While some of the things I've heard about Tasha's make me go "hmm", this warms my heart. I have a lot of gay characters. Also, that artwork is beautiful!
Guardians of Meletis was actually printed before Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis. The latter card was an expansion of the story set up by the former as players wanted to know more about these two kings of Meletis
I'm not particularly interested in representation for the sake of representation myself... I mean you do you and all, just often comes off as forced imo.
That said, I really love the card with the kings there... Shows a great balance between strength and caring intimacy... Really speaks to me.
In the adventure Dragon of Icepire Peak, there is a gay king gnome couple. Can't say much more without spoiling the Gnomengard Quest. You don't interact with them much, but its good Wizards is diversifying.
Oh I don't really have an issue with the caption or the art.. It sweet enough. My point was that WOTC being big on representation doesn't do anything for me personally.. If anything those kinds of attitudes often leads to surface level stuff just for the sake of it..
Shows like the new batwoman really suffer from the idea of being focused on wanting representation for the sake of it instead of actually making good content.
I guess my comment was more directed at the OP's opening statement rather than the art itself, hope that clears it up :)
As a straight dad who has lived more than half a century, I have no problem with this sort of representation. The picture is kinda sweet in the way it depicts the couple. I never played MtG but the cards are pretty cool narratively speaking and the art is really nice. I never got to see the Batwoman tv show but I am aware that the character in the print form was ‘not straight,’ so I am not at all surprised to hear that such was included in their tv representation.
Personally I think art like this is a very positive thing. Both of my daughters are in their twenties and while they both identify as straight/cis, they have many friends who don’t. What I like is that because of art and representation like this in media, those friends have much more confidence and comfort in expressing who they are. I have had gay friends and teachers growing up and most of them lived in fear of what would happen if they expressed who they were openly. Because of that I am glad to see these forms of relationships being presented as normal as any other. Hopefully, if I ever have grandchildren, the world they grow up in won’t see this as representative.. they will simply see this as typical.
People fall in love with people. Nice to see it celebrated in positive ways.
Personally I think these sort of things work best if characters are simply allowed to exist without it being held up as a big point of interest of controversy. The issue with the batwoman show was not that it featured gay characters, it's that the show is pretty much only about that, making the characters almost caricatures of gay people rather than actual characters who happen to be gay. I really like how the walking dead has featured a few gay couples over the years without it being the primary focus of the characters but rather just a natural part of their lives.
This is also part of why I like the art on the card featured above. The characters are allowed to actually be something other than "gay" they're just really majestic dudes who happen to be gay, looking out over the kingdom they've fought so hard to build... The messaging is not "here's a gay couple" it's "here's two people appreciating a moment together"... If that makes sense.
It certainly does, and please accept my apologies if my post seemed personally critical of yours. Such was not my intention. As I said, I have never watched the Batwoman show, so I cannot speak to how that media depicted those relationships.
All I can say is that I didn’t feel that the illustration was any more than a ‘slice of life’ moment. It did not strike me as waving an agenda in my face, or at all out of place with any of the other illustrations in the book. Hope that makes sense.
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I know WOTC is big on LGBT+ representation, but this made my heart happy.
Nice couple, sweet image.
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While some of the things I've heard about Tasha's make me go "hmm", this warms my heart. I have a lot of gay characters. Also, that artwork is beautiful!
That was a pretty cute picture.
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This picture here from Tashas is the kind GT+ visibility that I found lacking in previous editions of D&D.
It isnt that everybody is gay or trans or other, and isnt that every NPC identifies themselves during an introduction,
It is that via the occasional illustration and backstory where spouse or buddy is significant, one can see that GT+ people exist in the setting.
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I think there was some representation in the art of the Theros book as well, but I don't remember if it was captioned as clearly.
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Those guys are really cool. They later made a follow up card that showed their legacy on the world.
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Guardians of Meletis was actually printed before Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis. The latter card was an expansion of the story set up by the former as players wanted to know more about these two kings of Meletis
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I'm not particularly interested in representation for the sake of representation myself... I mean you do you and all, just often comes off as forced imo.
That said, I really love the card with the kings there... Shows a great balance between strength and caring intimacy... Really speaks to me.
In the adventure Dragon of Icepire Peak, there is a gay king gnome couple. Can't say much more without spoiling the Gnomengard Quest. You don't interact with them much, but its good Wizards is diversifying.
The caption may be a little forced, but the artwork isn't imho. I think it's great.
Oh I don't really have an issue with the caption or the art.. It sweet enough. My point was that WOTC being big on representation doesn't do anything for me personally.. If anything those kinds of attitudes often leads to surface level stuff just for the sake of it..
Shows like the new batwoman really suffer from the idea of being focused on wanting representation for the sake of it instead of actually making good content.
I guess my comment was more directed at the OP's opening statement rather than the art itself, hope that clears it up :)
Well, Theros is based on Ancient Greece, and Homosexual relationships were basically considered to be the manliest thing you could do back then.
As a straight dad who has lived more than half a century, I have no problem with this sort of representation. The picture is kinda sweet in the way it depicts the couple. I never played MtG but the cards are pretty cool narratively speaking and the art is really nice. I never got to see the Batwoman tv show but I am aware that the character in the print form was ‘not straight,’ so I am not at all surprised to hear that such was included in their tv representation.
Personally I think art like this is a very positive thing. Both of my daughters are in their twenties and while they both identify as straight/cis, they have many friends who don’t. What I like is that because of art and representation like this in media, those friends have much more confidence and comfort in expressing who they are. I have had gay friends and teachers growing up and most of them lived in fear of what would happen if they expressed who they were openly. Because of that I am glad to see these forms of relationships being presented as normal as any other. Hopefully, if I ever have grandchildren, the world they grow up in won’t see this as representative.. they will simply see this as typical.
People fall in love with people. Nice to see it celebrated in positive ways.
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Personally I think these sort of things work best if characters are simply allowed to exist without it being held up as a big point of interest of controversy. The issue with the batwoman show was not that it featured gay characters, it's that the show is pretty much only about that, making the characters almost caricatures of gay people rather than actual characters who happen to be gay.
I really like how the walking dead has featured a few gay couples over the years without it being the primary focus of the characters but rather just a natural part of their lives.
This is also part of why I like the art on the card featured above. The characters are allowed to actually be something other than "gay" they're just really majestic dudes who happen to be gay, looking out over the kingdom they've fought so hard to build... The messaging is not "here's a gay couple" it's "here's two people appreciating a moment together"... If that makes sense.
It certainly does, and please accept my apologies if my post seemed personally critical of yours. Such was not my intention. As I said, I have never watched the Batwoman show, so I cannot speak to how that media depicted those relationships.
All I can say is that I didn’t feel that the illustration was any more than a ‘slice of life’ moment. It did not strike me as waving an agenda in my face, or at all out of place with any of the other illustrations in the book. Hope that makes sense.