Some kind soul named Acustick_Geetar added the Wayfinder Warforged to homebrewed races the other day. Except for a few race references, its looking good.
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Some kind soul named Acustick_Geetar added the Wayfinder Warforged to homebrewed races the other day. Except for a few race references, its looking good.
It appears to have already been removed. Publishing content from UA is against the rules.
It is against the site rules to make public homebrew of WotC and other licensed content (private homebrew is fine though).
Any active UA content can be found in the related rules sections: aka Rune Knight and Psychic Warrior under Game Rules -> Fighter and Mind Sliver under Game Rules -> Spells.
Btw, Ethically, they have no obligation to provide wayfinders races as they were presented in that book, lets delve into the intro that I am sure most people skipped: "All of the material here is presented for playtesting and to spark your imagination. The game mechanics are in draft form, usable in your campaign but not refined by final game design and editing. They aren’t officially part of the game and aren’t permitted in D&D Adventurers League events. If Wizards of the Coast decides to make this material official, it will be refined based on your feedback and then appear in a D&D book. Beyond that: Eberron is your world as much as it is mine. I hope that this book provides you with inspiration, but don’t be limited by my ideas or decisions. Think of this as something you can build upon, not a codex of absolute law."
from DMs guild: "Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron brings the eponymous campaign setting to the fifth edition of Dungeons & Dragons. This 175 page book gives you everything you need to create an Eberron story or character, exploring the core themes of the setting and the rules to implement them in fifth edition. It includes an overview of Khorvaire and the fantastic city of Sharn, along with a host of background ideas and story hooks. Playtest material includes the unique races of Eberron, the mystical dragonmarks (including greater dragonmarks and aberrant dragonmarks), and new magic items; this is a living document, and this content will evolve and be updated in response to feedback."
From the DnDB Market Place: The game mechanics here are usable in your campaign, but at this time they aren’t officially part of the game and aren’t permitted in D&D Adventurers League events. These mechanics will evolve based on player feedback. This is a living document, and as these concepts are refined, this book will also be updated for free; so you will be kept up to date with any changes that are made to it. Due to this, the content is not available in the D&D Beyond reader mobile app until a later date.
Everything was done to show it was not final form, finished, balanced, play tested content, and that as a digital only book (because it was never a printed book), it was going to receive updates, changes, and alterations. That when a physical Eberron book was made, that this document would be updated with said changes.
So ethically, it would have been wrong for DnDB to go against WoTC's wishes, and agreements they made with WoTC, and done anything other than what was done. You had every opportunity to read the descriptions and know you were buying a living document, and absolutely nothing about it was set yet. You also are given the ability to get a refund on wayfinders even though there is 0 reason for them to give that to you as you knew when you purchased it, it was likely to change.
Was it a failure, absolutely. Paying for playtest material is stupid. I wouldn't have owned wayfinders if one of my players didn't give me money specifically for it, so they could play a dragonmarked human. WoTC admitted this was a failure. We all know it was a failure. You got what you paid for, a living document that can be changed. You are given the ability to re-create anything you feel you need again for your games. But don't tak about ethics and "well I paid for X and now its not X"
You paid for a living document, and got a living document.... period. IMO WoTC and DnDB have met their ethical obligations, but anyone expecting more than what they got (official homebrew of changed features), or asking for/demanding a refund, are absolutely being unethical.
I think you mean legally, rather than ethically, but in either case, both companies learned a lot during the WGtE experiment, and WotC probably won't be repeating that same mistake again.
I can understand being upset about the changes, especially if you didn't like them, which is why D&D Beyond has made an exception and will refund WGtE purchases.
...Was it a failure, absolutely. Paying for playtest material is stupid. I wouldn't have owned wayfinders if one of my players didn't give me money specifically for it, so they could play a dragonmarked human. WoTC admitted this was a failure. We all know it was a failure. ....
Can you point me to where WoTC has admitted it was a failure? I've seen Adam's posts on DDB about lessons being learned and his offer of a refund, but he speaks for DDB, not for WOTC. I've not seen anything from WOTC staff acknowledging that there were mistakes made, or that what they did in the end was in conflict with what they promised in the beginning. (see below). I'm not disputing what you said, I'm glad to know that they have acknowledged it and I've just missed it.
in terms of what they said at the beginning and what they did in the end being in conflict, I do not mean about the mechanical bits: I, like you, understood from the very beginning that those were playtest and subject to change. What I mean is that Mearls promised that folks would be happy owning both Wayfinders and any potential Eberron hardback, and that while mechanical elements would be reprinted, that there would be substantial parts of Wayfinders (lore, fluff, etc.) that would not be. Instead, as far as I can tell, all of Wayfinders was included in Rising, with relatively minor rewrites. It doesn't affect me directly, as I didn't spend money on Wayfinders, but I definitely understand folks who feel cheated because of that broken promise. Indirectly, I suppose it does affect me, because I defended WOTC's plans and frequently reminded folks of Mearls' promise that most of the non-mechanical content in Wayfinders would not be reprinted. Now it turns out my faith in that promise was misguided at best at naive at worst. I really appreciate DDB's willingness to refund folks who purchased Wayfinders here, and wish that WOTC would do something similar for those who purchased Wayfinders on DMsGuild.
Some kind soul named Acustick_Geetar added the Wayfinder Warforged to homebrewed races the other day. Except for a few race references, its looking good.
Watch your back, conserve your ammo,
and NEVER cut a deal with a dragon!
It appears to have already been removed. Publishing content from UA is against the rules.
Where can we find the UA content on DDB? The links I found suggesting there's content on site seem broken.
Example from Envoy warforged subclass:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/homebrew/creations/view?entityTypeId=1228963568&id=27588
It is against the site rules to make public homebrew of WotC and other licensed content (private homebrew is fine though).
Any active UA content can be found in the related rules sections: aka Rune Knight and Psychic Warrior under Game Rules -> Fighter and Mind Sliver under Game Rules -> Spells.
Edit: DxJxC has a list here: https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/d-d-beyond-feedback/43712-request-list-of-playtest-content-on-ddb
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Btw, Ethically, they have no obligation to provide wayfinders races as they were presented in that book, lets delve into the intro that I am sure most people skipped:
"All of the material here is presented for playtesting and to spark your imagination. The game mechanics are in draft form, usable in your campaign but not refined by final game design and editing. They aren’t officially part of the game and aren’t permitted in D&D Adventurers League events. If Wizards of the Coast decides to make this material official, it will be refined based on your feedback and then appear in a D&D book. Beyond that: Eberron is your world as much as it is mine. I hope that this book provides you with inspiration, but don’t be limited by my ideas or decisions. Think of this as something you can build upon, not a codex of absolute law."
from DMs guild:
"Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron brings the eponymous campaign setting to the fifth edition of Dungeons & Dragons. This 175 page book gives you everything you need to create an Eberron story or character, exploring the core themes of the setting and the rules to implement them in fifth edition. It includes an overview of Khorvaire and the fantastic city of Sharn, along with a host of background ideas and story hooks.
Playtest material includes the unique races of Eberron, the mystical dragonmarks (including greater dragonmarks and aberrant dragonmarks), and new magic items; this is a living document, and this content will evolve and be updated in response to feedback."
From the DnDB Market Place:
The game mechanics here are usable in your campaign, but at this time they aren’t officially part of the game and aren’t permitted in D&D Adventurers League events. These mechanics will evolve based on player feedback. This is a living document, and as these concepts are refined, this book will also be updated for free; so you will be kept up to date with any changes that are made to it. Due to this, the content is not available in the D&D Beyond reader mobile app until a later date.
Everything was done to show it was not final form, finished, balanced, play tested content, and that as a digital only book (because it was never a printed book), it was going to receive updates, changes, and alterations. That when a physical Eberron book was made, that this document would be updated with said changes.
So ethically, it would have been wrong for DnDB to go against WoTC's wishes, and agreements they made with WoTC, and done anything other than what was done. You had every opportunity to read the descriptions and know you were buying a living document, and absolutely nothing about it was set yet. You also are given the ability to get a refund on wayfinders even though there is 0 reason for them to give that to you as you knew when you purchased it, it was likely to change.
Was it a failure, absolutely. Paying for playtest material is stupid. I wouldn't have owned wayfinders if one of my players didn't give me money specifically for it, so they could play a dragonmarked human. WoTC admitted this was a failure. We all know it was a failure. You got what you paid for, a living document that can be changed. You are given the ability to re-create anything you feel you need again for your games. But don't tak about ethics and "well I paid for X and now its not X"
You paid for a living document, and got a living document.... period. IMO WoTC and DnDB have met their ethical obligations, but anyone expecting more than what they got (official homebrew of changed features), or asking for/demanding a refund, are absolutely being unethical.
I think you mean legally, rather than ethically, but in either case, both companies learned a lot during the WGtE experiment, and WotC probably won't be repeating that same mistake again.
I can understand being upset about the changes, especially if you didn't like them, which is why D&D Beyond has made an exception and will refund WGtE purchases.
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Can you point me to where WoTC has admitted it was a failure? I've seen Adam's posts on DDB about lessons being learned and his offer of a refund, but he speaks for DDB, not for WOTC. I've not seen anything from WOTC staff acknowledging that there were mistakes made, or that what they did in the end was in conflict with what they promised in the beginning. (see below). I'm not disputing what you said, I'm glad to know that they have acknowledged it and I've just missed it.
in terms of what they said at the beginning and what they did in the end being in conflict, I do not mean about the mechanical bits: I, like you, understood from the very beginning that those were playtest and subject to change. What I mean is that Mearls promised that folks would be happy owning both Wayfinders and any potential Eberron hardback, and that while mechanical elements would be reprinted, that there would be substantial parts of Wayfinders (lore, fluff, etc.) that would not be. Instead, as far as I can tell, all of Wayfinders was included in Rising, with relatively minor rewrites. It doesn't affect me directly, as I didn't spend money on Wayfinders, but I definitely understand folks who feel cheated because of that broken promise. Indirectly, I suppose it does affect me, because I defended WOTC's plans and frequently reminded folks of Mearls' promise that most of the non-mechanical content in Wayfinders would not be reprinted. Now it turns out my faith in that promise was misguided at best at naive at worst. I really appreciate DDB's willingness to refund folks who purchased Wayfinders here, and wish that WOTC would do something similar for those who purchased Wayfinders on DMsGuild.
Trying to Decide if DDB is for you? A few helpful threads: A Buyer's Guide to DDB; What I/We Bought and Why; How some DMs use DDB; A Newer Thread on Using DDB to Play
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