Ironically, I'd been considering buying a 2024 PHB just to check it out - it's just been on the backburner because I've been busy with other stuff, and haven't checked out all the YouTube videos reviewing it and stuff. Now I'm friggin p*ssed at it because I'm using D&D Beyond for all my stuff (as do most of the folks in my gaming groups), and everyone's been assuming there aren't going to be ANY surprises with using the 2014 stuff "as is". So what happens in a game when someone casts Counterspell (or whatever) and half the folks are using 2014 and the other half 2024, and we get bogged down into rules lawyers using two different rule books? ("We're in a 2014 campaign!" "Yeah, but they said it's an eratta!" "That's just BS to force folks to buy the new stuff. My physical book says it's 2014, so it's 2014"). I remember this from D&D 3.0 vs 3.5, and it left some bad feelings (and then it was just folks had out of date books).
So 1 of my current 6 players uses Herolab instead of DnD Beyond. We'll be looking at either getting additional licences or getting him to produce our level-ups.
This forced change is nothing but a money-grab. Eventually we no-doubt would have moved to the new system over the next year, but now I'm more likely to try Shadowdark.
"Some people are okay with these changes, and some are not"
Let me correct that for you...
"A very, very, very small percentage of people are okay with these changes, while the overwhelmingly vast majority of people are not"
Semantics. People who have negative opinions are generally more vocal about their displeasure than those who are okay with something. Those who are okay with something, as I'm seeing here, are quick to be called 'shills', 'sheep', or any other negative moniker.
Yeah, the people who like those changes are probably all not aware what any of this means, that compendium and character sheet content will diverge. You guys are in for a surprise when all the subscription cancellations come in.
When everybody is demanding the same thing you can absolutely appease everyone involved easily. The consistent demand is we just want to continue to use the app, character builder and VTT features with 5E content.
Unfortunately not EVERYONE is. There is clearly a number of folks who are wanting this, but there is no empirical data to support the amount of people for or against this. I see a survey in the distance.
I frankly don't care. There is maybe 4 spells from 2014 that I might consider still using. I think it's a waste of time for DnDB to legacy tag the old spells.
Bur if they did, it wouldn't bother me either.
Not every is 100% agreed, true. But when
- 95% want X,
- 4.9% want Y but don't care about X
- and only 0.1% actively want X removed
it seems a clear indication that X should be kept. Especially when X & Y can exist side by side and keep (almost) everyone happy.
And those numbers come from?
My arse, to illustrate the point 😉
The exact numbers don't matter. I think it's clear based on this thread that there's very few that actively want 2014 rules wiped from the system.
The vast majority in here want 2014 rules, but don't care about 2024, and a much smaller group want 2024 rules but don't care about 2014. Between them there's a clear majority that can be satisfied by 2014 and 2024 both being available. Which luckily is exactly what we were promised.
It doesn't even matter if those two groups are switched. As long as the group, in or out of the thread, that want 2014 rules wiped is a tiny minority the logical choice is to keep both.
I can believe that there's a large silent group of people happy with the new content, I cannot believe there's a large silent group who want 2024 rules *and* want 2014 rules removed.
This doesn't make the changes any better. It's still making it nigh impossible to use the app to play using the 5E.14 ruleset. Why would I use the app if I have to reference the compendium? The entire USP of the app is that the spells are accessible in one place, now it's actually worse than just using a book or searching the spell on google.
Getting updated spells and magic items for free, without giving them a dime for it, does make the changes better. A lot better. Before, it seemed as though you were just up the creek without a paddle and had to homebrew to even make your character sheet functional. Now, it will just be replaced with the most up to date versions. Very different and much better.
That's just monumentally stupid. They aren't giving you anything. They're forcibly taking away content that you paid for because you wanted it and replacing it with something you may or may not want. For anybody who's in the middle of a campaign and doesn't want a massive shift like this in the middle of their game, (which is nigh on every single person who regularly uses D&D beyond) this change is nothing but inconvenient at best and at worst it makes the app downright unusable. As he said, if you now have to reference the compendium every single time you want to do anything because they took away or replaced everything on your interactive character sheet, this is just objectively worse than using a book and a paper character sheet. You might have a point if it were optional or if character sheets still showed the 2014 versions of spells and items alongside the new version. But neither of those things were implemented so it is, in reality, just WoTC stealing the things you already paid for and replacing it with trash you didn't ask for.
The reason your point about it "being better" does not apply to what they are saying is that, the thing you're saying is better is not changed in this post. I don't know why you'd be under the impression that suddenly the spells wouldn't work at all. They said in the initial release that they would all be "updated" to the new version. That means they would automatically shift, not break. What you're saying is better is the original announced change, ergo it's not better; it's the same.
It does not apply to what they are saying because those people keep trying to have a separate argument that I have continually said I am not interested in having. The understanding that you are attributing to me is not mine and was never mine. It was however, the understanding that a great deal of posters had here, which caused them a great deal of anger, anxiety, and pain. Some people who did not even post there, however, have posted here early on to thank the devs for clarifying the issue of whether they would still have spells and magic items. Anyone who does not care about getting the updated spells and magic items are not responding to my posts appropriately, because my posts are very narrowly limited to only this topic of updated vs lost content. The problem that many had was that the 2014 versions would be removed, which is still true, and that they would not get the updated versions without paying, which is not true. The understanding was so widespread, that they had to state that this would not be the case in their update. Why do you think they would do that if not for a lot of angry posters expressing that understanding? Also, the original changelog does not state that the updated spells and magic items were available to those who owned the 2014 versions of them, only that they would be replaced. This created some of that confusion and uncertainty, which was necessary to address in this change log because some thought they were losing the 2014 versions and being forced to pay for the 2024 versions of something they already bought. This is not the case. Even if it did state that in the original change log, it does not matter because many who were upset still have the understanding that I described.
If you don't think it is better to have the new rules instead of nothing, I have amended my statement to include people with your opinion. That was not something I had considered, but others have pointed out that they would have preferred that WotC take away the 2014 and leave them with nothing. I don't agree with that position at all and it seems like people are cutting off their noses to spite their face. Nevertheless, I have admitted that there are some who would prefer nothing.
The one argument I can see for not having a 2014 and 2024 separated spell list and app functionality is that having twice the list means twice the server cost,. That and they really want to push people into buying 2024 books. Other than those two reasons, they shouldn't have lied to us and said everything was going to be backwards compatible.
I don't know about that, server space is cheap as hell, it's not 2003 anymore. The other thing is that instead of doubling their server load as making 2024 act as a second book you can pull from would cause, what they're doing instead is multiplying their server load by tens of thousands, if not millions.
EVERY DM that uses Beyond and wants to continue using 2014 rules, is going to be homebrewing EVERY spell from 2014. That is exponentially more of a burden on server costs than making the 2024 PHB act as a new book would cause.
That's just monumentally stupid. They aren't giving you anything. They're forcibly taking away content that you paid for because you wanted it and replacing it with something you may or may not want. For anybody who's in the middle of a campaign and doesn't want a massive shift like this in the middle of their game, (which is nigh on every single person who regularly uses D&D beyond) this change is nothing but inconvenient at best and at worst it makes the app downright unusable. As he said, if you now have to reference the compendium every single time you want to do anything because they took away or replaced everything on your interactive character sheet, this is just objectively worse than using a book and a paper character sheet. You might have a point if it were optional or if character sheets still showed the 2014 versions of spells and items alongside the new version. But neither of those things were implemented so it is, in reality, just WoTC stealing the things you already paid for and replacing it with trash you didn't ask for.
They are giving you something - updated versions of what you own. You can feel it is stupid if you want though. I disagree on whether the decision is stupid. Less than ideal, maybe, but not stupid.
I'm also not familiar with the architecture of the system, but whichever would be the easiest and most cost effective way to do it, should have already been done. perhaps the entire site should be, for the time being, put on hold for new content, while something new is built from the ground up, that would be able to not only accommodate current users regardless the edition of the rules they use, but be able to be forward compatible with any future large scale changes that would affect the 2024 rules users. I've seen references to spaghetti code from the original development, and rebuilding the entire thing just might be the solution for all of it.
I don' t think putting the site on hold is the answer; that means everyone that has paid for and wants the rules updates they've purchased loses out instead and isn't any better than what everyone's complaining about currently. I do agree that they should've anticipated this being a problem for some because you can never please everyone BUT they're following their policy in updating the site to the latest rules so, at least from my perspective, this was always expected.
It sucks that so many are hurt by this update and I think my proposal is a quick, easy solution even if it's only a temporary one. I have no control over WotC or the DDB team, though, I can only offer my suggestions to help the situation.
Maybe I need to clarify what I meant by put on hold. I meant put on hold the addition of new content that would generate breakages for people using the 2014 rules. That would only apply of course, if they were to rebuild the whole thing better, without internal code that could otherwise break things for everybody. Sorry about that.
Right... So if they held on pushing the update, everyone that wants the update would not get the update and would, thus, be the ones throwing angry fits on the forums right now.
And I see I need FURTHER clarification, though I think it's more a you thing and not a me thing, in the understanding department.
I NEVER said pause DDB as it currently operates, meaning so that nobody could use it in the interim. What I do know about software development is that new versions can be developed offline at the same time the original operational piece of software is running. Windows is a perfect example literally everybody should understand. Your PC doesn't just stop working because they are working on the next version. Development of a new version of DDB, one free of the spaghetti code I have seen mentioned many times here and elsewhere, COULD definitely happen, should Hasbro/WotC determine it is worth money. Not time, because we all know money is their driving motivation. As far as holding off pushing the 2024 rules update, that might not be a bad thing, if they decide to listen to their customers, and add those 100+ spells and the magic items that are planned to be left off, to Legacy status. but I hadn't considered that until you brought it up.
To be honest, they should have seen this coming. They should have taken the time to implement it so that nobody was angry. But they didn't.
I understand your statements. I don't think preventing the people who have paid for and expect the update when it is scheduled to release (like me) from getting the update is any better than preventing the people that don't want the 2024 update from using the old rules in the ways the expect.
And, yes, they should've seen it coming because, how silly of them to assume that everyone would just use the latest version of the rules on their official toolset. That's why I offered the DDB Classic option as a quick and easy means of giving EVERYONE what they want. :)
What should we really expect from the people that brought us the OGL scandal, the Pinkerton scandal, BlurGate, the Apology Tour, and now this?
I think 95% of that was blown way out of proportion so I am not sure what you're getting at. :)
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Omg… why are so many of you indulging in a daft argument about how many people want x and how many people want y???
it’s really not relevant!
we all paid for x (2014 spells). It’s that simple. It doesn’t matter if other people want Y (2024 spells), because wanting other things doesn’t negate what customers actually bought! There is no justification for REMOVING access to the tool we all paid for, for the content we actually bought. I’m super happy for those who wanted the 2024 spells and are getting them, awesome… but it’s simply irrelevant to the debate here.
“oh I got something free that I wanted!” Doesn’t actually negate people validly critiquing a paid for tool, that customers were advertised access to (and that drove most sales, because let’s be honest the vast majority of us didn’t use dnd beyond for the compendium!), being forcefully changed so they can no longer use said tools with the content they actually paid for. It is not up to WotC to determine what we spend our money on.
Debating how many people are happy with the free stuff, is just pointless as it genuinely really doesn’t matter!
The only issue here is that we were sold a product stating that it unlocked the exact content we bought for the toolset DDB provides. That is undeniably being removed with very little notice and is in all likelihood in breach of numerous trading standards regulations internationally. Let’s stay focused on that, rather than attacking each other over if they’re happy or not about the change. (because again people's happiness or not about the change is irrelevant to the topic at hand.)
I'm personally indifferent to this change (I use D&D Beyond as an online compendium and e-book source, I might touch the character builder a few times a year) but it seems symptomatic of a bigger problem: it's the least-effort change.
This doesn't really strike me as WotC trying to maximize their profits, because it fails at that -- if you like the 2024 spell changes you get them for free, if you don't like them you need to put in effort, either way you aren't giving Wizards any money. Most likely what's going on is that there's no built-in version tags for spells on character sheets, they're just stored as names, so if they change the defaults for a given spell name to point to the 2024 version, any references to that spell get updated.
There are several ways of dealing with that which wouldn't update old character sheets, but they all have a common feature: they require extra work. From a technical standpoint, the way they're doing it is almost certainly the easiest.
Exactly.
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but they promised us that it would be 100% backwards compatible. which was a lie.
THIS!!!
We were promised, repeatedly, that our 2014 content would be compatible with 2024.
Time and time again, that's just not true. From classes not working the same way anymore (all those classes that used to get subclasses at 1st now getting them at 3rd for instance), to just straight up not being able to use 2014 content on the official app, WotC has lied to us. I think that's what most people are mad about--we were promised one thing and given another.
Omg… why are so many of you indulging in a daft argument about how many people want x and how many people want y???
it’s really not relevant!
we all paid for x (2014 spells). It’s that simple. It doesn’t matter if other people want Y (2024 spells), because wanting other things doesn’t negate what customers actually bought! There is no justification for REMOVING access to the tool we all paid for, for the content we actually bought. I’m super happy for those who wanted the 2024 spells and are getting them, awesome… but it’s simply irrelevant to the debate here.
“oh I got something free that I wanted!” Doesn’t actually negate people validly critiquing a paid for tool, that customers were advertised access to (and that drove most sales, because let’s be honest the vast majority of us didn’t use dnd beyond for the compendium!), being forcefully changed so they can no longer use said tools with the content they actually paid for. It is not up to WotC to determine what we spend our money on.
Debating how many people are happy with the free stuff, is just pointless as it genuinely really doesn’t matter!
The only issue here is that we were sold a product stating that it unlocked the exact content we bought for the toolset DDB provides. That is undeniably being removed with very little notice and is in all likelihood in breach of numerous trading standards regulations internationally. Let’s stay focused on that, rather than attacking each other over if they’re happy or not about the change. (because again people's happiness or not about the change is irrelevant to the topic at hand.)
What spells did you pay for? The ones that were not in the free DnD core rules. So that's like Lomond's tiny hut as opposed to Tiny Hut?
but they promised us that it would be 100% backwards compatible. which was a lie.
I don't disagree with this. There are maybe 2 or 3 people who have actually cared to read and communicate a fair understanding of where I stand on this issue as a whole. I have voiced that I am less than pleased, but I am not angry because I am getting what I see as better versions of the content I own without having to pay anything at all. I would have preferred an easier transition, perhaps one that doesn't burden hardliner 2014 players so, but I am only going to be playing 2014 for as long as my DMs are requiring it. Once they move to 2024, I will as well and never look back. Legacy tags is an option, and surely one that the devs had considered. There are many possible reasons that I can think of for why they did not use that option for magic items and spells, but I only have the visibility into this issue as a consumer, which is limited.
Those hardliner 2014 players feel very differently and their feelings are valid.
but they promised us that it would be 100% backwards compatible. which was a lie.
THIS!!!
We were promised, repeatedly, that our 2014 content would be compatible with 2024.
Time and time again, that's just not true. From classes not working the same way anymore (all those classes that used to get subclasses at 1st now getting them at 3rd for instance), to just straight up not being able to use 2014 content on the official app, WotC has lied to us. I think that's what most people are mad about--we were promised one thing and given another.
When everybody is demanding the same thing you can absolutely appease everyone involved easily. The consistent demand is we just want to continue to use the app, character builder and VTT features with 5E content.
If that was the case no one would be here up in arms about receiving the latest update to 5E. What people want is to be able to use the old rules, which is fine, but doesn't help those who want the update. I've recommended a simple solution, here's hoping it works. :)
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Ironically, I'd been considering buying a 2024 PHB just to check it out - it's just been on the backburner because I've been busy with other stuff, and haven't checked out all the YouTube videos reviewing it and stuff. Now I'm friggin p*ssed at it because I'm using D&D Beyond for all my stuff (as do most of the folks in my gaming groups), and everyone's been assuming there aren't going to be ANY surprises with using the 2014 stuff "as is". So what happens in a game when someone casts Counterspell (or whatever) and half the folks are using 2014 and the other half 2024, and we get bogged down into rules lawyers using two different rule books? ("We're in a 2014 campaign!" "Yeah, but they said it's an eratta!" "That's just BS to force folks to buy the new stuff. My physical book says it's 2014, so it's 2014"). I remember this from D&D 3.0 vs 3.5, and it left some bad feelings (and then it was just folks had out of date books).
Just checked my FLGS Discord to see what the D&D Groups are going (about a dozen ongoing campaigns) - they're telling folks to print out all their D&D Beyond char sheets. Everyone currently uses their phone (well, I use an iPad, my eyes are old). This is going to be a disaster.... well, actually, the Cyberpunk Red and Call of Cthulhu folks are getting a good laugh, at least (they're all pen-n-paper).
When everybody is demanding the same thing you can absolutely appease everyone involved easily. The consistent demand is we just want to continue to use the app, character builder and VTT features with 5E content.
If that was the case no one would be here up in arms about receiving the latest update to 5E. What people want is to be able to use the old rules, which is fine, but doesn't help those who want the update. I've recommended a simple solution, here's hoping it works. :)
But people wanting free bonus stuff doesn’t actually trump people who want the things they actually purchased.
like you’re presenting these things as if the concerns are if equal merit… they’re not. People wanting a free update are a secondary concern to people wanting to keep the content they have because one drove initial sales and the other didn’t.
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Ironically, I'd been considering buying a 2024 PHB just to check it out - it's just been on the backburner because I've been busy with other stuff, and haven't checked out all the YouTube videos reviewing it and stuff. Now I'm friggin p*ssed at it because I'm using D&D Beyond for all my stuff (as do most of the folks in my gaming groups), and everyone's been assuming there aren't going to be ANY surprises with using the 2014 stuff "as is". So what happens in a game when someone casts Counterspell (or whatever) and half the folks are using 2014 and the other half 2024, and we get bogged down into rules lawyers using two different rule books? ("We're in a 2014 campaign!" "Yeah, but they said it's an eratta!" "That's just BS to force folks to buy the new stuff. My physical book says it's 2014, so it's 2014"). I remember this from D&D 3.0 vs 3.5, and it left some bad feelings (and then it was just folks had out of date books).
So 1 of my current 6 players uses Herolab instead of DnD Beyond. We'll be looking at either getting additional licences or getting him to produce our level-ups.
This forced change is nothing but a money-grab. Eventually we no-doubt would have moved to the new system over the next year, but now I'm more likely to try Shadowdark.
Yeah, the people who like those changes are probably all not aware what any of this means, that compendium and character sheet content will diverge. You guys are in for a surprise when all the subscription cancellations come in.
My arse, to illustrate the point 😉
The exact numbers don't matter. I think it's clear based on this thread that there's very few that actively want 2014 rules wiped from the system.
The vast majority in here want 2014 rules, but don't care about 2024, and a much smaller group want 2024 rules but don't care about 2014. Between them there's a clear majority that can be satisfied by 2014 and 2024 both being available. Which luckily is exactly what we were promised.
It doesn't even matter if those two groups are switched. As long as the group, in or out of the thread, that want 2014 rules wiped is a tiny minority the logical choice is to keep both.
I can believe that there's a large silent group of people happy with the new content, I cannot believe there's a large silent group who want 2024 rules *and* want 2014 rules removed.
That's just monumentally stupid. They aren't giving you anything. They're forcibly taking away content that you paid for because you wanted it and replacing it with something you may or may not want. For anybody who's in the middle of a campaign and doesn't want a massive shift like this in the middle of their game, (which is nigh on every single person who regularly uses D&D beyond) this change is nothing but inconvenient at best and at worst it makes the app downright unusable. As he said, if you now have to reference the compendium every single time you want to do anything because they took away or replaced everything on your interactive character sheet, this is just objectively worse than using a book and a paper character sheet. You might have a point if it were optional or if character sheets still showed the 2014 versions of spells and items alongside the new version. But neither of those things were implemented so it is, in reality, just WoTC stealing the things you already paid for and replacing it with trash you didn't ask for.
It does not apply to what they are saying because those people keep trying to have a separate argument that I have continually said I am not interested in having. The understanding that you are attributing to me is not mine and was never mine. It was however, the understanding that a great deal of posters had here, which caused them a great deal of anger, anxiety, and pain. Some people who did not even post there, however, have posted here early on to thank the devs for clarifying the issue of whether they would still have spells and magic items. Anyone who does not care about getting the updated spells and magic items are not responding to my posts appropriately, because my posts are very narrowly limited to only this topic of updated vs lost content. The problem that many had was that the 2014 versions would be removed, which is still true, and that they would not get the updated versions without paying, which is not true. The understanding was so widespread, that they had to state that this would not be the case in their update. Why do you think they would do that if not for a lot of angry posters expressing that understanding? Also, the original changelog does not state that the updated spells and magic items were available to those who owned the 2014 versions of them, only that they would be replaced. This created some of that confusion and uncertainty, which was necessary to address in this change log because some thought they were losing the 2014 versions and being forced to pay for the 2024 versions of something they already bought. This is not the case. Even if it did state that in the original change log, it does not matter because many who were upset still have the understanding that I described.
If you don't think it is better to have the new rules instead of nothing, I have amended my statement to include people with your opinion. That was not something I had considered, but others have pointed out that they would have preferred that WotC take away the 2014 and leave them with nothing. I don't agree with that position at all and it seems like people are cutting off their noses to spite their face. Nevertheless, I have admitted that there are some who would prefer nothing.
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I don't know about that, server space is cheap as hell, it's not 2003 anymore. The other thing is that instead of doubling their server load as making 2024 act as a second book you can pull from would cause, what they're doing instead is multiplying their server load by tens of thousands, if not millions.
EVERY DM that uses Beyond and wants to continue using 2014 rules, is going to be homebrewing EVERY spell from 2014. That is exponentially more of a burden on server costs than making the 2024 PHB act as a new book would cause.
They are giving you something - updated versions of what you own. You can feel it is stupid if you want though. I disagree on whether the decision is stupid. Less than ideal, maybe, but not stupid.
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I think 95% of that was blown way out of proportion so I am not sure what you're getting at. :)
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but they promised us that it would be 100% backwards compatible. which was a lie.
Omg… why are so many of you indulging in a daft argument about how many people want x and how many people want y???
it’s really not relevant!
we all paid for x (2014 spells). It’s that simple. It doesn’t matter if other people want Y (2024 spells), because wanting other things doesn’t negate what customers actually bought! There is no justification for REMOVING access to the tool we all paid for, for the content we actually bought. I’m super happy for those who wanted the 2024 spells and are getting them, awesome… but it’s simply irrelevant to the debate here.
“oh I got something free that I wanted!” Doesn’t actually negate people validly critiquing a paid for tool, that customers were advertised access to (and that drove most sales, because let’s be honest the vast majority of us didn’t use dnd beyond for the compendium!), being forcefully changed so they can no longer use said tools with the content they actually paid for. It is not up to WotC to determine what we spend our money on.
Debating how many people are happy with the free stuff, is just pointless as it genuinely really doesn’t matter!
The only issue here is that we were sold a product stating that it unlocked the exact content we bought for the toolset DDB provides. That is undeniably being removed with very little notice and is in all likelihood in breach of numerous trading standards regulations internationally. Let’s stay focused on that, rather than attacking each other over if they’re happy or not about the change. (because again people's happiness or not about the change is irrelevant to the topic at hand.)
Exactly.
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THIS!!!
We were promised, repeatedly, that our 2014 content would be compatible with 2024.
Time and time again, that's just not true. From classes not working the same way anymore (all those classes that used to get subclasses at 1st now getting them at 3rd for instance), to just straight up not being able to use 2014 content on the official app, WotC has lied to us. I think that's what most people are mad about--we were promised one thing and given another.
Same.
What spells did you pay for? The ones that were not in the free DnD core rules. So that's like Lomond's tiny hut as opposed to Tiny Hut?
I don't disagree with this. There are maybe 2 or 3 people who have actually cared to read and communicate a fair understanding of where I stand on this issue as a whole. I have voiced that I am less than pleased, but I am not angry because I am getting what I see as better versions of the content I own without having to pay anything at all. I would have preferred an easier transition, perhaps one that doesn't burden hardliner 2014 players so, but I am only going to be playing 2014 for as long as my DMs are requiring it. Once they move to 2024, I will as well and never look back. Legacy tags is an option, and surely one that the devs had considered. There are many possible reasons that I can think of for why they did not use that option for magic items and spells, but I only have the visibility into this issue as a consumer, which is limited.
Those hardliner 2014 players feel very differently and their feelings are valid.
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That is a fair point.
If that was the case no one would be here up in arms about receiving the latest update to 5E. What people want is to be able to use the old rules, which is fine, but doesn't help those who want the update. I've recommended a simple solution, here's hoping it works. :)
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Just checked my FLGS Discord to see what the D&D Groups are going (about a dozen ongoing campaigns) - they're telling folks to print out all their D&D Beyond char sheets. Everyone currently uses their phone (well, I use an iPad, my eyes are old). This is going to be a disaster.... well, actually, the Cyberpunk Red and Call of Cthulhu folks are getting a good laugh, at least (they're all pen-n-paper).
But people wanting free bonus stuff doesn’t actually trump people who want the things they actually purchased.
like you’re presenting these things as if the concerns are if equal merit… they’re not. People wanting a free update are a secondary concern to people wanting to keep the content they have because one drove initial sales and the other didn’t.