Random question that's probably obvious or easily answered, also probably asked before on this thread: How come the orcs/goblins/Uruk-hai (probably butchered that spelling) didn't get any rings of power? Or did they in the books and the movies just don't pay attention to it because it's not important even in the books?
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Random question that's probably obvious or easily answered, also probably asked before on this thread: How come the orcs/goblins/Uruk-hai (probably butchered that spelling) didn't get any rings of power? Or did they in the books and the movies just don't pay attention to it because it's not important even in the books?
Cause they were already evil, so Sauron didn’t need to corrupt them.
Also, when Glorfindel appears in FotR, he mentions that he and two other riders were sent to look for Aragorn and the hobbits, as there are only three elves in Rivendell(Other than Elrond) who are capable of fighting the Nazgul. Thought it's not specified who the other two are, they're likely Elladan and Elrohir, Elrond's sons.
Random question that's probably obvious or easily answered, also probably asked before on this thread: How come the orcs/goblins/Uruk-hai (probably butchered that spelling) didn't get any rings of power? Or did they in the books and the movies just don't pay attention to it because it's not important even in the books?
Cause they were already evil, so Sauron didn’t need to corrupt them.
Ah, makes sense. Thx.
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Random question that's probably obvious or easily answered, also probably asked before on this thread: How come the orcs/goblins/Uruk-hai (probably butchered that spelling) didn't get any rings of power? Or did they in the books and the movies just don't pay attention to it because it's not important even in the books?
Cause they were already evil, so Sauron didn’t need to corrupt them.
Random question that's probably obvious or easily answered, also probably asked before on this thread: How come the orcs/goblins/Uruk-hai (probably butchered that spelling) didn't get any rings of power? Or did they in the books and the movies just don't pay attention to it because it's not important even in the books?
The simple answer: Neither the elves nor Sauron had cause to give the orcs rings.
The more complex answer:
There are three principle races in Middle Earth - Elves and Men, created by Ilúvatar (the supreme god of the world), and the dwarves, created by Aulë, one of the Valar, which are essentially divine beings under Ilúvatar (think a similar position to archangels in Christianity, which was a principle inspiration for Tolkien).
Orcs and goblins are the same species--goblins is just a term used in the more child-friendly and accessible novel, The Hobbit. Uruks are a specific elite breed of orc created by Sauron and Uruk-hai (you spelled it correctly) are another specific breed created by Saruman, with indications the Uruk-hai were created by crossing orcs with humans. I will use "orc" herein.
Orcs were initially elves taken and corrupted by Morgoth. Morgoth himself was another Valar (originally named Melkor, but he changed his name upon falling) that defied IlĂşvatar's plan and sought to establish his own dominion over the world. As noted above, this parallels Christianity and the story of the fallen archangel Lucifer.
These twisted elves were allied with and followed Morgoth, and, after the defeat of Morgoth, would follow Morgoth's most powerful lieutenant--Sauron (Sauron, originally named Mairon, is a Maia--those are essentially regular angels in the hierarchy we have been paralleling).
The elves created the three rings by themselves and for themselves and generally resisted Sauron from the start. Sauron created the Seven and the Nine to crease his dominion over and control the other two principal races of the world.
The elves had no cause to give the orcs Rings because the orcs were the enemy; Sauron had no cause to give them rings because he already had dominion over their numbers.
Also, when Glorfindel appears in FotR, he mentions that he and two other riders were sent to look for Aragorn and the hobbits, as there are only three elves in Rivendell(Other than Elrond) who are capable of fighting the Nazgul. Thought it's not specified who the other two are, they're likely Elladan and Elrohir, Elrond's sons.
Yup.
Beregond. Beregond is the Guard of the Citadel that gives Pippin a tour of Minas Tirith upon the Took's arrival in the city (alongside his son, Bergil). Beregond's encounter with Pippin is one of the more relatable encounters in the series--here are two people from very different backgrounds who are able to talk and become friends over their shared experiences with the darkness and shared curiosity with the other's life and homeland. Later in the novel, Beregond is put in the unfortunate position of having to choose between his duty to City and duty to a friend--Faramir--ultimately resulting in his judgment at the hands of King Elessar, which is just one of many wonderfully-written moments that are scattered throughout the franchise.
Either Arwen or Eowyn, depending on my mood (in a more romantic mood I like Arwen, in a more adventurous mood I like Eowyn)
In the interest of preventing the languishing of conversation: I would suggest Éowyn holds the better romance story as well - at least in the novels.
Arowyn’s love story in the books is less a story and more a love exposition. We are introduced to her as Aragorn’s love interest and bride and that is really about it. Their marriage is not even an emotional point in the book - it is folded into and rides on the coattails of the emotional climax that is the defeat of Sauron and crowning of the king.
Compare to Éyown. We follow Éyown’s emotional struggle as she falls for a man she cannot be with and feel her bitter disappointment. We watch as she slides deep into a depression over the loss of her uncle and her own wounds. Then she meets another just as broken and anguished as herself, and through shared conversation, they manage to pull one another out of their depression, eventually falling in love.
Though it advances the major plot little, telling the story of Faramir and Éyown’s romance was an important enough part of the story that we get the better part of a whole chapter dedicated to the tale.
Either Arwen or Eowyn, depending on my mood (in a more romantic mood I like Arwen, in a more adventurous mood I like Eowyn)
In the interest of preventing the languishing of conversation: I would suggest Éowyn holds the better romance story as well - at least in the novels.
Arowyn’s love story in the books is less a story and more a love exposition. We are introduced to her as Aragorn’s love interest and bride and that is really about it. Their marriage is not even an emotional point in the book - it is folded into and rides on the coattails of the emotional climax that is the defeat of Sauron and crowning of the king.
Compare to Éyown. We follow Éyown’s emotional struggle as she falls for a man she cannot be with and feel her bitter disappointment. We watch as she slides deep into a depression over the loss of her uncle and her own wounds. Then she meets another just as broken and anguished as herself, and through shared conversation, they manage to pull one another out of their depression, eventually falling in love.
Though it advances the major plot little, telling the story of Faramir and Éyown’s romance was an important enough part of the story that we get the better part of a whole chapter dedicated to the tale.
First major look at the upcoming show can be found here.
I must say, I think everything I read here, especially as combined with the great costuming and set design, has pushed me from "justifiably skeptical" to "cautiously optimistic". That's about the same boat I was in before the Fellowship film was released, so I would say Amazon's marketing department is doing a good job. I believe the first actual trailer is set to air during the Super Bowl--really looking forward to that.
First major look at the upcoming show can be found here.
I must say, I think everything I read here, especially as combined with the great costuming and set design, has pushed me from "justifiably skeptical" to "cautiously optimistic". That's about the same boat I was in before the Fellowship film was released, so I would say Amazon's marketing department is doing a good job. I believe the first actual trailer is set to air during the Super Bowl--really looking forward to that.
Cool idea with Galadriel, problem is she acted like that only when she was younger in Valinor... By the Second Age she cooled down. Still it's canon (kinda) so whatever. My only objections are WHY THE HELL DO THE MALE ELVES HAVE SHORT HAIR!!!!! ALL ELVES HAVE LONG HAIR!!
Also Elrond doesn't look like Elrond, tho Galadriel does look like Galadriel.
First major look at the upcoming show can be found here.
I must say, I think everything I read here, especially as combined with the great costuming and set design, has pushed me from "justifiably skeptical" to "cautiously optimistic". That's about the same boat I was in before the Fellowship film was released, so I would say Amazon's marketing department is doing a good job. I believe the first actual trailer is set to air during the Super Bowl--really looking forward to that.
Cool idea with Galadriel, problem is she acted like that only when she was younger in Valinor... By the Second Age she cooled down. Still it's canon (kinda) so whatever. My only objections are WHY THE HELL DO THE MALE ELVES HAVE SHORT HAIR!!!!! ALL ELVES HAVE LONG HAIR!!
Also Elrond doesn't look like Elrond, tho Galadriel does look like Galadriel.
Had she really cooled down? Second Age Galadriel still has a bit of a spark in her--she is, after all, the one of the few who voices dissent about the trust the elves show Annatar, even going so far as to storm off through Moria, leaving even her husband behind. There's enough ambiguity in the source material that I think there is room for a bit more active Galadriel, who has not fully embraced what it means to be queen of a disappearing world.
As for the hair issue--I challenged you to find a single citation in the source material that says elves have long hair. They do in the films, but that's an easy filmmaking trick so you can tell who is an elf and who is a human at a single glance, without having to look and find their ears.
I also have no issue with the actor who plays Elrond. For starters, there is no reason he has to look like the Elrond we have already seen. Even still, while he might not have dark, long hair, but it looks like he has a high brow and relatively deep set eyes, so there is enough of a passing resemblance that it does not strain credulity. He has a thousand years or so to grow out his hair--I think he can manage.
Random question that's probably obvious or easily answered, also probably asked before on this thread: How come the orcs/goblins/Uruk-hai (probably butchered that spelling) didn't get any rings of power? Or did they in the books and the movies just don't pay attention to it because it's not important even in the books?
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Ah, makes sense. Thx.
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The simple answer: Neither the elves nor Sauron had cause to give the orcs rings.
The more complex answer:
There are three principle races in Middle Earth - Elves and Men, created by Ilúvatar (the supreme god of the world), and the dwarves, created by Aulë, one of the Valar, which are essentially divine beings under Ilúvatar (think a similar position to archangels in Christianity, which was a principle inspiration for Tolkien).
Orcs and goblins are the same species--goblins is just a term used in the more child-friendly and accessible novel, The Hobbit. Uruks are a specific elite breed of orc created by Sauron and Uruk-hai (you spelled it correctly) are another specific breed created by Saruman, with indications the Uruk-hai were created by crossing orcs with humans. I will use "orc" herein.
Orcs were initially elves taken and corrupted by Morgoth. Morgoth himself was another Valar (originally named Melkor, but he changed his name upon falling) that defied IlĂşvatar's plan and sought to establish his own dominion over the world. As noted above, this parallels Christianity and the story of the fallen archangel Lucifer.
These twisted elves were allied with and followed Morgoth, and, after the defeat of Morgoth, would follow Morgoth's most powerful lieutenant--Sauron (Sauron, originally named Mairon, is a Maia--those are essentially regular angels in the hierarchy we have been paralleling).
The elves created the three rings by themselves and for themselves and generally resisted Sauron from the start. Sauron created the Seven and the Nine to crease his dominion over and control the other two principal races of the world.
The elves had no cause to give the orcs Rings because the orcs were the enemy; Sauron had no cause to give them rings because he already had dominion over their numbers.
Beregond. Beregond is the Guard of the Citadel that gives Pippin a tour of Minas Tirith upon the Took's arrival in the city (alongside his son, Bergil). Beregond's encounter with Pippin is one of the more relatable encounters in the series--here are two people from very different backgrounds who are able to talk and become friends over their shared experiences with the darkness and shared curiosity with the other's life and homeland. Later in the novel, Beregond is put in the unfortunate position of having to choose between his duty to City and duty to a friend--Faramir--ultimately resulting in his judgment at the hands of King Elessar, which is just one of many wonderfully-written moments that are scattered throughout the franchise.
Either Arwen or Eowyn, depending on my mood (in a more romantic mood I like Arwen, in a more adventurous mood I like Eowyn)
In the interest of preventing the languishing of conversation: I would suggest Éowyn holds the better romance story as well - at least in the novels.
Arowyn’s love story in the books is less a story and more a love exposition. We are introduced to her as Aragorn’s love interest and bride and that is really about it. Their marriage is not even an emotional point in the book - it is folded into and rides on the coattails of the emotional climax that is the defeat of Sauron and crowning of the king.
Compare to Éyown. We follow Éyown’s emotional struggle as she falls for a man she cannot be with and feel her bitter disappointment. We watch as she slides deep into a depression over the loss of her uncle and her own wounds. Then she meets another just as broken and anguished as herself, and through shared conversation, they manage to pull one another out of their depression, eventually falling in love.
Though it advances the major plot little, telling the story of Faramir and Éyown’s romance was an important enough part of the story that we get the better part of a whole chapter dedicated to the tale.
I agree. Eowyn is also a good romance character.
First major look at the upcoming show can be found here.
I must say, I think everything I read here, especially as combined with the great costuming and set design, has pushed me from "justifiably skeptical" to "cautiously optimistic". That's about the same boat I was in before the Fellowship film was released, so I would say Amazon's marketing department is doing a good job. I believe the first actual trailer is set to air during the Super Bowl--really looking forward to that.
Cool idea with Galadriel, problem is she acted like that only when she was younger in Valinor... By the Second Age she cooled down. Still it's canon (kinda) so whatever. My only objections are WHY THE HELL DO THE MALE ELVES HAVE SHORT HAIR!!!!! ALL ELVES HAVE LONG HAIR!!
Also Elrond doesn't look like Elrond, tho Galadriel does look like Galadriel.
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Had she really cooled down? Second Age Galadriel still has a bit of a spark in her--she is, after all, the one of the few who voices dissent about the trust the elves show Annatar, even going so far as to storm off through Moria, leaving even her husband behind. There's enough ambiguity in the source material that I think there is room for a bit more active Galadriel, who has not fully embraced what it means to be queen of a disappearing world.
As for the hair issue--I challenged you to find a single citation in the source material that says elves have long hair. They do in the films, but that's an easy filmmaking trick so you can tell who is an elf and who is a human at a single glance, without having to look and find their ears.
I also have no issue with the actor who plays Elrond. For starters, there is no reason he has to look like the Elrond we have already seen. Even still, while he might not have dark, long hair, but it looks like he has a high brow and relatively deep set eyes, so there is enough of a passing resemblance that it does not strain credulity. He has a thousand years or so to grow out his hair--I think he can manage.
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