Not sure what you mean by "no love" - in addition to the subclass-specific improvements to Land and Moon, the rising tide of the base class lifted all the subclass ships.
I was listening for it. I might have missed what a good pairing was for the Warden option. Land? Stars? I never really saw any real synergy in there if I want to take advantage of being a druid that likes mixing it up in melee, or better yet, a ranger/druid hybrid fantasy. What did I miss?
Not sure what you mean by "no love" - in addition to the subclass-specific improvements to Land and Moon, the rising tide of the base class lifted all the subclass ships.
I was listening for it. I might have missed what a good pairing was for the Warden option. Land? Stars? I never really saw any real synergy in there if I want to take advantage of being a druid that likes mixing it up in melee, or better yet, a ranger/druid hybrid fantasy. What did I miss?
I actually think it's the opposite - the caster druids benefit most from Warden, while Moon won't care as much about armor and so probably end up going Magician. Is that what they intended? I'm guessing not, but that's where I see thr mechanics leading us.
Can someone do a text synopsis of this for me, I have so far hated watching the videos. I like my info to be up front, in a condensed list form. I try to watch the videos but they just bother me.
Can someone do a text synopsis of this for me, I have so far hated watching the videos. I like my info to be up front, in a condensed list form. I try to watch the videos but they just bother me.
Can someone do a text synopsis of this for me, I have so far hated watching the videos. I like my info to be up front, in a condensed list form. I try to watch the videos but they just bother me.
Have you looked at the playtest? It's basically that.
If you're asking what's changed since 2014.... uhhh, a lot.
So, how much THP do they get? In the table, it says equal to your Druid level, in the expanded summary, it's 3x your Druid level? I'm hoping it's the latter, or it's pretty meh.
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So, how much THP do they get? In the table, it says equal to your Druid level, in the expanded summary, it's 3x your Druid level? I'm hoping it's the latter, or it's pretty meh.
its got to be 3x otherwise the older druids are better for wild shaping
Does the Magician option get something similar to what the 2014 Druid gets in terms of weapons/shield/armor? Like Club, Dagger, Dart, Javelin, Mace, Quarterstaff, Scimitar, Sickle, Sling, Spear and Light Armor, Medium Armor, Shields (perhaps without metal . . or maybe not the metal prohibition thing anymore)? Or do they get a reduced list, or none of these things?
Does the Magician option get something similar to what the 2014 Druid gets in terms of weapons/shield/armor? Like Club, Dagger, Dart, Javelin, Mace, Quarterstaff, Scimitar, Sickle, Sling, Spear and Light Armor, Medium Armor, Shields (perhaps without metal . . or maybe not the metal prohibition thing anymore)? Or do they get a reduced list, or none of these things?
Assuming that it’s not been changed since UA8, then the Druid gets Proficieny with Simple Weapons and Armour Training with Light Armour and Shields.
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No more arguing about metal armor makes this worth every penny for me on its own.
Well, the background story and the underlying reason were nice too :(
If you found value in it, go ahead and reinstate it 😃
As for me, I'm smashing that Primal Order: Warden button at level 1, throwing on my scale mail, and never looking back 😝
So no love for Land, Sea and ???
Hahaha, great adventures await, my friend! 😅
Anyway, if my players want this, I'm 500% with them!
Land, Sea, Moon, Stars
Not sure what you mean by "no love" - in addition to the subclass-specific improvements to Land and Moon, the rising tide of the base class lifted all the subclass ships.
I was listening for it. I might have missed what a good pairing was for the Warden option. Land? Stars? I never really saw any real synergy in there if I want to take advantage of being a druid that likes mixing it up in melee, or better yet, a ranger/druid hybrid fantasy. What did I miss?
I think it's because only Moon got an article.
I just read the article linked by @LaTiaJacquise, and the feature Elemental Fury sounds very cool.
Maybe I'm alone on this, but I like having a pool of known shapes to choose from for their Wild Shape.
I actually think it's the opposite - the caster druids benefit most from Warden, while Moon won't care as much about armor and so probably end up going Magician. Is that what they intended? I'm guessing not, but that's where I see thr mechanics leading us.
You're not alone, it goes a long way to solving the "book diving" problem they had when they can only swap out one form at a time.
no more unlimited wild shapes for the 3 tables a year that make it to 20th level? lol do barbs even have unlimited rages anymore at 20th level?
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ModeratorI was hoping Moon Druids would just keep their AC as their armor transforms into natural armor, but is still functional.
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Can someone do a text synopsis of this for me, I have so far hated watching the videos. I like my info to be up front, in a condensed list form. I try to watch the videos but they just bother me.
2014 5E mostly
3.5 maybe.
You can find the link in the first post: https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1755-the-2024-circle-of-the-moon-druid-and-changes-to
Given that they're redesigning all the beasts, this might end up working in the Moon Druid's favor 🙂
Worst case scenario, we'll have minimum 18 AC, i.e. equivalent to full plate. Not bad I'd say.
Have you looked at the playtest? It's basically that.
If you're asking what's changed since 2014.... uhhh, a lot.
So, how much THP do they get? In the table, it says equal to your Druid level, in the expanded summary, it's 3x your Druid level? I'm hoping it's the latter, or it's pretty meh.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
its got to be 3x otherwise the older druids are better for wild shaping
Does the Magician option get something similar to what the 2014 Druid gets in terms of weapons/shield/armor? Like Club, Dagger, Dart, Javelin, Mace, Quarterstaff, Scimitar, Sickle, Sling, Spear and Light Armor, Medium Armor, Shields (perhaps without metal . . or maybe not the metal prohibition thing anymore)? Or do they get a reduced list, or none of these things?
Assuming that it’s not been changed since UA8, then the Druid gets Proficieny with Simple Weapons and Armour Training with Light Armour and Shields.