I dont understand the reason to complicate Tools. Why learn Tools and the associated Proficiency? Would it not simplify things if you learn a tool, you also know the associated prof?
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You learn a proficiency and you know how to use the associated tool with it?
Ummm. That is how tool proficiencies work. If you are proficient in a tool, you add your proficiency bonus to rolls when using that tool. About the only confusing part is which ability score is associated with the tool use since that is undefined, but that’s probably better left open, because different situations call for different abilities.
non-combat skill proficiencies aren't a thing in 5e. instead of gaining proficiency in pottery you gain proficiency in Artisans Tools: Pottery Tools. the only change i remember there is that all of them are 15GP in UA1-UA4.
or are you talking about something like the interaction with Thieves Tools and Slight of Hand (DEX)?
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The rules say, if you know how to use a tool and also know the proficiency associated with that tool, you double your Prof bonus. Why do they have to be separate? How do you know how to use a tool and not have the proficiency associated with it? Makes no sense and unnecessary extra step. Sorry cant figure out how to post an image here. Sorry rules say advantage, not double prof
Nonono. You don’t “know how to use a tool” and also “know a proficiency.” You “have proficiency with a tool,” and if you also “have proficiency with a skill” that would apply to a particular check then you get to treat it as if you have expertise in that tool for that specific check.
I dont understand the reason to complicate Tools. Why learn Tools and the associated Proficiency? Would it not simplify things if you learn a tool, you also know the associated prof?
OR
You learn a proficiency and you know how to use the associated tool with it?
I’m not sure I understand the question. Having proficiency with tools means you’ve learned how to use them.
Ummm. That is how tool proficiencies work. If you are proficient in a tool, you add your proficiency bonus to rolls when using that tool. About the only confusing part is which ability score is associated with the tool use since that is undefined, but that’s probably better left open, because different situations call for different abilities.
How is it that you think they work?
non-combat skill proficiencies aren't a thing in 5e. instead of gaining proficiency in pottery you gain proficiency in Artisans Tools: Pottery Tools. the only change i remember there is that all of them are 15GP in UA1-UA4.
or are you talking about something like the interaction with Thieves Tools and Slight of Hand (DEX)?
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The rules say, if you know how to use a tool and also know the proficiency associated with that tool, you double your Prof bonus. Why do they have to be separate? How do you know how to use a tool and not have the proficiency associated with it? Makes no sense and unnecessary extra step. Sorry cant figure out how to post an image here. Sorry rules say advantage, not double prof
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ModeratorIt's talking about having proficiency with both a Skill and a Tool. For example, Thieves' Tools and Sleight of Hand.
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Nonono. You don’t “know how to use a tool” and also “know a proficiency.” You “have proficiency with a tool,” and if you also “have proficiency with a skill” that would apply to a particular check then you get to treat it as if you have expertise in that tool for that specific check.
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Ok, now I get it