I just believe that racial feats are just racist feats. I don't know why a "racial" feat for a human can't be used on an elf.
I absolutely understand this re: racial ASI at character creation (and agree), but I don't get it for racial feats. There are going to be things halflings can do that goliaths can't and vice-versa. A racial feat you might give a triton for undersea exploration at immense depths is going to make no sense on a tabaxi.
The trick lies in finding racial feats that reflect those genetic differences instead of basing them around cultural norms or individual aptitudes. It can be done, it just takes thoughtful designers.
That is correct, but then why is that not on the original lineage? But I think I understand.
I don't think its unrealistic to think that there are things a halfling can do but goliaths can't genetically, but also further things they could learn to do that goliaths couldn't due to that genetic difference. I can breathe air and a fish can't, but I've never climbed a mountain because I've never tried, but a fish can't even try, y'know?
Yea, that's very fair in my opinion. Every Tiefling has an innate ability to perform some minor magical feats, but very few hone that ability to the point where they can manipulate the flames of the nine hells and form a protective shield. I do think that some of the ones that just give resistances are boring to be honest, though. Yea, +1 to con and a resistance to cold and acid is probably better than a flame shield when you cast a fire spell, but man, the latter definitely makes me feel like I'm on some Infernal shit.
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It's ok Ranger, you'll always be cool to me.. Unless druid gets another use for its wild shape charges.
I’ve got my fingers crossed for a Planescape-themed UA.
If WotC is going Spelljammer; maybe they’ll give Planescape some love.
Perhaps even update the plane-touched races…make it more like the Gothic Lineages.
That way you have dwarves who have a celestial bloodline…halfling a with a tiefling heritage…some Genasi re-works…
No. I doubt it. They're too similar. It would be like releasing Faerun and Greyhawk in the same year. Bet on Dark Sun instead. You'll get more money probably.
I’ve got my fingers crossed for a Planescape-themed UA.
If WotC is going Spelljammer; maybe they’ll give Planescape some love.
Perhaps even update the plane-touched races…make it more like the Gothic Lineages.
That way you have dwarves who have a celestial bloodline…halfling a with a tiefling heritage…some Genasi re-works…
No. I doubt it. They're too similar. It would be like releasing Faerun and Greyhawk in the same year. Bet on Dark Sun instead. You'll get more money probably.
Dark Sun seems a bit nihilistic, psionic, and uh...cannibally for 5e.
I’ve got my fingers crossed for a Planescape-themed UA.
If WotC is going Spelljammer; maybe they’ll give Planescape some love.
Perhaps even update the plane-touched races…make it more like the Gothic Lineages.
That way you have dwarves who have a celestial bloodline…halfling a with a tiefling heritage…some Genasi re-works…
No. I doubt it. They're too similar. It would be like releasing Faerun and Greyhawk in the same year. Bet on Dark Sun instead. You'll get more money probably.
Dark Sun seems a bit nihilistic, psionic, and uh...cannibally for 5e.
But we saw Thri Keen. And if you talk nihilistic, I'll say Ravenloft. If you talk psionic, I'll say Tasha's. If you say cannibals, I say they're retcon. I dislike Dark Sun, but I feel like it's coming to spite me.
The post-Tasha's explanation is that the character creation ASI are there to underline that all adventurers are inherently outstanding and you can move them to better realize your specific character.
I get that, but I disagree with it wholly. The extra 15 points of point buy (above the 12 that a Commoner must get) are there to underline that all adventurers are inherently outstanding. The Racial ASIs were there to represent genetics, the fact that those racial ASIs could be replicated through leveling up was meant to represent that hard work and focus can overcome genetic predisposition. If anything, Powerful Build is more indicative of the concept of inherent racism than a +2 Str ever was.
The post-Tasha's explanation is that the character creation ASI are there to underline that all adventurers are inherently outstanding and you can move them to better realize your specific character.
I get that, but I disagree with it wholly. The extra 15 points of point buy (above the 12 that a Commoner must get) are there to underline that all adventurers are inherently outstanding. The Racial ASIs were there to represent genetics, the fact that those racial ASIs could be replicated through leveling up was meant to represent that hard work and focus can overcome genetic predisposition. If anything, Powerful Build is more indicative of the concept of inherent racism than a +2 Str ever was.
I don't understand this. But it's okay. I don't need to. Your opinion is your own, and mine is mine.
I loved Dark Sun. And Ravenloft was too emo, Tasha’s was a travesty to Psionics, and if they retcon the cannibalism out of Dark Sun then they might as well not bother doing it at all. It’s supposed to be cannibalistic. Either let it be what it is supposed to be, or leave it dead, but don’t disgrace it with retcons, shitty Psionics, and staplegun rejects.
I loved Dark Sun. And Ravenloft was too emo, Tasha’s was a travesty to Psionics, and if they retcon the cannibalism out of Dark Sun then they might as well not bother doing it at all. It’s supposed to be cannibalistic. Either let it be what it is supposed to be, or leave it dead, but don’t disgrace it with retcons, shitty Psionics, and staplegun rejects.
Dark Sun and other older settings aren't my jam. Sure, I love deserts and psionics, but can we just have an archipelago setting with ice mountains and waka and puffins already?
I loved Dark Sun. And Ravenloft was too emo, Tasha’s was a travesty to Psionics, and if they retcon the cannibalism out of Dark Sun then they might as well not bother doing it at all. It’s supposed to be cannibalistic. Either let it be what it is supposed to be, or leave it dead, but don’t disgrace it with retcons, shitty Psionics, and staplegun rejects.
Thats my worry too...it will be "cleaned up" for 5e and lose the grim dark that made it different.
Slavery, cannibalism, and genocide are huge parts of the lore. While this could be an interesting setting for those who want such an experience it would be hard sell for the majority of the player base me thinks.
I loved Dark Sun. And Ravenloft was too emo, Tasha’s was a travesty to Psionics, and if they retcon the cannibalism out of Dark Sun then they might as well not bother doing it at all. It’s supposed to be cannibalistic. Either let it be what it is supposed to be, or leave it dead, but don’t disgrace it with retcons, shitty Psionics, and staplegun rejects.
Thats my worry too...it will be "cleaned up" for 5e and lose the grim dark that made it different.
Slavery, cannibalism, and genocide are huge parts of the lore. While this could be an interesting setting for those who want such an experience it would be hard sell for the majority of the player base me thinks.
Genocide and death and that is also a hard sell. It's a niche setting, but the Thri Keen indicate...
The post-Tasha's explanation is that the character creation ASI are there to underline that all adventurers are inherently outstanding and you can move them to better realize your specific character.
I get that, but I disagree with it wholly. The extra 15 points of point buy (above the 12 that a Commoner must get) are there to underline that all adventurers are inherently outstanding. The Racial ASIs were there to represent genetics, the fact that those racial ASIs could be replicated through leveling up was meant to represent that hard work and focus can overcome genetic predisposition. If anything, Powerful Build is more indicative of the concept of inherent racism than a +2 Str ever was.
I don't understand this. But it's okay. I don't need to. Your opinion is your own, and mine is mine.
A trait like Powerful Build is something that can never be achieved through hard work, discipline, or determination. It is saying that races with Powerful Build are inherently meant to be sentient beasts of burden. Whereas a bonus to Strength allows those PC to still be inherently stronger than others, but doesn’t preclude others from achieving the same level of Strength, nor does it make certain characters genetically predisposed to being the party pack-mule ready to carry everyone else’s stuff like a servant. If powerful build also allied to stuff like grappling and jump distances then at least it wouldn’t scream “porter/bellhop” nearly so much
Seriously, how am I the only one that sees a racial trait that makes one race genetically predisposed to performing manual, back-breaking labor for others as more racially insensitive than a simple boost to Strength that could be achieved by anyone at 4th-level. I’m flabbergasted. Being naturally stronger is not “racist,” being a genetically predisposed carrier of other people’s stuff on the other hand…. Really?!? Nobody else sees that?!? It’s just me?!? Really?!? C’mon… really?!?
I loved Dark Sun. And Ravenloft was too emo, Tasha’s was a travesty to Psionics, and if they retcon the cannibalism out of Dark Sun then they might as well not bother doing it at all. It’s supposed to be cannibalistic. Either let it be what it is supposed to be, or leave it dead, but don’t disgrace it with retcons, shitty Psionics, and staplegun rejects.
Thats my worry too...it will be "cleaned up" for 5e and lose the grim dark that made it different.
Slavery, cannibalism, and genocide are huge parts of the lore. While this could be an interesting setting for those who want such an experience it would be hard sell for the majority of the player base me thinks.
Genocide and death and that is also a hard sell. It's a niche setting, but the Thri Keen indicate...
Thri Keen could easily be placed into Spell jammer or any desert setting.
Also they have been around as a creature since the monster manual.
I loved Dark Sun. And Ravenloft was too emo, Tasha’s was a travesty to Psionics, and if they retcon the cannibalism out of Dark Sun then they might as well not bother doing it at all. It’s supposed to be cannibalistic. Either let it be what it is supposed to be, or leave it dead, but don’t disgrace it with retcons, shitty Psionics, and staplegun rejects.
Thats my worry too...it will be "cleaned up" for 5e and lose the grim dark that made it different.
Slavery, cannibalism, and genocide are huge parts of the lore. While this could be an interesting setting for those who want such an experience it would be hard sell for the majority of the player base me thinks.
Genocide and death and that is also a hard sell. It's a niche setting, but the Thri Keen indicate...
Thri Keen could easily be placed into Spell jammer or any desert setting.
Also they have been around as a creature since the monster manual.
Yes, but Dark Sun was the first to introduce those, along with Aaracokra, Genasi, and Eladrin as playable races.
I’ve got my fingers crossed for a Planescape-themed UA.
If WotC is going Spelljammer; maybe they’ll give Planescape some love.
Perhaps even update the plane-touched races…make it more like the Gothic Lineages.
That way you have dwarves who have a celestial bloodline…halfling a with a tiefling heritage…some Genasi re-works…
No. I doubt it. They're too similar. It would be like releasing Faerun and Greyhawk in the same year. Bet on Dark Sun instead. You'll get more money probably.
Dark Sun seems a bit nihilistic, psionic, and uh...cannibally for 5e.
And the Mulls, don't forget how they were created. How is that going to fly in 5e.
I loved Dark Sun. And Ravenloft was too emo, Tasha’s was a travesty to Psionics, and if they retcon the cannibalism out of Dark Sun then they might as well not bother doing it at all. It’s supposed to be cannibalistic. Either let it be what it is supposed to be, or leave it dead, but don’t disgrace it with retcons, shitty Psionics, and staplegun rejects.
Dark Sun and other older settings aren't my jam. Sure, I love deserts and psionics, but can we just have an archipelago setting with ice mountains and waka and puffins already?
I’d rather play on Athas. The only official settings I ever really enjoyed were Mystara and Dark Sun. I’m almost as old as some of those settings.
I’ve got my fingers crossed for a Planescape-themed UA.
If WotC is going Spelljammer; maybe they’ll give Planescape some love.
Perhaps even update the plane-touched races…make it more like the Gothic Lineages.
That way you have dwarves who have a celestial bloodline…halfling a with a tiefling heritage…some Genasi re-works…
No. I doubt it. They're too similar. It would be like releasing Faerun and Greyhawk in the same year. Bet on Dark Sun instead. You'll get more money probably.
Dark Sun seems a bit nihilistic, psionic, and uh...cannibally for 5e.
But we saw Thri Keen. And if you talk nihilistic, I'll say Ravenloft. If you talk psionic, I'll say Tasha's. If you say cannibals, I say they're retcon. I dislike Dark Sun, but I feel like it's coming to spite me.
Thri-Kreen have been in 5e since the Monster Manual was published, and no mention was made of Arras in the entry so you can have Thri-Kreen without Dark Sun. I don't really have a stake in whether Dark Sun shows in 5e or no, but the Thri-Kreen have so far been setting agnostic in 5e. Making them a playable race doesn't necessarily bind them to a setting.
Also Thri-Kreen fill out the Star Frontiers analogs a few have picked up on, filling in for Vrusk.
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I wanna see the return of Planescape now that Spelljammer stuff is on the horizon. I've always thought that was a neat setting because it (and Spelljammer) can exist simultaneously with all the other dnd worlds and isn't isolated to a single one. Did your party set fire to the forgotten realms? Then find yourself a portal, escape, and start over through Sigil, city of doors. Now they can set fire to Ebberon, Wildemount, Theros, Ravnica, and countless others worlds too! So come, take the great wheel for a spin and see which poor unsuspecting dnd world gets to bear the burden of your bloodthirsty campaign derailers next! I mean, what could go wrong right? *party ignites an interdimensional war*
I maintain we're getting a hybrid Planejammer/Spellscape thing. There's too much similarity and the base concepts of each are too easy to mash together and get something even more interesting out of it not to.
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I don't think its unrealistic to think that there are things a halfling can do but goliaths can't genetically, but also further things they could learn to do that goliaths couldn't due to that genetic difference. I can breathe air and a fish can't, but I've never climbed a mountain because I've never tried, but a fish can't even try, y'know?
Yea, that's very fair in my opinion. Every Tiefling has an innate ability to perform some minor magical feats, but very few hone that ability to the point where they can manipulate the flames of the nine hells and form a protective shield. I do think that some of the ones that just give resistances are boring to be honest, though. Yea, +1 to con and a resistance to cold and acid is probably better than a flame shield when you cast a fire spell, but man, the latter definitely makes me feel like I'm on some Infernal shit.
It's ok Ranger, you'll always be cool to me.. Unless druid gets another use for its wild shape charges.
I’ve got my fingers crossed for a Planescape-themed UA.
If WotC is going Spelljammer; maybe they’ll give Planescape some love.
Perhaps even update the plane-touched races…make it more like the Gothic Lineages.
That way you have dwarves who have a celestial bloodline…halfling a with a tiefling heritage…some Genasi re-works…
No. I doubt it. They're too similar. It would be like releasing Faerun and Greyhawk in the same year. Bet on Dark Sun instead. You'll get more money probably.
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Dark Sun seems a bit nihilistic, psionic, and uh...cannibally for 5e.
But we saw Thri Keen. And if you talk nihilistic, I'll say Ravenloft. If you talk psionic, I'll say Tasha's. If you say cannibals, I say they're retcon. I dislike Dark Sun, but I feel like it's coming to spite me.
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I get that, but I disagree with it wholly. The extra 15 points of point buy (above the 12 that a Commoner must get) are there to underline that all adventurers are inherently outstanding. The Racial ASIs were there to represent genetics, the fact that those racial ASIs could be replicated through leveling up was meant to represent that hard work and focus can overcome genetic predisposition. If anything, Powerful Build is more indicative of the concept of inherent racism than a +2 Str ever was.
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I don't understand this. But it's okay. I don't need to. Your opinion is your own, and mine is mine.
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I loved Dark Sun. And Ravenloft was too emo, Tasha’s was a travesty to Psionics, and if they retcon the cannibalism out of Dark Sun then they might as well not bother doing it at all. It’s supposed to be cannibalistic. Either let it be what it is supposed to be, or leave it dead, but don’t disgrace it with retcons, shitty Psionics, and staplegun rejects.
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Dark Sun and other older settings aren't my jam. Sure, I love deserts and psionics, but can we just have an archipelago setting with ice mountains and waka and puffins already?
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Thats my worry too...it will be "cleaned up" for 5e and lose the grim dark that made it different.
Slavery, cannibalism, and genocide are huge parts of the lore. While this could be an interesting setting for those who want such an experience it would be hard sell for the majority of the player base me thinks.
Genocide and death and that is also a hard sell. It's a niche setting, but the Thri Keen indicate...
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A trait like Powerful Build is something that can never be achieved through hard work, discipline, or determination. It is saying that races with Powerful Build are inherently meant to be sentient beasts of burden. Whereas a bonus to Strength allows those PC to still be inherently stronger than others, but doesn’t preclude others from achieving the same level of Strength, nor does it make certain characters genetically predisposed to being the party pack-mule ready to carry everyone else’s stuff like a servant. If powerful build also allied to stuff like grappling and jump distances then at least it wouldn’t scream “porter/bellhop” nearly so much
Seriously, how am I the only one that sees a racial trait that makes one race genetically predisposed to performing manual, back-breaking labor for others as more racially insensitive than a simple boost to Strength that could be achieved by anyone at 4th-level. I’m flabbergasted. Being naturally stronger is not “racist,” being a genetically predisposed carrier of other people’s stuff on the other hand…. Really?!? Nobody else sees that?!? It’s just me?!? Really?!? C’mon… really?!?
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Thri Keen could easily be placed into Spell jammer or any desert setting.
Also they have been around as a creature since the monster manual.
Yes, but Dark Sun was the first to introduce those, along with Aaracokra, Genasi, and Eladrin as playable races.
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And the Mulls, don't forget how they were created. How is that going to fly in 5e.
I’d rather play on Athas. The only official settings I ever really enjoyed were Mystara and Dark Sun. I’m almost as old as some of those settings.
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Thri-Kreen have been in 5e since the Monster Manual was published, and no mention was made of Arras in the entry so you can have Thri-Kreen without Dark Sun. I don't really have a stake in whether Dark Sun shows in 5e or no, but the Thri-Kreen have so far been setting agnostic in 5e. Making them a playable race doesn't necessarily bind them to a setting.
Also Thri-Kreen fill out the Star Frontiers analogs a few have picked up on, filling in for Vrusk.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
I wanna see the return of Planescape now that Spelljammer stuff is on the horizon. I've always thought that was a neat setting because it (and Spelljammer) can exist simultaneously with all the other dnd worlds and isn't isolated to a single one. Did your party set fire to the forgotten realms? Then find yourself a portal, escape, and start over through Sigil, city of doors. Now they can set fire to Ebberon, Wildemount, Theros, Ravnica, and countless others worlds too! So come, take the great wheel for a spin and see which poor unsuspecting dnd world gets to bear the burden of your bloodthirsty campaign derailers next! I mean, what could go wrong right? *party ignites an interdimensional war*
I maintain we're getting a hybrid Planejammer/Spellscape thing. There's too much similarity and the base concepts of each are too easy to mash together and get something even more interesting out of it not to.