The catch would be that when those texts are updated, I would never have to pay for it again. If I ended my subscription, I would also expect to lose access to those materials.
I would buy them out right too, if I could continue to get the updates for free. Nobody wants to buy a book, only to have it replaced.
Just an idea. I would prefer this if the materials were updated or next version does not cost anything. I hate having to wait to make a purchase, because they are planning to update a book. And anyone buying the MM, PHB, or DM between now and the the next release are screwed out of over a hundred dollars.
You want them to put out a new edition and not charge you for that even though that is a primary source of income for them?
Follow up, regardless:
would you be willing to pay 12 bucks a month?
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I just do not see how anyone is getting screwed, we all know new books are coming, we also know the old books will likely get the legacy tag and no longer be sold. It has been done with Volo's and Mordenkainen's Tomb of Foes. Plenty of people would like to buy them that can't, we get to choose for a little while to own any or all of them.
These new books are just that new books not updates, I ask again where are you paying for updates?
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You want them to put out a new edition and not charge you for that even though that is a primary source of income for them?
Follow up, regardless:
would you be willing to pay 12 bucks a month?
The subscription would be the new primary source of income for them, right? 94 of your american dollars a month, for as long as players want to keep playing - vs 90 dollars for the core books if you want them in print. That seems to me like they're making the same money for a fraction of the cost, and at a yearly basis rather than every 10 years. So that's ten times the money. I think they should be happy. I think they should be thanking us. Do you disagree?
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At $7/month, I'm not convinced it's worth it. After a about a year and a month, you'll have paid more than just buying them outright. Not that I'd be surprised if people went for it, people pay all sorts of illogical amounts for stuff, but it's not a good deal.
Personally, I think that it'd be much more enticing if it included all the sourcebooks and either all the adventures or a library system where you can have access to one or two adventures at at time. You pay your sub and you get the full DDB experience.
I doubt it DDB will ever go for such a system, though. Not because it's not a good system for them - it is, they get money and over the very long term, a few years, they'd be quids up - but because people are willing to full price for the books, and then pay for a subscription on top of that for what people used to do for free. In the corporate mentality, there's just no need to move from that position.
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You want them to put out a new edition and not charge you for that even though that is a primary source of income for them?
Follow up, regardless:
would you be willing to pay 12 bucks a month?
The subscription would be the new primary source of income for them, right? 94 of your american dollars a month, for as long as players want to keep playing - vs 90 dollars for the core books if you want them in print. That seems to me like they're making the same money for a fraction of the cost, and at a yearly basis rather than every 10 years. So that's ten times the money. I think they should be happy. I think they should be thanking us. Do you disagree?
Where are you getting $94/month from? The proposed sub would be $84/year?
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one has to wonder how much do you think the service should cost ?
i mean say you start a company, has to pay your licenses and then your employees and then the building you are in, and then the cost of servers to hold the ever growing database, and then the bandwidth you are using... how much do you think all of that cost for the service you are offered ? they are not just a book seller, if that was the case, WotC wouldn't have licensed them to begin with since thats what WotC is to begin with.
i'm completely fine paying 7$/month for a service that allows me to... Share my books with my 5 groups of friends. allow me to make infinite characters and their duplicated level 20 alter ego. the ability to share hombrews with others, the ability to get 25% off any new books i buy from this place. the ability to have a character builder that can do everything automatically and not be banned because they decided to be illegal and copy everything like most of the other softwares that aren't officially licensed. i pay for them to do the work i dont wanna do, that is creating my own database of new books that comes out for my own softwares. now with maps, i also pay to get that 10 gig space for my maps and the actual VTT that is with beyond.
basically you pay for the tools. if the tools do not interest you, then no i get it, dont pay... but every other places have bigger prices on books then beyond. so they are still the best place to get digital stuff.
but yeah, been paying the 120$ (canadian we pay 35% more) per year for 7 years and honestly never regretted it, even more by the number of people who want my books because they dont want to pay for them.
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You want them to put out a new edition and not charge you for that even though that is a primary source of income for them?
Follow up, regardless:
would you be willing to pay 12 bucks a month?
The subscription would be the new primary source of income for them, right? 94 of your american dollars a month, for as long as players want to keep playing - vs 90 dollars for the core books if you want them in print. That seems to me like they're making the same money for a fraction of the cost, and at a yearly basis rather than every 10 years. So that's ten times the money. I think they should be happy. I think they should be thanking us. Do you disagree?
Benefit of the doubt, I assume you mean 94 dollars (USD) a year, which is a bit more than was suggested (at 7 a month, it should be 84 a year).
While I have no doubt that a goal is to increase the number of people who pay for access and to shift away from print publication as a primary revenue source and such, I wasn't arguing for what they should be doing, but rather what they are doing.
Because the ultimate goal is still to have both a physical and digital copy of each book. Not *consumer side*, but production side.
I am not invested, myself, lol, as I do not gain many of the benefits since I cannot use many of the services offered as a part of the whole. This site gets me the books I can use, a forum, and whatever marketing news they toss out. Even the sharing stuff is a huge problem for me, since it is basically for use in character creation, and we can't create characters using the system here for our games.
Which is fine, and reveals another goal they have.
Thinking that a for profit corporation in the US should be happy is an error, imo, as the fundamental nature of things ensures that the could never be so (people within them might be, but companies do not have feelings). I have about 480 pages across three white papers that express my opinions more clearly on such, but suffice to say that I do think being happy is something companies should be able to do (despite being improbable without changing the nature of how they work legally).
Gratitude would be nice -- but gratitude that requires foregoing profit involves shareholder approval and for some reason all those big firms who exist because of 401k retirement programs are really unpleasant about that. USian systems are a freaking nightmare that way.
What you should have asked is "Why did you suggest the 12 a month?", or 144 a year.
And all of it, I note, is way more expensive than any current sub.
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You want them to put out a new edition and not charge you for that even though that is a primary source of income for them?
Follow up, regardless:
would you be willing to pay 12 bucks a month?
The subscription would be the new primary source of income for them, right? 94 of your american dollars a month, for as long as players want to keep playing - vs 90 dollars for the core books if you want them in print. That seems to me like they're making the same money for a fraction of the cost, and at a yearly basis rather than every 10 years.
You are assuming that the only benefits and costs of the subscription are access to the content in those books. A subscription covers many other services, and those services all require money for development and maintenance. The most common mistake people make on this forum is that DDB is the equivalent of an online book. It's not. If it were you'd download a pdf when you bought the book and be done with it. DDB is software as a service. It is primarily the incorporation of the content into the online tools that you are paying for.
You're also assuming that a company of this size can just turn on a dime and completely change all the logistics for a product line. They can't just flip a switch and stop printing and distributing books, there are a lot of relationships there and we don't know the details of the various contracts, licenses, and deals that outline them. There are plenty of successes with the subscription business model, but there are plenty of failures too. It would be irresponsible for them to just jump into it feet first and hope it all works out.
And finally, I just want to point out that the SRD is totally free. You can play 5e without buying any content and it runs just fine and is fully supported by the online tools. No one is making you play by updated rules, that is something you can choose to pay for if you decide it's worth the cost.
Benefit of the doubt, I assume you mean 94 dollars (USD) a year, which is a bit more than was suggested (at 7 a month, it should be 84 a year).
While I have no doubt that a goal is to increase the number of people who pay for access and to shift away from print publication as a primary revenue source and such, I wasn't arguing for what they should be doing, but rather what they are doing.
Because the ultimate goal is still to have both a physical and digital copy of each book. Not *consumer side*, but production side.
I am not invested, myself, lol, as I do not gain many of the benefits since I cannot use many of the services offered as a part of the whole. This site gets me the books I can use, a forum, and whatever marketing news they toss out. Even the sharing stuff is a huge problem for me, since it is basically for use in character creation, and we can't create characters using the system here for our games.
Which is fine, and reveals another goal they have.
Thinking that a for profit corporation in the US should be happy is an error, imo, as the fundamental nature of things ensures that the could never be so (people within them might be, but companies do not have feelings). I have about 480 pages across three white papers that express my opinions more clearly on such, but suffice to say that I do think being happy is something companies should be able to do (despite being improbable without changing the nature of how they work legally).
Gratitude would be nice -- but gratitude that requires foregoing profit involves shareholder approval and for some reason all those big firms who exist because of 401k retirement programs are really unpleasant about that. USian systems are a freaking nightmare that way.
What you should have asked is "Why did you suggest the 12 a month?", or 144 a year.
And all of it, I note, is way more expensive than any current sub.
That bit of math there was like ... way off. I was at work, my mind on other things.
No, corporations cannot be 'happy' - but they can set their aspirations to reasonable levels. Not, mind, that I'm saying they're likely to. Or about to. I would get into that bit more, but it get's political, and calls for historical comparisons, and guilloutines and stuff. Let's not go there. Suffice it to say that they're asking - or looking - for a massive jump in profitability, and my main point is that they're not getting it, not from me at any rate.
You are assuming that the only benefits and costs of the subscription are access to the content in those books.
Please don't to that. If you feel I'm being unclear, feel free to ask, but don't tell me what I think.
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Lol true. I bought the legendary bundle a few years ago not for me to DM, but I have been DMing a lot since I bought it and I have no regrets on the purchase. Been adding books as they go on sale. Physical books are not as convenient as digital with the tools here on DDB, but they are a great value and are always playable no matter who owns the IP or what they choose to do with it.
Anyone can buy the physical books and use the homebrew tools to add stuff straight to DDB if money is a big concern. It is an option and the least expensive I can find.
DDB is all about convenience, saving time not money, and it does this well!
Buy the hard copies. It is a far better deal. Most players only need one book, that being the PHB. We all know the math on who buys what.
Hard copies are good if you're playing with a local group of friends. Much less so if you're like me and my long-running group of internet friends. Honestly, D&DB is a great setup for us because one person splurged on Legendary a while back and so owns most of the books, and I can pay for the content-sharing membership so everyone gets access to the books. Plus just the ability to cross-link things like spell descriptions in class features or monster stats in adventure outlines can be pretty convenient too.
The question I have is if they did go this route, what happens when there’s something like an OGL debacle? People dumped their subscriptions, which is now their main revenue, possibly?
I doubt they will go this route any time soon. But I guess it’s a good question to ask
Buy the hard copies. It is a far better deal. Most players only need one book, that being the PHB. We all know the math on who buys what.
Hard copies are good if you're playing with a local group of friends. Much less so if you're like me and my long-running group of internet friends. Honestly, D&DB is a great setup for us because one person splurged on Legendary a while back and so owns most of the books, and I can pay for the content-sharing membership so everyone gets access to the books. Plus just the ability to cross-link things like spell descriptions in class features or monster stats in adventure outlines can be pretty convenient too.
Given the fact that the new leadership at wotc has been quoted, many many times, as stating that the player base is under-monetized, do you really think that will continue? Run me through the math right now. How much does the Legendary package and your content-sharing package cost monthly, combined? And how many people can have access to the books via those packages?
Buy the hard copies. It is a far better deal. Most players only need one book, that being the PHB. We all know the math on who buys what.
Hard copies are good if you're playing with a local group of friends. Much less so if you're like me and my long-running group of internet friends. Honestly, D&DB is a great setup for us because one person splurged on Legendary a while back and so owns most of the books, and I can pay for the content-sharing membership so everyone gets access to the books. Plus just the ability to cross-link things like spell descriptions in class features or monster stats in adventure outlines can be pretty convenient too.
Given the fact that the new leadership at wotc has been quoted, many many times, as stating that the player base is under-monetized, do you really think that will continue? Run me through the math right now. How much does the Legendary package and your content-sharing package cost monthly, combined? And how many people can have access to the books via those packages?
Poorly framed question, but only because you presume there is a monthly cost to the Legendary pack, when there is not.
My master tier is 4.60 a month. I can share my stuff with 36 people that I know of for sure, because that's what's going on right now -- in six campaigns that all of them play in.
unless there is some newly added tier I am unaware of, that's the most expensive one.
Books wise, the calculation becomes harder because I have bought them over time as circumstances allowed, and not as a bundle, and I have picked up a few odds and ends of value as well.
USD $12.10 would be the cost of the three books from the OP plus my tier of sub on a monthly basis, but only for one year.
It costs more to use Roll20, and you get less sharing (but you do get more systems, and most folks don't have a huge group of players with decades of play)
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Its ridiculous how you guys just forget the number 1 rule of capitalism... first off, you are trying to change a system that has been working for thousands of years... that wont happen. of course they want money, no the problem do not lie in the money they want. but in how you perceive the money they ask you. but thats just that, you are perceiving / interpreting the physical books as cheaper, that is not the case. you are paying here only half the cost of the physical books. the legendary bundle literally cost you half the real value of any physical books. yet you claim the physical books are cheaper ?
let's do the math here... a physical book gets you a real physical copy of a book, but no services attached to it. youget literally nothing else then white pages with ink drawn into them...
a digital service like here, offers you literally, the book itself but has the added benefits of doing stuff automatically for you, aka no need to write anything down, just automatically aded, they give you 25% off the next purchases, for a lifetime. like literally all the books in the next edition will cost me even less. the books themselves do not cost 90$ each (canadian dollars yeah we pay a ton for our real books) they cost me about 35$ here each. and i have access to all the services they offer along with it. including a much much much better way of finding the information i need when i need it.
yet you continue to say physical books are better then this ? pretty much all of my friends and people i know would disagree with you on many basis. and even the two who loves having physical books instead of digital agree they are paying a ton more then me for it.
mathematically, you pay a ton less by being here then you would ever pay by using physical copies. and you dont have to work for it. unlike your physical copies who would require you to put the effort of putting it here. your asking people to start putting effort into dungeons and dragons. i think you underestimate how much people are willing to pay to not put effort into things.
i for one would really love to pay someone to do my lawn then have to do it myself.
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The catch would be that when those texts are updated, I would never have to pay for it again. If I ended my subscription, I would also expect to lose access to those materials.
I would buy them out right too, if I could continue to get the updates for free. Nobody wants to buy a book, only to have it replaced.
Anyone else think this way?
Subscription based anything is not for me.
Where are you getting charged for updates?
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Just an idea. I would prefer this if the materials were updated or next version does not cost anything. I hate having to wait to make a purchase, because they are planning to update a book. And anyone buying the MM, PHB, or DM between now and the the next release are screwed out of over a hundred dollars.
Just to verify:
You want them to put out a new edition and not charge you for that even though that is a primary source of income for them?
Follow up, regardless:
would you be willing to pay 12 bucks a month?
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Wyrlde: Adventures in the Seven Cities
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An original Setting for 5e, a whole solar system of adventure. Ongoing updates, exclusies, more.
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I just do not see how anyone is getting screwed, we all know new books are coming, we also know the old books will likely get the legacy tag and no longer be sold. It has been done with Volo's and Mordenkainen's Tomb of Foes. Plenty of people would like to buy them that can't, we get to choose for a little while to own any or all of them.
These new books are just that new books not updates, I ask again where are you paying for updates?
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The subscription would be the new primary source of income for them, right? 94 of your american dollars a month, for as long as players want to keep playing - vs 90 dollars for the core books if you want them in print. That seems to me like they're making the same money for a fraction of the cost, and at a yearly basis rather than every 10 years. So that's ten times the money. I think they should be happy. I think they should be thanking us. Do you disagree?
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At $7/month, I'm not convinced it's worth it. After a about a year and a month, you'll have paid more than just buying them outright. Not that I'd be surprised if people went for it, people pay all sorts of illogical amounts for stuff, but it's not a good deal.
Personally, I think that it'd be much more enticing if it included all the sourcebooks and either all the adventures or a library system where you can have access to one or two adventures at at time. You pay your sub and you get the full DDB experience.
I doubt it DDB will ever go for such a system, though. Not because it's not a good system for them - it is, they get money and over the very long term, a few years, they'd be quids up - but because people are willing to full price for the books, and then pay for a subscription on top of that for what people used to do for free. In the corporate mentality, there's just no need to move from that position.
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Where are you getting $94/month from? The proposed sub would be $84/year?
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one has to wonder how much do you think the service should cost ?
i mean say you start a company, has to pay your licenses and then your employees and then the building you are in, and then the cost of servers to hold the ever growing database, and then the bandwidth you are using... how much do you think all of that cost for the service you are offered ? they are not just a book seller, if that was the case, WotC wouldn't have licensed them to begin with since thats what WotC is to begin with.
i'm completely fine paying 7$/month for a service that allows me to...
Share my books with my 5 groups of friends. allow me to make infinite characters and their duplicated level 20 alter ego. the ability to share hombrews with others, the ability to get 25% off any new books i buy from this place. the ability to have a character builder that can do everything automatically and not be banned because they decided to be illegal and copy everything like most of the other softwares that aren't officially licensed. i pay for them to do the work i dont wanna do, that is creating my own database of new books that comes out for my own softwares. now with maps, i also pay to get that 10 gig space for my maps and the actual VTT that is with beyond.
basically you pay for the tools. if the tools do not interest you, then no i get it, dont pay... but every other places have bigger prices on books then beyond. so they are still the best place to get digital stuff.
but yeah, been paying the 120$ (canadian we pay 35% more) per year for 7 years and honestly never regretted it, even more by the number of people who want my books because they dont want to pay for them.
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Benefit of the doubt, I assume you mean 94 dollars (USD) a year, which is a bit more than was suggested (at 7 a month, it should be 84 a year).
While I have no doubt that a goal is to increase the number of people who pay for access and to shift away from print publication as a primary revenue source and such, I wasn't arguing for what they should be doing, but rather what they are doing.
Because the ultimate goal is still to have both a physical and digital copy of each book. Not *consumer side*, but production side.
I am not invested, myself, lol, as I do not gain many of the benefits since I cannot use many of the services offered as a part of the whole. This site gets me the books I can use, a forum, and whatever marketing news they toss out. Even the sharing stuff is a huge problem for me, since it is basically for use in character creation, and we can't create characters using the system here for our games.
Which is fine, and reveals another goal they have.
Thinking that a for profit corporation in the US should be happy is an error, imo, as the fundamental nature of things ensures that the could never be so (people within them might be, but companies do not have feelings). I have about 480 pages across three white papers that express my opinions more clearly on such, but suffice to say that I do think being happy is something companies should be able to do (despite being improbable without changing the nature of how they work legally).
Gratitude would be nice -- but gratitude that requires foregoing profit involves shareholder approval and for some reason all those big firms who exist because of 401k retirement programs are really unpleasant about that. USian systems are a freaking nightmare that way.
What you should have asked is "Why did you suggest the 12 a month?", or 144 a year.
And all of it, I note, is way more expensive than any current sub.
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An original Setting for 5e, a whole solar system of adventure. Ongoing updates, exclusies, more.
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You are assuming that the only benefits and costs of the subscription are access to the content in those books. A subscription covers many other services, and those services all require money for development and maintenance. The most common mistake people make on this forum is that DDB is the equivalent of an online book. It's not. If it were you'd download a pdf when you bought the book and be done with it. DDB is software as a service. It is primarily the incorporation of the content into the online tools that you are paying for.
You're also assuming that a company of this size can just turn on a dime and completely change all the logistics for a product line. They can't just flip a switch and stop printing and distributing books, there are a lot of relationships there and we don't know the details of the various contracts, licenses, and deals that outline them. There are plenty of successes with the subscription business model, but there are plenty of failures too. It would be irresponsible for them to just jump into it feet first and hope it all works out.
And finally, I just want to point out that the SRD is totally free. You can play 5e without buying any content and it runs just fine and is fully supported by the online tools. No one is making you play by updated rules, that is something you can choose to pay for if you decide it's worth the cost.
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(Artificer) Swordmage | Glasswright | (Barbarian) Path of the Savage Embrace
(Bard) College of Dance | (Fighter) Warlord | Cannoneer
(Monk) Way of the Elements | (Ranger) Blade Dancer
(Rogue) DaggerMaster | Inquisitor | (Sorcerer) Riftwalker | Spellfist
(Warlock) The Swarm
That bit of math there was like ... way off. I was at work, my mind on other things.
No, corporations cannot be 'happy' - but they can set their aspirations to reasonable levels. Not, mind, that I'm saying they're likely to. Or about to. I would get into that bit more, but it get's political, and calls for historical comparisons, and guilloutines and stuff. Let's not go there. Suffice it to say that they're asking - or looking - for a massive jump in profitability, and my main point is that they're not getting it, not from me at any rate.
Please don't to that. If you feel I'm being unclear, feel free to ask, but don't tell me what I think.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
Buy the hard copies. It is a far better deal. Most players only need one book, that being the PHB. We all know the math on who buys what.
Lol true. I bought the legendary bundle a few years ago not for me to DM, but I have been DMing a lot since I bought it and I have no regrets on the purchase. Been adding books as they go on sale. Physical books are not as convenient as digital with the tools here on DDB, but they are a great value and are always playable no matter who owns the IP or what they choose to do with it.
Anyone can buy the physical books and use the homebrew tools to add stuff straight to DDB if money is a big concern. It is an option and the least expensive I can find.
DDB is all about convenience, saving time not money, and it does this well!
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Hard copies are good if you're playing with a local group of friends. Much less so if you're like me and my long-running group of internet friends. Honestly, D&DB is a great setup for us because one person splurged on Legendary a while back and so owns most of the books, and I can pay for the content-sharing membership so everyone gets access to the books. Plus just the ability to cross-link things like spell descriptions in class features or monster stats in adventure outlines can be pretty convenient too.
The question I have is if they did go this route, what happens when there’s something like an OGL debacle? People dumped their subscriptions, which is now their main revenue, possibly?
I doubt they will go this route any time soon. But I guess it’s a good question to ask
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Given the fact that the new leadership at wotc has been quoted, many many times, as stating that the player base is under-monetized, do you really think that will continue? Run me through the math right now. How much does the Legendary package and your content-sharing package cost monthly, combined? And how many people can have access to the books via those packages?
Poorly framed question, but only because you presume there is a monthly cost to the Legendary pack, when there is not.
My master tier is 4.60 a month. I can share my stuff with 36 people that I know of for sure, because that's what's going on right now -- in six campaigns that all of them play in.
unless there is some newly added tier I am unaware of, that's the most expensive one.
Books wise, the calculation becomes harder because I have bought them over time as circumstances allowed, and not as a bundle, and I have picked up a few odds and ends of value as well.
USD $12.10 would be the cost of the three books from the OP plus my tier of sub on a monthly basis, but only for one year.
It costs more to use Roll20, and you get less sharing (but you do get more systems, and most folks don't have a huge group of players with decades of play)
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Its ridiculous how you guys just forget the number 1 rule of capitalism...
first off, you are trying to change a system that has been working for thousands of years... that wont happen.
of course they want money, no the problem do not lie in the money they want. but in how you perceive the money they ask you.
but thats just that, you are perceiving / interpreting the physical books as cheaper, that is not the case. you are paying here only half the cost of the physical books. the legendary bundle literally cost you half the real value of any physical books. yet you claim the physical books are cheaper ?
let's do the math here...
a physical book gets you a real physical copy of a book, but no services attached to it. youget literally nothing else then white pages with ink drawn into them...
a digital service like here, offers you literally, the book itself but has the added benefits of doing stuff automatically for you, aka no need to write anything down, just automatically aded, they give you 25% off the next purchases, for a lifetime. like literally all the books in the next edition will cost me even less. the books themselves do not cost 90$ each (canadian dollars yeah we pay a ton for our real books) they cost me about 35$ here each. and i have access to all the services they offer along with it. including a much much much better way of finding the information i need when i need it.
yet you continue to say physical books are better then this ?
pretty much all of my friends and people i know would disagree with you on many basis. and even the two who loves having physical books instead of digital agree they are paying a ton more then me for it.
mathematically, you pay a ton less by being here then you would ever pay by using physical copies.
and you dont have to work for it. unlike your physical copies who would require you to put the effort of putting it here.
your asking people to start putting effort into dungeons and dragons.
i think you underestimate how much people are willing to pay to not put effort into things.
i for one would really love to pay someone to do my lawn then have to do it myself.
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Wyrlde: Adventures in the Seven Cities
.-=] Lore Book | Patreon | Wyrlde YT [=-.
An original Setting for 5e, a whole solar system of adventure. Ongoing updates, exclusies, more.
Not Talking About It / Dubbed The Oracle in the Cult of Mythology Nerds