. A similar dispute is going on what happens when you OA booming blade, because Crawford tweeted that the enemy hit by booming blade can stop it's movement to avoid the secondary effect. This would lead to a cancelation of the movement which would negate the OA and so on. Pretty complicated imho.
And that's why a lot of people ignore Crawford's tweets. Once an opportunity attack has been made, you shouldn't be allowed to call backsies. At most you should be allowed to stop in the new square you were entering while provoking the OA to avoid triggering the secondary damage from Booming Blade.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
I mean you literally did quote me... it's in the post....
I'm not getting the Booming Blade debate. They move out of range, you hit them with BB, if they then move a further 5ft, they take the damage. If they don't move a further 5ft, they've still provoked the AoO, but they don't get the additional damage.
I'm not sure where the idea that it would cancel the AoO is coming from.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
Because technically an OA is triggered before they leave the square. If it wasn't, they would be out of range of the attack in many cases. So it's not move > OA, it's start moving to the next square > OA > finish moving to the next square(or don't in a case like Sentinel).
6th's original comment about not being overkill was in response to this line by OP:
Not sure what "spell damage" means here, but I think 6th was saying that SA + a melee attack enhanced by a cantrip is not generally considered to be overkill. I think OP is still not really clear on the action economy of it all, but it sounded like they thought an Arcane Trickster shouldn't use cantrips when in reality it's a pretty great way to keep your damage up.
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(Artificer) Swordmage | Glasswright | (Barbarian) Path of the Savage Embrace
(Bard) College of Dance | (Fighter) Warlord | Cannoneer
(Monk) Way of the Elements | (Ranger) Blade Dancer
(Rogue) DaggerMaster | Inquisitor | (Sorcerer) Riftwalker | Spellfist
(Warlock) The Swarm
Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. In a post that contains exactly zero quotes from Beardsinger.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Agreed! Also I'm not sure if the booming blade effect should be noticeable for someone provoking an OA.
It's basically "Damn, I must get out of here." => Runs aways, gets hit by BB OA and then is like "Huh, just got hit by a sword in the back and now I get a funny feeling. Better stand still for one round".
Without BB no one would stop moving after getting hit by an OA since this is exactly what you expect when moving away without disengaging.