This feels very much like giving the site information that it doesn't need. There should just be an "18+" box to tick (or whatever the highest age limit is). Though I guess I can just pick a fake date.
Do you know how this is getting stored? Since it seems from my first reading that the K-ID thing is a 3rd party involved? So where could we figure out who's actually holding our information?
There should just be an "18+" box to tick (or whatever the highest age limit is).
Agreed something like this would be a useful feature. Barring one section of the forum I feel like the vast majority of people I've interacted with (and myself) are over the minor age group by a reasonable margin.
This feels very much like giving the site information that it doesn't need. There should just be an "18+" box to tick (or whatever the highest age limit is). Though I guess I can just pick a fake date.
That's because it is giving the site information it doesn't need. In fact, what information the site needs isn't even part of the equation. How much information they can possibly get their hands on - legally or close enough to get away with it. Information is currency, and we're just giving it away because we don't get to have an opinion on it.
There's nothing on here that requires even an 18+ tick box. They want that information for only one reason: It's a market segment they can sell. There is no other reason.
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This feels very much like giving the site information that it doesn't need. There should just be an "18+" box to tick (or whatever the highest age limit is). Though I guess I can just pick a fake date.
That's because it is giving the site information it doesn't need. In fact, what information the site needs isn't even part of the equation. How much information they can possibly get their hands on - legally or close enough to get away with it. Information is currency, and we're just giving it away because we don't get to have an opinion on it.
There's nothing on here that requires even an 18+ tick box. They want that information for only one reason: It's a market segment they can sell. There is no other reason.
I would think that it's more so to do with some on the new laws that are coming about around the world
This feels very much like giving the site information that it doesn't need. There should just be an "18+" box to tick (or whatever the highest age limit is). Though I guess I can just pick a fake date.
That's because it is giving the site information it doesn't need. In fact, what information the site needs isn't even part of the equation. How much information they can possibly get their hands on - legally or close enough to get away with it. Information is currency, and we're just giving it away because we don't get to have an opinion on it.
There's nothing on here that requires even an 18+ tick box. They want that information for only one reason: It's a market segment they can sell. There is no other reason.
I would think that it's more so to do with some on the new laws that are coming about around the world
Yes. This.
It's a global product. Are you familiar with the privacy laws and laws surrounding minors in every English-speaking country (including multiple but not all US states) and a good number of non-English speaking ones? Enough that you understand how each of those nations and localities might define various products? Does a racy section of a play by post thread meet the UK’s definition of pornography? How about the state of Idaho? Do the message board meet Australia’s definition of social media?
If you’re a global company like WotC, are you better off risking fines and legal action from prosecutors or trying to localize every piece of content based on borders, or just avoiding the problem by getting age verification?
This feels very much like giving the site information that it doesn't need. There should just be an "18+" box to tick (or whatever the highest age limit is). Though I guess I can just pick a fake date.
That's because it is giving the site information it doesn't need. In fact, what information the site needs isn't even part of the equation. How much information they can possibly get their hands on - legally or close enough to get away with it. Information is currency, and we're just giving it away because we don't get to have an opinion on it.
There's nothing on here that requires even an 18+ tick box. They want that information for only one reason: It's a market segment they can sell. There is no other reason.
I would think that it's more so to do with some on the new laws that are coming about around the world
Yes. This.
It's a global product. Are you familiar with the privacy laws and laws surrounding minors in every English-speaking country (including multiple but not all US states) and a good number of non-English speaking ones? Enough that you understand how each of those nations and localities might define various products? Does a racy section of a play by post thread meet the UK’s definition of pornography? How about the state of Idaho? Do the message board meet Australia’s definition of social media?
If you’re a global company like WotC, are you better off risking fines and legal action from prosecutors or trying to localize every piece of content based on borders, or just avoiding the problem by getting age verification?
The Ghostfire Gaming Discord I'm on has certain channels (but not all) autolocking in the UK just because someone mentioned a key word whilst discussing their game. D&D Beyond probably just wants to head that sort of thing off before it becomes a problem
It's a global product. Are you familiar with the privacy laws and laws surrounding minors in every English-speaking country (including multiple but not all US states) and a good number of non-English speaking ones? Enough that you understand how each of those nations and localities might define various products? Does a racy section of a play by post thread meet the UK’s definition of pornography? How about the state of Idaho? Do the message board meet Australia’s definition of social media?
If you’re a global company like WotC, are you better off risking fines and legal action from prosecutors or trying to localize every piece of content based on borders, or just avoiding the problem by getting age verification?
In US health care, there are often interdisciplinary collaborations to meet a patient's need. Different kinds of providers have different sets of rules regarding privacy laws and sharing of information even among health care providers. To make sure that everyone is protecting the patient and each other, everyone should always be using the clinician's rules that are most restrictive.
This feels very much like what is happening here-taking the most strict interpretation of one law or another so that WotC never runs afoul of any law.
If anyone has a problem with it, take all the energy expended here and direct it at your representatives.
Join the rest of the world in the year 2025 and make friends globally, then get them to care enough to contact their representatives. The problems 'over there' have always impacted people 'over here', it just wasn't as noticeable across different socioeconomic classes until recently.
Frankly, this feels like a bit of a non-issue. Wizards already holds a pretty significant portion of data on any individual subscribed to this platform - emails, credit cards, geographic location, etc. Birthdays are not particularly much more intrusive than that. If you are concerned about your data being harvested, there is a handy dandy "Do not Sell or Share My Personal Information" at the bottom of the page you can utilize.
I do think it would be helpful for them to provide more information on the "disruptions" expected should someone not provide their information, or what reductions in service could be expected for certain age ranges and regions (since it asks for region alongside one's age during the verification). Disruptions could mean anything from (in order of what I expect is likely) "we are only removing forum access to those who designate they are in a region with limitations," we are limiting all minors' access to the forums because that is easiest," to "we are removing access to everything but the books and some tools, since campaign pages have some limited message board capacity," to "we are limiting all access to these individuals" (the last one feels incredibly unlikely and I think it is far too premature for folks to fearmonger over that possibility). With such uncertainty about what the vague word "disruptions" might mean, I think it would be really helpful for Wizards to chime in with a bit more clarity - even if the clarity is "we have to deal with new laws and are consulting with Legal right now, but we are still working on how we can proceed within the confines of the new legislation and will update you once we have a more firm plan."
Hm, OK, after reading those links, it's about giving a child parental consent. As an adult who doesn't have a child who has a account here I shouldn't need to do that. Is this Wizards doing something dodgy again?!
Hm, OK, after reading those links, it's about giving a child parental consent. As an adult who doesn't have a child who has a account here I shouldn't need to do that. Is this Wizards doing something dodgy again?!
There are both adults and children under 18 who use the site. If you're an adult, you have nothing to worry about; verifying your age and location is all you have to do. If a child wants to create an account, that's where the K-ID portion applies, and they have to get their parents to give consent through that platform.
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Hm, OK, after reading those links, it's about giving a child parental consent. As an adult who doesn't have a child who has a account here I shouldn't need to do that. Is this Wizards doing something dodgy again?!
No one knows, and that uncertainty is unsettling. Trust in WoTC is a little low, so suspicion is high. Then there is the discomfort around the 3rd party, who may be the one able to do shady things with that data, or store it improperly and basically have menu of personal information on a silver platter for anyone who wants to steal it for whatever reason.
the whole thing is uncomfortable.
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Out of curiosity, how many people who are worried about dropping their birthdate in a database no one is ever likely take a line by line to look at and that contains no other significant identifying information also avoid ever discussing their age or birthday plans or events on publicly facing social media like Facebook, Twitter, etc?
There's a BIG "Save the Children(By censoring & carving up the Internet)!" push going on.
Hasbro corporate & investors clearly doesn't want to pay the costs associated w/not complying, so they are.
While I think Hasbro investors & execs should shoulder the costs of penalties to protest the absurd power grab, they won't. Because they're likely waiting for & giddy to bid for being part of quite a few internet "packages" post-World Wide Web that don't have their competition in them.
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It’s still saying I need to enter a birthdate at the top of the screen, but whenever I click on it, the option never shows up. Am I good, or is there something else I still need to do before the 27th of January?
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Can someone please explain to me why, when I browsed to DDB this evening, I had to verify my DoB and location? Im in the UK.
K-ID Status or some such??
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This feels very much like giving the site information that it doesn't need. There should just be an "18+" box to tick (or whatever the highest age limit is). Though I guess I can just pick a fake date.
Do you know how this is getting stored? Since it seems from my first reading that the K-ID thing is a 3rd party involved? So where could we figure out who's actually holding our information?
Agreed something like this would be a useful feature. Barring one section of the forum I feel like the vast majority of people I've interacted with (and myself) are over the minor age group by a reasonable margin.
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That's because it is giving the site information it doesn't need. In fact, what information the site needs isn't even part of the equation. How much information they can possibly get their hands on - legally or close enough to get away with it. Information is currency, and we're just giving it away because we don't get to have an opinion on it.
There's nothing on here that requires even an 18+ tick box. They want that information for only one reason: It's a market segment they can sell. There is no other reason.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
I would think that it's more so to do with some on the new laws that are coming about around the world
Yes. This.
It's a global product. Are you familiar with the privacy laws and laws surrounding minors in every English-speaking country (including multiple but not all US states) and a good number of non-English speaking ones? Enough that you understand how each of those nations and localities might define various products? Does a racy section of a play by post thread meet the UK’s definition of pornography? How about the state of Idaho? Do the message board meet Australia’s definition of social media?
If you’re a global company like WotC, are you better off risking fines and legal action from prosecutors or trying to localize every piece of content based on borders, or just avoiding the problem by getting age verification?
The Ghostfire Gaming Discord I'm on has certain channels (but not all) autolocking in the UK just because someone mentioned a key word whilst discussing their game. D&D Beyond probably just wants to head that sort of thing off before it becomes a problem
In US health care, there are often interdisciplinary collaborations to meet a patient's need. Different kinds of providers have different sets of rules regarding privacy laws and sharing of information even among health care providers. To make sure that everyone is protecting the patient and each other, everyone should always be using the clinician's rules that are most restrictive.
This feels very much like what is happening here-taking the most strict interpretation of one law or another so that WotC never runs afoul of any law.
If anyone has a problem with it, take all the energy expended here and direct it at your representatives.
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But what if the problem rep is in another county?
Join the rest of the world in the year 2025 and make friends globally, then get them to care enough to contact their representatives. The problems 'over there' have always impacted people 'over here', it just wasn't as noticeable across different socioeconomic classes until recently.
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Frankly, this feels like a bit of a non-issue. Wizards already holds a pretty significant portion of data on any individual subscribed to this platform - emails, credit cards, geographic location, etc. Birthdays are not particularly much more intrusive than that. If you are concerned about your data being harvested, there is a handy dandy "Do not Sell or Share My Personal Information" at the bottom of the page you can utilize.
I do think it would be helpful for them to provide more information on the "disruptions" expected should someone not provide their information, or what reductions in service could be expected for certain age ranges and regions (since it asks for region alongside one's age during the verification). Disruptions could mean anything from (in order of what I expect is likely) "we are only removing forum access to those who designate they are in a region with limitations," we are limiting all minors' access to the forums because that is easiest," to "we are removing access to everything but the books and some tools, since campaign pages have some limited message board capacity," to "we are limiting all access to these individuals" (the last one feels incredibly unlikely and I think it is far too premature for folks to fearmonger over that possibility). With such uncertainty about what the vague word "disruptions" might mean, I think it would be really helpful for Wizards to chime in with a bit more clarity - even if the clarity is "we have to deal with new laws and are consulting with Legal right now, but we are still working on how we can proceed within the confines of the new legislation and will update you once we have a more firm plan."
Hm, OK, after reading those links, it's about giving a child parental consent. As an adult who doesn't have a child who has a account here I shouldn't need to do that. Is this Wizards doing something dodgy again?!
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No one knows, and that uncertainty is unsettling. Trust in WoTC is a little low, so suspicion is high.
Then there is the discomfort around the 3rd party, who may be the one able to do shady things with that data, or store it improperly and basically have menu of personal information on a silver platter for anyone who wants to steal it for whatever reason.
the whole thing is uncomfortable.
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Out of curiosity, how many people who are worried about dropping their birthdate in a database no one is ever likely take a line by line to look at and that contains no other significant identifying information also avoid ever discussing their age or birthday plans or events on publicly facing social media like Facebook, Twitter, etc?
There's a BIG "Save the Children(By censoring & carving up the Internet)!" push going on.
Hasbro corporate & investors clearly doesn't want to pay the costs associated w/not complying, so they are.
While I think Hasbro investors & execs should shoulder the costs of penalties to protest the absurd power grab, they won't. Because they're likely waiting for & giddy to bid for being part of quite a few internet "packages" post-World Wide Web that don't have their competition in them.
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As a publicly held company, Hasbro would be grossly negligent to openly ignore laws and regulations and invite the penalties, so that’s a non-starter.
It’s still saying I need to enter a birthdate at the top of the screen, but whenever I click on it, the option never shows up. Am I good, or is there something else I still need to do before the 27th of January?
The banners have been reappearing after being dismissed for several months now. I don't think you need to worry about it if you've already done it.