Kayakingpoodle, having to turn ON the 2014 content is the same as turning OFF the 2024 content. If you don’t turn on the 2014, you have straight 2024. If you do, the 2014 supersedes or adds the content you need. It’s not perfect because it doesn’t take out the 2024. Could the toggle be better? I already said there is a chance of that but there is definitely a toggle for content. I mean, come on.
In all fairness, it should be a "Legacy' toggle that lets you toggle between setting the defaults as 2014 or 2024. To be honest, I am not even sure it matters. You can still choose "Legacy" races, backgrounds & feats that are in the 2014 core rule books and additional content made for 2014. The only place I see it having a big impact is on weapons, armor, spells and some gear where the new stats and descriptions do not have a legacy option. I will say after buying the 2024 PHB, I like many of the changes they have made. It's going to be a little tuff to wrap my head around ASI being associated with backgrounds instead of races, but if you really think about it, it makes sense. The feat rewrites are much better (IMO) and will lend well to building characters that fit the BFH trope. (that's Big Friendly Heroes) :)
Kayakingpoodle, having to turn ON the 2014 content is the same as turning OFF the 2024 content. If you don’t turn on the 2014, you have straight 2024. If you do, the 2014 supersedes or adds the content you need. It’s not perfect because it doesn’t take out the 2024. Could the toggle be better? I already said there is a chance of that but there is definitely a toggle for content. I mean, come on.
We can't use 14 content without the 24 content present. Being the 24 is an addition to the legacy 14 content and will work without the 24 content something that can not be said for the 24 content yet it is very frustrating and confusing to many when trying to use only the 14 content. It is very odd that the only missing toggle is to turn of the 24 stuff, and that seems to be the biggest source of confusion and frustration to most voicing the dissent about the 24 stuff. I for one refuse to buy any content until there is a toggle that allows only 14 content in a game. The groups I play with are already shopping for a non wizbro game to play due to this very issue. I understand their reasoning, but they have 0 dollars tied up in wizbro, I on the other hand have thousands in the platform and wizbro is chasing off my player group and essentially mothballing my content over not wanting players to play the game they want to play. What a joke and a slap in the face to customers like me that are now having to abandon the purchases we have made to play with our friends. Not everyone plays online or AL type games, the long running face to face campaigns are what is getting crapped on and it sucks!
To not buy anything new or the new PHB or even have it shared in the campaign and have it disrupt your games to the point of people not playing is Beyond stupid!
Kayakingpoodle, having to turn ON the 2014 content is the same as turning OFF the 2024 content. If you don’t turn on the 2014, you have straight 2024. If you do, the 2014 supersedes or adds the content you need. It’s not perfect because it doesn’t take out the 2024. Could the toggle be better? I already said there is a chance of that but there is definitely a toggle for content. I mean, come on.
I get that you believe that turning on legacy content is turning off 2024 but it is not 2024 content is extant while trying to create a legacy character. I caught myself half a dozen times making a character and having to force myself to scroll down further. It is bad right now. when the DMG and Monster Manual are released it is going to be nightmarish what they have done is not a best practice when you are maintaining a database of any kind
Kayakingpoodle, having to turn ON the 2014 content is the same as turning OFF the 2024 content. If you don’t turn on the 2014, you have straight 2024. If you do, the 2014 supersedes or adds the content you need. It’s not perfect because it doesn’t take out the 2024. Could the toggle be better? I already said there is a chance of that but there is definitely a toggle for content. I mean, come on.
I get that you believe that turning on legacy content is turning off 2024 but it is not 2024 content is extant while trying to create a legacy character. I caught myself half a dozen times making a character and having to force myself to scroll down further. It is bad right now. when the DMG and Monster Manual are released it is going to be nightmarish what they have done is not a best practice when you are maintaining a database of any kind
The spells I totally understand being less than aesthetically pleasing on the character screen, but this a bit much. I have only made 3 PCs under the 2014 rules since the 2024 rules were released so I could help others navigate the changes and there have been exactly 0 times I forgot to scroll once to get to the 2014 classes.
Even if it is accepted that you somehow forgot that the worst changes you have ever experienced in the history of your life (based on the general response by 2014 hardliners), it is a simple matter to just scroll after, add the desired class, then delete the offending class. It is no more difficult than correcting the error of choosing an incorrect magical item.
Kayakingpoodle, having to turn ON the 2014 content is the same as turning OFF the 2024 content. If you don’t turn on the 2014, you have straight 2024. If you do, the 2014 supersedes or adds the content you need. It’s not perfect because it doesn’t take out the 2024. Could the toggle be better? I already said there is a chance of that but there is definitely a toggle for content. I mean, come on.
I get that you believe that turning on legacy content is turning off 2024 but it is not 2024 content is extant while trying to create a legacy character. I caught myself half a dozen times making a character and having to force myself to scroll down further. It is bad right now. when the DMG and Monster Manual are released it is going to be nightmarish what they have done is not a best practice when you are maintaining a database of any kind
The spells I totally understand being less than aesthetically pleasing on the character screen, but this a bit much. I have only made 3 PCs under the 2014 rules since the 2024 rules were released so I could help others navigate the changes and there have been exactly 0 times I forgot to scroll once to get to the 2014 classes.
Even if it is accepted that you somehow forgot that the worst changes you have ever experienced in the history of your life (based on the general response by 2014 hardliners), it is a simple matter to just scroll after, add the desired class, then delete the offending class. It is no more difficult than correcting the error of choosing an incorrect magical item.
Even simpler would be a toggle to turn off the 24 stuff.
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Kayakingpoodle, having to turn ON the 2014 content is the same as turning OFF the 2024 content. If you don’t turn on the 2014, you have straight 2024. If you do, the 2014 supersedes or adds the content you need. It’s not perfect because it doesn’t take out the 2024. Could the toggle be better? I already said there is a chance of that but there is definitely a toggle for content. I mean, come on.
I get that you believe that turning on legacy content is turning off 2024 but it is not 2024 content is extant while trying to create a legacy character. I caught myself half a dozen times making a character and having to force myself to scroll down further. It is bad right now. when the DMG and Monster Manual are released it is going to be nightmarish what they have done is not a best practice when you are maintaining a database of any kind
Forcing yourself to scroll a little further is nothing compared to homebrewing all the legacy content. Having to sort through whole bunch of extraneous spells is an acceptable compromise to homebrewing all the legacy content as well. I don’t know why they did it the way they did it and it is certainly not ideal however the comparison to how it works now is not with 2014 content prior to 2024’a drop, it’s to no 2014 content at all. What we have is a compromise between what you and Kayakingpoodle want and what DDB wants. No one is getting exactly what they want. Would you rather homebrew everything?
All that is needed is a 2024 Rules toggle. ON and 2024 content and the construction on going is enabled. OFF and it’s everything before 2024, no 2024 access to content unless enabled.
Simple, and yet I feel WotC/DDBeyound did not think this through…….
I think they did, seems too targeted of an inconvenience to be an accident, especially given they have done nothing to explain how to use the new stuff if you want to use just the old. No blog post about where to look for what used to be very apparent, what books are behind which toggles... this has all of the earmarks of a punishment for not wanting to play how wizbro says people should play, how inclusive of them.
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Kayakingpoodle, having to turn ON the 2014 content is the same as turning OFF the 2024 content. If you don’t turn on the 2014, you have straight 2024. If you do, the 2014 supersedes or adds the content you need. It’s not perfect because it doesn’t take out the 2024. Could the toggle be better? I already said there is a chance of that but there is definitely a toggle for content. I mean, come on.
I get that you believe that turning on legacy content is turning off 2024 but it is not 2024 content is extant while trying to create a legacy character. I caught myself half a dozen times making a character and having to force myself to scroll down further. It is bad right now. when the DMG and Monster Manual are released it is going to be nightmarish what they have done is not a best practice when you are maintaining a database of any kind
Forcing yourself to scroll a little further is nothing compared to homebrewing all the legacy content. Having to sort through whole bunch of extraneous spells is an acceptable compromise to homebrewing all the legacy content as well. I don’t know why they did it the way they did it and it is certainly not ideal however the comparison to how it works now is not with 2014 content prior to 2024’a drop, it’s to no 2014 content at all. What we have is a compromise between what you and Kayakingpoodle want and what DDB wants. No one is getting exactly what they want. Would you rather homebrew everything?
I would rather wizbro have the confidence in a new product and it actually be good enough that they do not feel the need to resort to sabotaging a tool to sell the new product, so they can meet profit goals.
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Even simpler would be a toggle to turn off the 24 stuff.
I agree entirely. That would make things extremely easy and make the forums a lot less exhausting to be on again. I would honestly welcome it at this point.
However, it makes no business sense and would absolutely harm future sales of 2024 content to do so. Part of my job includes operating a small team of clinicians in a behavioral health program. One of the key things I teach my clinicians about our program is to not give the patient the option to refuse you. If someone gives a patient the option to engage in behavioral health, it is almost a universal fact that the patient will say no. Once the patient breathes life into that decision by voicing it, they will become so committed to refusing it, they will reject help even when they know it will harm them to refuse it. The opportunity to save a life is gone until their next crisis and we have to cross our fingers that they don't check out of life early once they discharge and are out of our reach. Many people are change averse, even if that change is ultimately good for them.
Why am I bringing this up? WotC has a product that they want you to use. That product is the 2024 toolset. If they give you the option to not use it or even see it, well, that would be like one of my clinicians asking a patient if they want to engage in behavioral health.
Kayakingpoodle, having to turn ON the 2014 content is the same as turning OFF the 2024 content. If you don’t turn on the 2014, you have straight 2024. If you do, the 2014 supersedes or adds the content you need. It’s not perfect because it doesn’t take out the 2024. Could the toggle be better? I already said there is a chance of that but there is definitely a toggle for content. I mean, come on.
I get that you believe that turning on legacy content is turning off 2024 but it is not 2024 content is extant while trying to create a legacy character. I caught myself half a dozen times making a character and having to force myself to scroll down further. It is bad right now. when the DMG and Monster Manual are released it is going to be nightmarish what they have done is not a best practice when you are maintaining a database of any kind
Forcing yourself to scroll a little further is nothing compared to homebrewing all the legacy content. Having to sort through whole bunch of extraneous spells is an acceptable compromise to homebrewing all the legacy content as well. I don’t know why they did it the way they did it and it is certainly not ideal however the comparison to how it works now is not with 2014 content prior to 2024’a drop, it’s to no 2014 content at all. What we have is a compromise between what you and Kayakingpoodle want and what DDB wants. No one is getting exactly what they want. Would you rather homebrew everything?
I would rather wizbro have the confidence in a new product and it actually be good enough that they do not feel the need to resort to sabotaging a tool to sell the new product, so they can meet profit goals.
And I would rather not download an app to make an appointment with my doctor or pay my gym membership but that’s not how things are done these days. An app is simpler, cheaper, more secure and all around better for the service providers even though I ******* hate them. Furthermore, as someone with over 40 years of gaming under her belt, I’m not the person anyone is catering their business model to favour—the youngs love the apps. So I can use an app or I can abstain but it is inaccurate to say there is no way for me to see the doctor or join a gym.
There are all kinds of services that are no longer available in the form we prefer or even at all because they were judged to be part of the past, not the future, by the providers. I don’t know why you expect Wizbro to be different from the rest of the capitalists. They met us in the middle when there was no obligation for them to do so.
Even simpler would be a toggle to turn off the 24 stuff.
I agree entirely. That would make things extremely easy and make the forums a lot less exhausting to be on again. I would honestly welcome it at this point.
However, it makes no business sense and would absolutely harm future sales of 2024 content to do so. Part of my job includes operating a small team of clinicians in a behavioral health program. One of the key things I teach my clinicians about our program is to not give the patient the option to refuse you. If someone gives a patient the option to engage in behavioral health, it is almost a universal fact that the patient will say no. Once the patient breathes life into that decision by voicing it, they will become so committed to refusing it, they will reject help even when they know it will harm them to refuse it. The opportunity to save a life is gone until their next crisis and we have to cross our fingers that they don't check out of life early once they discharge and are out of our reach. Many people are change averse, even if that change is ultimately good for them.
Why am I bringing this up? WotC has a product that they want you to use. That product is the 2024 toolset. If they give you the option to not use it or even see it, well, that would be like one of my clinicians asking a patient if they want to engage in behavioral health.
So it isn't sabotage, it is marketing, how does that make it better?
I see it as lack of confidence in their new product, and if they are not confident I am not either.
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Kayakingpoodle, having to turn ON the 2014 content is the same as turning OFF the 2024 content. If you don’t turn on the 2014, you have straight 2024. If you do, the 2014 supersedes or adds the content you need. It’s not perfect because it doesn’t take out the 2024. Could the toggle be better? I already said there is a chance of that but there is definitely a toggle for content. I mean, come on.
I get that you believe that turning on legacy content is turning off 2024 but it is not 2024 content is extant while trying to create a legacy character. I caught myself half a dozen times making a character and having to force myself to scroll down further. It is bad right now. when the DMG and Monster Manual are released it is going to be nightmarish what they have done is not a best practice when you are maintaining a database of any kind
Forcing yourself to scroll a little further is nothing compared to homebrewing all the legacy content. Having to sort through whole bunch of extraneous spells is an acceptable compromise to homebrewing all the legacy content as well. I don’t know why they did it the way they did it and it is certainly not ideal however the comparison to how it works now is not with 2014 content prior to 2024’a drop, it’s to no 2014 content at all. What we have is a compromise between what you and Kayakingpoodle want and what DDB wants. No one is getting exactly what they want. Would you rather homebrew everything?
I would rather wizbro have the confidence in a new product and it actually be good enough that they do not feel the need to resort to sabotaging a tool to sell the new product, so they can meet profit goals.
And I would rather not download an app to make an appointment with my doctor or pay my gym membership but that’s not how things are done these days. An app is simpler, cheaper, more secure and all around
There are all kinds of services that are no longer available in the form we prefer or even at all because they were judged to be part of the past, not the future, by the providers. I don’t know why you expect Wizbro to be different from the rest of the capitalists. They met us in the middle when there was no obligation for them to do so.
you are comparing apples and oranges. This isn’t a case where the purchaser threw the item away. It is a case where the purchaser bought a legal copy through legal means (bought, not rented) and the manufacturer took the item away from the purchaser.
I think the dispute gets a lot more complicated if we don’t keep the facts of the dispute central.
As has been discussed at length, users haven’t bought a copy of anything. Users have paid for access to online content that the provider sees fit to provide in the manner they see fit. It is exactly the same as my doctor no longer making appointments by phone: the preferred service is no longer available. And, like making appointments with my doctor, everything users paid to access is still available, just not in the form some would like most.
The facts of the dispute are that some people do not understand what they’ve paid for, have unfounded expectations and are unwilling to recognize that they’ve been thrown a bone.
Friend, you are being pedantic again. You are latching on to common terms used in analogies because you can't accept your understanding is flawed.
Nothing is being "rented" here in a legal sense. You are purchasing a license. This, and what that license is, is what is clearly laid out. A license is not content. It is permission to access the content that is available. I'm sorry if this may seem complicated for you.
Here is a link explaining how purchasing on this website works (may be slightly visually out of date due to the remodel):
Like many (most? / all?) online purchasing platforms, it confirms that you have read the terms and conditions in order to complete a purchase. This ToS has been clipped here at length for you.
It doesn't mention rent because that was a term used by a person in an analogy trying to help conceptualize the system in a flawed way. You are trying to put points on a board that don't matter in the argument at hand.
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It doesn't mention rent because that was a term used by a person in an analogy trying to help conceptualize the system in a flawed way. You are trying to put points on a board that don't matter in the argument at hand.
Do we purchase or merely rent a copy of game rules? Be specific and clearly explain your answer and that you understand the difference between the two words.
Neither. You may have missed the explanation earlier.
Nothing is being "rented" here in a legal sense. You are purchasing a license. This, and what that license is, is what is clearly laid out. A license is not content. It is permission to access the content that is available. I'm sorry if this may seem complicated for you.
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Kayakingpoodle, having to turn ON the 2014 content is the same as turning OFF the 2024 content. If you don’t turn on the 2014, you have straight 2024. If you do, the 2014 supersedes or adds the content you need. It’s not perfect because it doesn’t take out the 2024. Could the toggle be better? I already said there is a chance of that but there is definitely a toggle for content. I mean, come on.
I get that you believe that turning on legacy content is turning off 2024 but it is not 2024 content is extant while trying to create a legacy character. I caught myself half a dozen times making a character and having to force myself to scroll down further. It is bad right now. when the DMG and Monster Manual are released it is going to be nightmarish what they have done is not a best practice when you are maintaining a database of any kind
Forcing yourself to scroll a little further is nothing compared to homebrewing all the legacy content. Having to sort through whole bunch of extraneous spells is an acceptable compromise to homebrewing all the legacy content as well. I don’t know why they did it the way they did it and it is certainly not ideal however the comparison to how it works now is not with 2014 content prior to 2024’a drop, it’s to no 2014 content at all. What we have is a compromise between what you and Kayakingpoodle want and what DDB wants. No one is getting exactly what they want. Would you rather homebrew everything?
I would rather wizbro have the confidence in a new product and it actually be good enough that they do not feel the need to resort to sabotaging a tool to sell the new product, so they can meet profit goals.
And I would rather not download an app to make an appointment with my doctor or pay my gym membership but that’s not how things are done these days. An app is simpler, cheaper, more secure and all around
There are all kinds of services that are no longer available in the form we prefer or even at all because they were judged to be part of the past, not the future, by the providers. I don’t know why you expect Wizbro to be different from the rest of the capitalists. They met us in the middle when there was no obligation for them to do so.
you are comparing apples and oranges. This isn’t a case where the purchaser threw the item away. It is a case where the purchaser bought a legal copy through legal means (bought, not rented) and the manufacturer took the item away from the purchaser.
I think the dispute gets a lot more complicated if we don’t keep the facts of the dispute central.
As has been discussed at length, users haven’t bought a copy of anything. Users have paid for access to online content that the provider sees fit to provide in the manner they see fit. It is exactly the same as my doctor no longer making appointments by phone: the preferred service is no longer available. And, like making appointments with my doctor, everything users paid to access is still available, just not in the form some would like most.
The facts of the dispute are that some people do not understand what they’ve paid for, have unfounded expectations and are unwilling to recognize that they’ve been thrown a bone.
Perhaps you overlooked my earlier question.
Where does the purchasing workflow identify that the item is being rented? Even the license your side quoted earlier doesn’t use that term.
”The facts of the dispute are that some people do not understand what they’ve paid for,”. I think that is a very legitimate fourth point. Let’s assume you are right that it is a rental and not a purchase, the fact that the purchase workflow at no point identifies it as rent is certainly deceptive.
I am asking you now, can you please identify where the purchasing workflow in the DnDB marketplace identifies transactions as for rent rather than purchase of commercial goods?
The purchase flow does not identify any transaction for rent or purchase of commercial goods of any kind (unless you are buying a physical product or physical/digital bundle). It identifies purchase of a service.
It doesn't mention rent because that was a term used by a person in an analogy trying to help conceptualize the system in a flawed way. You are trying to put points on a board that don't matter in the argument at hand.
Do we purchase or merely rent a copy of game rules? Be specific and clearly explain your answer and that you understand the difference between the two words.
Neither. You may have missed the explanation earlier.
Nothing is being "rented" here in a legal sense. You are purchasing a license. This, and what that license is, is what is clearly laid out. A license is not content. It is permission to access the content that is available. I'm sorry if this may seem complicated for you.
You just quoted “You are purchasing a license.”. So, it is not rent, but a purchase, specifically the purchase of a license.
Do you know what the difference is between a purchase and a rent?
I do know, but as you have not really made it relevant in any way, I'm not sure why you seem to be hanging on the definitions of words?
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Kayakingpoodle, having to turn ON the 2014 content is the same as turning OFF the 2024 content. If you don’t turn on the 2014, you have straight 2024. If you do, the 2014 supersedes or adds the content you need. It’s not perfect because it doesn’t take out the 2024. Could the toggle be better? I already said there is a chance of that but there is definitely a toggle for content. I mean, come on.
In all fairness, it should be a "Legacy' toggle that lets you toggle between setting the defaults as 2014 or 2024. To be honest, I am not even sure it matters. You can still choose "Legacy" races, backgrounds & feats that are in the 2014 core rule books and additional content made for 2014. The only place I see it having a big impact is on weapons, armor, spells and some gear where the new stats and descriptions do not have a legacy option. I will say after buying the 2024 PHB, I like many of the changes they have made. It's going to be a little tuff to wrap my head around ASI being associated with backgrounds instead of races, but if you really think about it, it makes sense. The feat rewrites are much better (IMO) and will lend well to building characters that fit the BFH trope. (that's Big Friendly Heroes) :)
We can't use 14 content without the 24 content present. Being the 24 is an addition to the legacy 14 content and will work without the 24 content something that can not be said for the 24 content yet it is very frustrating and confusing to many when trying to use only the 14 content. It is very odd that the only missing toggle is to turn of the 24 stuff, and that seems to be the biggest source of confusion and frustration to most voicing the dissent about the 24 stuff. I for one refuse to buy any content until there is a toggle that allows only 14 content in a game. The groups I play with are already shopping for a non wizbro game to play due to this very issue. I understand their reasoning, but they have 0 dollars tied up in wizbro, I on the other hand have thousands in the platform and wizbro is chasing off my player group and essentially mothballing my content over not wanting players to play the game they want to play. What a joke and a slap in the face to customers like me that are now having to abandon the purchases we have made to play with our friends. Not everyone plays online or AL type games, the long running face to face campaigns are what is getting crapped on and it sucks!
To not buy anything new or the new PHB or even have it shared in the campaign and have it disrupt your games to the point of people not playing is Beyond stupid!
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I get that you believe that turning on legacy content is turning off 2024 but it is not 2024 content is extant while trying to create a legacy character. I caught myself half a dozen times making a character and having to force myself to scroll down further. It is bad right now. when the DMG and Monster Manual are released it is going to be nightmarish what they have done is not a best practice when you are maintaining a database of any kind
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The spells I totally understand being less than aesthetically pleasing on the character screen, but this a bit much. I have only made 3 PCs under the 2014 rules since the 2024 rules were released so I could help others navigate the changes and there have been exactly 0 times I forgot to scroll once to get to the 2014 classes.
Even if it is accepted that you somehow forgot that the worst changes you have ever experienced in the history of your life (based on the general response by 2014 hardliners), it is a simple matter to just scroll after, add the desired class, then delete the offending class. It is no more difficult than correcting the error of choosing an incorrect magical item.
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Exactly what I did.
Even simpler would be a toggle to turn off the 24 stuff.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Forcing yourself to scroll a little further is nothing compared to homebrewing all the legacy content. Having to sort through whole bunch of extraneous spells is an acceptable compromise to homebrewing all the legacy content as well. I don’t know why they did it the way they did it and it is certainly not ideal however the comparison to how it works now is not with 2014 content prior to 2024’a drop, it’s to no 2014 content at all. What we have is a compromise between what you and Kayakingpoodle want and what DDB wants. No one is getting exactly what they want. Would you rather homebrew everything?
I think they did, seems too targeted of an inconvenience to be an accident, especially given they have done nothing to explain how to use the new stuff if you want to use just the old. No blog post about where to look for what used to be very apparent, what books are behind which toggles... this has all of the earmarks of a punishment for not wanting to play how wizbro says people should play, how inclusive of them.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I would rather wizbro have the confidence in a new product and it actually be good enough that they do not feel the need to resort to sabotaging a tool to sell the new product, so they can meet profit goals.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I agree entirely. That would make things extremely easy and make the forums a lot less exhausting to be on again. I would honestly welcome it at this point.
However, it makes no business sense and would absolutely harm future sales of 2024 content to do so. Part of my job includes operating a small team of clinicians in a behavioral health program. One of the key things I teach my clinicians about our program is to not give the patient the option to refuse you. If someone gives a patient the option to engage in behavioral health, it is almost a universal fact that the patient will say no. Once the patient breathes life into that decision by voicing it, they will become so committed to refusing it, they will reject help even when they know it will harm them to refuse it. The opportunity to save a life is gone until their next crisis and we have to cross our fingers that they don't check out of life early once they discharge and are out of our reach. Many people are change averse, even if that change is ultimately good for them.
Why am I bringing this up? WotC has a product that they want you to use. That product is the 2024 toolset. If they give you the option to not use it or even see it, well, that would be like one of my clinicians asking a patient if they want to engage in behavioral health.
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And I would rather not download an app to make an appointment with my doctor or pay my gym membership but that’s not how things are done these days. An app is simpler, cheaper, more secure and all around better for the service providers even though I ******* hate them. Furthermore, as someone with over 40 years of gaming under her belt, I’m not the person anyone is catering their business model to favour—the youngs love the apps. So I can use an app or I can abstain but it is inaccurate to say there is no way for me to see the doctor or join a gym.
There are all kinds of services that are no longer available in the form we prefer or even at all because they were judged to be part of the past, not the future, by the providers. I don’t know why you expect Wizbro to be different from the rest of the capitalists. They met us in the middle when there was no obligation for them to do so.
So it isn't sabotage, it is marketing, how does that make it better?
I see it as lack of confidence in their new product, and if they are not confident I am not either.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
As has been discussed at length, users haven’t bought a copy of anything. Users have paid for access to online content that the provider sees fit to provide in the manner they see fit. It is exactly the same as my doctor no longer making appointments by phone: the preferred service is no longer available. And, like making appointments with my doctor, everything users paid to access is still available, just not in the form some would like most.
The facts of the dispute are that some people do not understand what they’ve paid for, have unfounded expectations and are unwilling to recognize that they’ve been thrown a bone.
Friend, you are being pedantic again. You are latching on to common terms used in analogies because you can't accept your understanding is flawed.
Nothing is being "rented" here in a legal sense. You are purchasing a license. This, and what that license is, is what is clearly laid out. A license is not content. It is permission to access the content that is available. I'm sorry if this may seem complicated for you.
Here is a link explaining how purchasing on this website works (may be slightly visually out of date due to the remodel):
https://dndbeyond-support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/articles/7747238466196-Purchasing-Digital-Game-Content
Like many (most? / all?) online purchasing platforms, it confirms that you have read the terms and conditions in order to complete a purchase. This ToS has been clipped here at length for you.
It doesn't mention rent because that was a term used by a person in an analogy trying to help conceptualize the system in a flawed way. You are trying to put points on a board that don't matter in the argument at hand.
Neither. You may have missed the explanation earlier.
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You didn’t ask me a question.
I didn’t say anything about rent.
The purchase flow does not identify any transaction for rent or purchase of commercial goods of any kind (unless you are buying a physical product or physical/digital bundle). It identifies purchase of a service.
I do know, but as you have not really made it relevant in any way, I'm not sure why you seem to be hanging on the definitions of words?