You are clearly not up to date in things 40k nor have you read many 40k books it seems. I don't need to "win" anything by posting Scouts or Aeldari Rangers (though for sake of argument they would definitely suffice). From the top of my head I can think of 4 different units that aren't scouts from the Marine range alone that use scopes and that doesn't even touch the novels or other factions.
How many units are there in the game?
Side note: 40k guns would be way OP in D&D
40k guns would be ridiculous. Modern weapons are already very powerful, and 40k takes that power to almost (and in some cases literally) satirical levels.
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I was thinking about getting into Warhammer 40k, should I get into it, or no? I am asking you people because you clearly have experience with the game/universe.
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I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it. Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks. MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
I was thinking about getting into Warhammer 40k, should I get into it, or no? I am asking you people because you clearly have experience with the game/universe.
I haven't played any recent editions of the wargame, although I'm somewhat aware of recent lore development. These other guys probably know much more about the current edition of the game. What I own and have played is the original game, Warhammer 40 K Rogue Trader, which is a tabletop wargame and not an RPG like the later Rogue Trader game. I'm a fan, but not a big one as I haven't invested in minis. I found the original edition a lot of fun.
Thanks, I was introduced to it by watching a Youtube channel, called Generation Films.
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I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it. Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks. MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
I was thinking about getting into Warhammer 40k, should I get into it, or no? I am asking you people because you clearly have experience with the game/universe.
I got into the lore just this summer. It is a very interesting setting, and a lot of modern Sci-fi is related to it. I haven't played the game, but know the rules and enjoy theorycrafting lists and tactics.
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All right. The thing is, I want to get into the game itself, but the miniatures are pricey.
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I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it. Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks. MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
All right. The thing is, I want to get into the game itself, but the miniatures are pricey.
There is a squad level game but I can't remember what it's called. There is also Necromunda which is also smaller scale in the 40k universe.
Warmachine and Hordes are also smaller scale miniature wargames. I like the mechanics of them much better than 40k. But that didn't stop me from investing in an Eldar army, Space Marine Army, and Harlequin Army.
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"real life is a super high CR."
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"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
When I get enough money, I think I am going to go with the Space Marines, or the Grey Knights.
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I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it. Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks. MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Or potentially the Orks. I mean, they can just WILL something to work and be ultra deadly.
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I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it. Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks. MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Just saying in Star Wars and 40k, I don't think they rely on scopes that much. Solo doesn't even use sights, he point shoots. Maybe I'm not so much against the development of gunpowder in S&S but optics.
No idea about Star Wars but for 40k that's absolutely wrong.
I like how my attempt at levity cascaded into a deadly serious discussion of 40K. Honestly I don't know how any of the common species with 40k musculature could bring eyes to site or scope without chicken-winging and getting their elbow shot off ... I guess since every combatant is so challenged in the 40k universe so the rules just factor it out.
Curious thing, I like how how herein there are the Tolkienesque "high fantasy preservationists" who posit no guns in their D&D and a lot of adherents in the "what's a the big deal?" camp, though a lot of the latter do draw a pretty clear bead on where the technology's development is limited. To that point, and the 40K introduction, I think it's interesting that Warhammer 40K which is D&D with guns and spaceships is a long standing viable property while straight up Warhammer which is more like "conservative" D&D in so far as gunpowder just isn't as much in the hobbies imagination, if it's even still produced.
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Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Warhammer Fantasy is full of characters and Archetypes that use guns. A gun is one of the Witch Hunter's main weapons, for instance.
As far as 40k goes, I know two real fanatics about it, totally into the game and lore and they both have full armies of pretty much every available option. With the new rules that just came out, they have completely turned their back on it and went to Fantasy or other tactile miniature wargames.
I did love Necromunda though. That was a very fun game.
Warhammer Fantasy is full of characters and Archetypes that use guns. A gun is one of the Witch Hunter's main weapons, for instance.
As far as 40k goes, I know two real fanatics about it, totally into the game and lore and they both have full armies of pretty much every available option. With the new rules that just came out, they have completely turned their back on it and went to Fantasy or other tactile miniature wargames.
I did love Necromunda though. That was a very fun game.
Maybe I'm confusing it and media with Warcraft/Starcraft, but I remember things going gunpowder boom in Warcraft too<shrug>.
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Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Warhammer Fantasy is full of characters and Archetypes that use guns. A gun is one of the Witch Hunter's main weapons, for instance.
As far as 40k goes, I know two real fanatics about it, totally into the game and lore and they both have full armies of pretty much every available option. With the new rules that just came out, they have completely turned their back on it and went to Fantasy or other tactile miniature wargames.
I did love Necromunda though. That was a very fun game.
Maybe I'm confusing it and media with Warcraft/Starcraft, but I remember things going gunpowder boom in Warcraft too<shrug>.
In Warcraft, maybe. We all know Blizzard got it's start from creating an RTS based off the lore of Warhammer Fantasy that, when presented, Games Workshop decided they didn't like or want. Which Blizzard doubled down on by not only creating Warcraft, but Starcraft from. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I've probably given Blizzard a thousand dollars over the years, and my wife about 5 times that. Right now, the only game of theirs I play is Diablo 3.
In Warhammer Fantasy, no. Witch Hunters were the stereotypical Witchfinders from most lore, but they used a musket and cutlass. Several other characters and armies used those, but I don't recall any kind of gunpowder fail in the Warhammer Fantasy setting. I could be wrong.
And just because this is my favorite fanboy (Not calling you, or anyone else posting on this a fanboy of one setting or the other, I love them both) reaction of all time, I have to share this classic between Gabe and Tycho:
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it. Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks. MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Just saying in Star Wars and 40k, I don't think they rely on scopes that much. Solo doesn't even use sights, he point shoots. Maybe I'm not so much against the development of gunpowder in S&S but optics.
No idea about Star Wars but for 40k that's absolutely wrong.
I like how my attempt at levity cascaded into a deadly serious discussion of 40K. Honestly I don't know how any of the common species with 40k musculature could bring eyes to site or scope without chicken-winging and getting their elbow shot off ... I guess since every combatant is so challenged in the 40k universe so the rules just factor it out.
Curious thing, I like how how herein there are the Tolkienesque "high fantasy preservationists" who posit no guns in their D&D and a lot of adherents in the "what's a the big deal?" camp, though a lot of the latter do draw a pretty clear bead on where the technology's development is limited. To that point, and the 40K introduction, I think it's interesting that Warhammer 40K which is D&D with guns and spaceships is a long standing viable property while straight up Warhammer which is more like "conservative" D&D in so far as gunpowder just isn't as much in the hobbies imagination, if it's even still produced.
Tolkien purism?
Black powder, or something very like it, does exist in the Third Age of Middle Earth. But no guns or cannon.
Fireworks, of which Gandalf's are not the only sort, merely the best. And Saruman's 'thunder' weapon used to blow down walls.
Middle Earth overall seems more of an Early Medieval setting than most published D&D settings. It might have banks, but we don't see enough of cities to know. There are some 'anachronisms' like a mantelpiece clock in the Shire, but perhaps those things reflect Dwarf technology. Mostly, fortifications appear to be simple castles of stone or wood, armor is mail, weapons are the spear and axe and sword. Gondor is more advanced, but I always had the feeling of the latter period of the Western Roman Empire or the Medieval East Roman Empire,, there, and I didn't imagine the soldiers in what looked almost like Early Modern plate as we see in the movies. There's one reference to a vambrace. To me, that didn't equate to a full suit of plate. Plate and mail, probably mostly mail.
But, yeah, Warhammer Fantasy is rife with gunpowder, at least if you are looking at the Dwarfs or the Empire forces. The Empire fields Pike and Shot style armies. The Dwarfs have some steam powdered vehicles and warmachines, and lots of guns as well as Dwarfy stuff like axes and hammers.
Bretttonia went from a HYW sort of vibe to a High Chivalric, no boomsticks thing in latter editions. So there's a technological regression, although it's a case of 'won't use guns' rather than' don't know how guns work.'
40k guns would be ridiculous. Modern weapons are already very powerful, and 40k takes that power to almost (and in some cases literally) satirical levels.
A fool pulls the leaves. A brute chops the trunk. A sage digs the roots.
My Improved Lineage System
40K, particularly in the earlier RT stuff, does seem a bit like 'D&D plus WW2 small unit combat in SPAAAACE'!
I was thinking about getting into Warhammer 40k, should I get into it, or no? I am asking you people because you clearly have experience with the game/universe.
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
I haven't played any recent editions of the wargame, although I'm somewhat aware of recent lore development. These other guys probably know much more about the current edition of the game. What I own and have played is the original game, Warhammer 40 K Rogue Trader, which is a tabletop wargame and not an RPG like the later Rogue Trader game. I'm a fan, but not a big one as I haven't invested in minis. I found the original edition a lot of fun.
Thanks, I was introduced to it by watching a Youtube channel, called Generation Films.
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
I got into the lore just this summer. It is a very interesting setting, and a lot of modern Sci-fi is related to it. I haven't played the game, but know the rules and enjoy theorycrafting lists and tactics.
A fool pulls the leaves. A brute chops the trunk. A sage digs the roots.
My Improved Lineage System
All right. The thing is, I want to get into the game itself, but the miniatures are pricey.
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
There is a squad level game but I can't remember what it's called. There is also Necromunda which is also smaller scale in the 40k universe.
Warmachine and Hordes are also smaller scale miniature wargames. I like the mechanics of them much better than 40k. But that didn't stop me from investing in an Eldar army, Space Marine Army, and Harlequin Army.
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
When I get enough money, I think I am going to go with the Space Marines, or the Grey Knights.
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
Or potentially the Orks. I mean, they can just WILL something to work and be ultra deadly.
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
I like how my attempt at levity cascaded into a deadly serious discussion of 40K. Honestly I don't know how any of the common species with 40k musculature could bring eyes to site or scope without chicken-winging and getting their elbow shot off ... I guess since every combatant is so challenged in the 40k universe so the rules just factor it out.
Curious thing, I like how how herein there are the Tolkienesque "high fantasy preservationists" who posit no guns in their D&D and a lot of adherents in the "what's a the big deal?" camp, though a lot of the latter do draw a pretty clear bead on where the technology's development is limited. To that point, and the 40K introduction, I think it's interesting that Warhammer 40K which is D&D with guns and spaceships is a long standing viable property while straight up Warhammer which is more like "conservative" D&D in so far as gunpowder just isn't as much in the hobbies imagination, if it's even still produced.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Warhammer Fantasy is full of characters and Archetypes that use guns. A gun is one of the Witch Hunter's main weapons, for instance.
As far as 40k goes, I know two real fanatics about it, totally into the game and lore and they both have full armies of pretty much every available option. With the new rules that just came out, they have completely turned their back on it and went to Fantasy or other tactile miniature wargames.
I did love Necromunda though. That was a very fun game.
Maybe I'm confusing it and media with Warcraft/Starcraft, but I remember things going gunpowder boom in Warcraft too<shrug>.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
In Warcraft, maybe. We all know Blizzard got it's start from creating an RTS based off the lore of Warhammer Fantasy that, when presented, Games Workshop decided they didn't like or want. Which Blizzard doubled down on by not only creating Warcraft, but Starcraft from. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I've probably given Blizzard a thousand dollars over the years, and my wife about 5 times that. Right now, the only game of theirs I play is Diablo 3.
In Warhammer Fantasy, no. Witch Hunters were the stereotypical Witchfinders from most lore, but they used a musket and cutlass. Several other characters and armies used those, but I don't recall any kind of gunpowder fail in the Warhammer Fantasy setting. I could be wrong.
And just because this is my favorite fanboy (Not calling you, or anyone else posting on this a fanboy of one setting or the other, I love them both) reaction of all time, I have to share this classic between Gabe and Tycho:
OK. Thanks for the advice!
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
Tolkien purism?
Black powder, or something very like it, does exist in the Third Age of Middle Earth. But no guns or cannon.
Fireworks, of which Gandalf's are not the only sort, merely the best. And Saruman's 'thunder' weapon used to blow down walls.
Middle Earth overall seems more of an Early Medieval setting than most published D&D settings. It might have banks, but we don't see enough of cities to know. There are some 'anachronisms' like a mantelpiece clock in the Shire, but perhaps those things reflect Dwarf technology. Mostly, fortifications appear to be simple castles of stone or wood, armor is mail, weapons are the spear and axe and sword. Gondor is more advanced, but I always had the feeling of the latter period of the Western Roman Empire or the Medieval East Roman Empire,, there, and I didn't imagine the soldiers in what looked almost like Early Modern plate as we see in the movies. There's one reference to a vambrace. To me, that didn't equate to a full suit of plate. Plate and mail, probably mostly mail.
YMEMV
But, yeah, Warhammer Fantasy is rife with gunpowder, at least if you are looking at the Dwarfs or the Empire forces. The Empire fields Pike and Shot style armies. The Dwarfs have some steam powdered vehicles and warmachines, and lots of guns as well as Dwarfy stuff like axes and hammers.
Bretttonia went from a HYW sort of vibe to a High Chivalric, no boomsticks thing in latter editions. So there's a technological regression, although it's a case of 'won't use guns' rather than' don't know how guns work.'
You could dip back into the old Spelljammer rules for inspiration (May require some conversion) : http://www.spelljammer.org/chars/equip/weapons3e.html as well as this homebrew: https://www.gmbinder.com/share/-LaQ-9bfLBNNBm-hoMee (Already in 5e) This may get you started.