Very interesting. His writing style is fascinating. Was he really fluent in 22 languages? I knew it was a lot, but I had thought it was somewhere around 12 or 13.
English, German, Latin, French, Middle English, Old English, Finnish, Gothic, Greek, Italian, Old Norse, Spanish, Welsh, Medieval Welsh, Danish, Dutch, Lombardic, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Swedish, and a smattering of other older forms of Germanic and Slavic languages, not to mention the constructed languages he created.
Now, some of those languages are pretty close to one another--Norwegian, Swedish, and Old Norse are rather similar, so learning one makes it a lot easier to learn the others. Middle English is also somewhat legible to one who speaks Modern English (for example, "Sum bethe of wer and sum of wo," from the Lai of Sir Orfeo is easily read as "some be of war and some of woe"). Yet that still does not fully account for his linguistical expertise in an incredible four different language families--Romance, Germanic, Slavic, and Celtic.
On the whole, I like Robert Jordan as well. His worldbuilding, character development (sometimes--his writing of female characters can be a bit... questionable at times), and overall story are all great--but his writing is really, really bad. For example, one does not need to be reminded every time you walk into a room in Fal Dara that the room has arrow slits for windows and tapestries hanging between each. There are chapters where he does this multiple times in the same chapter.
Jordan is a valuable lesson in why you should not be married to your editor.
Very interesting. His writing style is fascinating. Was he really fluent in 22 languages? I knew it was a lot, but I had thought it was somewhere around 12 or 13.
English, German, Latin, French, Middle English, Old English, Finnish, Gothic, Greek, Italian, Old Norse, Spanish, Welsh, Medieval Welsh, Danish, Dutch, Lombardic, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Swedish, and a smattering of other older forms of Germanic and Slavic languages, not to mention the constructed languages he created.
Now, some of those languages are pretty close to one another--Norwegian, Swedish, and Old Norse are rather similar, so learning one makes it a lot easier to learn the others. Middle English is also somewhat legible to one who speaks Modern English (for example, "Sum bethe of wer and sum of wo," from the Lai of Sir Orfeo is easily read as "some be of war and some of woe"). Yet that still does not fully account for his linguistical expertise in an incredible four different language families--Romance, Germanic, Slavic, and Celtic.
Truly a scholar of language without equal.
Except for the many thousands who are his better but aren't recognized because they didn't write some useless book haha
On the whole, I like Robert Jordan as well. His worldbuilding, character development (sometimes--his writing of female characters can be a bit... questionable at times), and overall story are all great--but his writing is really, really bad. For example, one does not need to be reminded every time you walk into a room in Fal Dara that the room has arrow slits for windows and tapestries hanging between each. There are chapters where he does this multiple times in the same chapter.
Jordan is a valuable lesson in why you should not be married to your editor.
Very interesting. His writing style is fascinating. Was he really fluent in 22 languages? I knew it was a lot, but I had thought it was somewhere around 12 or 13.
English, German, Latin, French, Middle English, Old English, Finnish, Gothic, Greek, Italian, Old Norse, Spanish, Welsh, Medieval Welsh, Danish, Dutch, Lombardic, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Swedish, and a smattering of other older forms of Germanic and Slavic languages, not to mention the constructed languages he created.
Now, some of those languages are pretty close to one another--Norwegian, Swedish, and Old Norse are rather similar, so learning one makes it a lot easier to learn the others. Middle English is also somewhat legible to one who speaks Modern English (for example, "Sum bethe of wer and sum of wo," from the Lai of Sir Orfeo is easily read as "some be of war and some of woe"). Yet that still does not fully account for his linguistical expertise in an incredible four different language families--Romance, Germanic, Slavic, and Celtic.
Truly a scholar of language without equal.
Except for the many thousands who are his better but aren't recognized because they didn't write some useless book haha
Can’t tell if you’re joking but LOTR IS NOT USELESS
Very interesting. His writing style is fascinating. Was he really fluent in 22 languages? I knew it was a lot, but I had thought it was somewhere around 12 or 13.
English, German, Latin, French, Middle English, Old English, Finnish, Gothic, Greek, Italian, Old Norse, Spanish, Welsh, Medieval Welsh, Danish, Dutch, Lombardic, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Swedish, and a smattering of other older forms of Germanic and Slavic languages, not to mention the constructed languages he created.
Now, some of those languages are pretty close to one another--Norwegian, Swedish, and Old Norse are rather similar, so learning one makes it a lot easier to learn the others. Middle English is also somewhat legible to one who speaks Modern English (for example, "Sum bethe of wer and sum of wo," from the Lai of Sir Orfeo is easily read as "some be of war and some of woe"). Yet that still does not fully account for his linguistical expertise in an incredible four different language families--Romance, Germanic, Slavic, and Celtic.
Truly a scholar of language without equal.
Except for the many thousands who are his better but aren't recognized because they didn't write some useless book haha
Can’t tell if you’re joking but LOTR IS NOT USELESS
Considering the post was the only break in its author’s rather inconsiderate spamming of everyone’s notifications, I think trolling is probably a more apt word than “joking”. Generally best not to take such obvious bait—it is difficult to engage in conversation when the other user is actively trying to drown out any possibility of actual discourse.
Very interesting. His writing style is fascinating. Was he really fluent in 22 languages? I knew it was a lot, but I had thought it was somewhere around 12 or 13.
English, German, Latin, French, Middle English, Old English, Finnish, Gothic, Greek, Italian, Old Norse, Spanish, Welsh, Medieval Welsh, Danish, Dutch, Lombardic, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Swedish, and a smattering of other older forms of Germanic and Slavic languages, not to mention the constructed languages he created.
Now, some of those languages are pretty close to one another--Norwegian, Swedish, and Old Norse are rather similar, so learning one makes it a lot easier to learn the others. Middle English is also somewhat legible to one who speaks Modern English (for example, "Sum bethe of wer and sum of wo," from the Lai of Sir Orfeo is easily read as "some be of war and some of woe"). Yet that still does not fully account for his linguistical expertise in an incredible four different language families--Romance, Germanic, Slavic, and Celtic.
Truly a scholar of language without equal.
Except for the many thousands who are his better but aren't recognized because they didn't write some useless book haha
Can’t tell if you’re joking but LOTR IS NOT USELESS
Considering the post was the only break in its author’s rather inconsiderate spamming of everyone’s notifications, I think trolling is probably a more apt word than “joking”. Generally best not to take such obvious bait—it is difficult to engage in conversation when the other user is actively trying to drown out any possibility of actual discourse.
Please be nice Counselor 😊. I’m sure they were just being silly and didn’t mean any harm.
Oh hey, more news on RoP. I know I said I’d stop, but I just had to share this one.
Remember all those reviews of RoP from YouTubers and influencers whose reviews were practically hysterical in praise, calling it one of the greatest cinematic achievements ever and saying it would reinvent television? Who were definitely not influenced by the fact they got special access to the show, including being flown to Britain to talk with the showrunners, flown to the premier, etc? Turns out they weren’t influenced at all. Let me explain.
The very popular YouTubers Hello Future Me and George the Giant Slayer were also offered this special access. However, they replied to Amazon saying on no uncertain terms that this would not colour their opinion of the show, that they would be perfectly honest, and would not write fake positive reviews. And guess what? They were denied all access and completely ghosted by Amazon.
The truth is out folks. All those positive reviews showering RoP in praise and completely fake and bought off by Amazon. RoP is shit, and unless it gets better it’s gonna be a flop. I’m not even surprised that Amazon bought people off, I (and most people) suspected it from the beginning.
Hey Pallghost, remember how you made fun of me saying that according to my logic all those rave reviews of RoP being put out by these people were fake? And I replied yeah, they are.
Oh hey, more news on RoP. I know I said I’d stop, but I just had to share this one.
Remember all those reviews of RoP from YouTubers and influencers whose reviews were practically hysterical in praise, calling it one of the greatest cinematic achievements ever and saying it would reinvent television? Who were definitely not influenced by the fact they got special access to the show, including being flown to Britain to talk with the showrunners, flown to the premier, etc? Turns out they weren’t influenced at all. Let me explain.
The very popular YouTubers Hello Future Me and George the Giant Slayer were also offered this special access. However, they replied to Amazon saying on no uncertain terms that this would not colour their opinion of the show, that they would be perfectly honest, and would not write fake positive reviews. And guess what? They were denied all access and completely ghosted by Amazon.
The truth is out folks. All those positive reviews showering RoP in praise and completely fake and bought off by Amazon. RoP is shit, and unless it gets better it’s gonna be a flop. I’m not even surprised that Amazon bought people off, I (and most people) suspected it from the beginning.
It is certainly an interesting story - though one I have only seen thus far on a site which regularly promotes bigotry, so I will wait for a bit better reporting before passing judgment. It certainly is not a great look for Amazon if accurate, though not really uncommon in the industry. Frankly, I am more concerned about what it will do for conversations about upcoming projects - this is going to play into the hands of people who would rather prejudge something based on questionable information, rather than take a “I’ll decide when I see it” approach. I expect we will see a lot of “I was right all along” posts by folks who ignore the reality that after-acquired information does not change the fact they were ranting from a position of ignorance.
Speaking from the perspective of someone who was firmly in the “I’ll give it the benefit of the doubtand judge the show based on its contents“ crowd, this information changes nothing about my opinion of the show—nor should it, since it is now possible to judge the show on its own merits. For me, that means wishing it would get better, and hoping that the novice showrunners (seriously, with a billion dollars, one would think Amazon might be able to hire some folks with actual experience!) will improve and reduce their exposition-heavy dialogue and introduce some actual tension and conflict now that they got past the third episode and introduction of the last major faction.
So, for now, I would recommend only judging the show based upon the show itself - and perhaps remembering hat there are people who legitimately like the show, and it feels bad when someone seems to imply that only a fool or someone who was bought off could enjoy the product.
Oh hey, more news on RoP. I know I said I’d stop, but I just had to share this one.
Remember all those reviews of RoP from YouTubers and influencers whose reviews were practically hysterical in praise, calling it one of the greatest cinematic achievements ever and saying it would reinvent television? Who were definitely not influenced by the fact they got special access to the show, including being flown to Britain to talk with the showrunners, flown to the premier, etc? Turns out they weren’t influenced at all. Let me explain.
The very popular YouTubers Hello Future Me and George the Giant Slayer were also offered this special access. However, they replied to Amazon saying on no uncertain terms that this would not colour their opinion of the show, that they would be perfectly honest, and would not write fake positive reviews. And guess what? They were denied all access and completely ghosted by Amazon.
The truth is out folks. All those positive reviews showering RoP in praise and completely fake and bought off by Amazon. RoP is shit, and unless it gets better it’s gonna be a flop. I’m not even surprised that Amazon bought people off, I (and most people) suspected it from the beginning.
It is certainly an interesting story - though one I have only seen thus far on a site which regularly promotes bigotry, so I will wait for a bit better reporting before passing judgment. It certainly is not a great look for Amazon if accurate, though not really uncommon in the industry. Frankly, I am more concerned about what it will do for conversations about upcoming projects - this is going to play into the hands of people who would rather prejudge something based on questionable information, rather than take a “I’ll decide when I see it” approach. I expect we will see a lot of “I was right all along” posts by folks who ignore the reality that after-acquired information does not change the fact they were ranting from a position of ignorance.
Speaking from the perspective of someone who was firmly in the “I’ll give it the benefit of the doubtand judge the show based on its contents“ crowd, this information changes nothing about my opinion of the show—nor should it, since it is now possible to judge the show on its own merits. For me, that means wishing it would get better, and hoping that the novice showrunners (seriously, with a billion dollars, one would think Amazon might be able to hire some folks with actual experience!) will improve and reduce their exposition-heavy dialogue and introduce some actual tension and conflict now that they got past the third episode and introduction of the last major faction.
So, for now, I would recommend only judging the show based upon the show itself - and perhaps remembering hat there are people who legitimately like the show, and it feels bad when someone seems to imply that only a fool or someone who was bought off could enjoy the product.
It’s on Hello Future Me’s YouTube, that’s where I got it from, tho I did see the article you’re talking about (that’s how I heard about GtGS). Yeah, it’s not surprising or anything, most shows do it. I am definitely someone who called this tho, the reviews honestly sounded hysterical and I just didn’t buy that any show could be such a groundbreaking, worldshaking masterpiece like they claimed it was.
Yeah, I agree the showrunners seem to be the main problem. I really don’t understand why Amazon hired them when they could have got the cream of the crop.
I’m still of the opinion the only way you can like the show is by turning your brain off and just watching the pretty visuals: But that’s not dissing anyone who enjoys it, most movies are like that anyway and I personally don’t mind turning my brain off and watching big CGI sometimes. I just expect far more from anything with Tolkien’s name involved.
I know this was not directed at me, but I’ll respond. I rather like Arondir‘a story. Right now, his tale is the only one where things actually seem to be happening—the mystery about what the orcs are searching for, a present threat to townsfolk, the question of the child who found the Sauron-marked hilt, etc. He seems like an interesting character, and I want to learn more about him and his internal conflict between his personal feelings toward humans and the history between elves and humans in that region. His is a great example of why not every story needs to be epic—sometimes small stories about regular folk thrust into execrations circumstances can be even more compelling than the stories of the movers and shakers of nations.
Given Tolkien’s desire for others to explore his world, and his personal preference for telling stories through the eyes of the seemingly unexceptional, I think Arondir’s story feels most like something out of Tolkien’a non-mythological works.
I know this was not directed at me, but I’ll respond. I rather like Arondir‘a story. Right now, his tale is the only one where things actually seem to be happening—the mystery about what the orcs are searching for, a present threat to townsfolk, the question of the child who found the Sauron-marked hilt, etc. He seems like an interesting character, and I want to learn more about him and his internal conflict between his personal feelings toward humans and the history between elves and humans in that region. His is a great example of why not every story needs to be epic—sometimes small stories about regular folk thrust into execrations circumstances can be even more compelling than the stories of the movers and shakers of nations.
Given Tolkien’s desire for others to explore his world, and his personal preference for telling stories through the eyes of the seemingly unexceptional, I think Arondir’s story feels most like something out of Tolkien’a non-mythological works.
I personally prefer the Silmarillion, but I like Tolkien’s non-mythological stories (such as the Hobbit) too.
I know this was not directed at me, but I’ll respond. I rather like Arondir‘a story. Right now, his tale is the only one where things actually seem to be happening—the mystery about what the orcs are searching for, a present threat to townsfolk, the question of the child who found the Sauron-marked hilt, etc. He seems like an interesting character, and I want to learn more about him and his internal conflict between his personal feelings toward humans and the history between elves and humans in that region. His is a great example of why not every story needs to be epic—sometimes small stories about regular folk thrust into execrations circumstances can be even more compelling than the stories of the movers and shakers of nations.
Given Tolkien’s desire for others to explore his world, and his personal preference for telling stories through the eyes of the seemingly unexceptional, I think Arondir’s story feels most like something out of Tolkien’a non-mythological works.
I personally prefer the Silmarillion, but I like Tolkien’s non-mythological stories (such as the Hobbit) too.
The Silmarillion is wonderful in every sense of the world—and therein lies its problem for adaptation. True wonder—that evocative fear you are reading something fantastical—can only exist in spoken or written mediums. In adapting mythology to live action film, things that work in the myth (be it an army of thousands of Balrogs or Achilles getting into a fight with a river) can look a bit out of place on film.
I think that is probably one of my problems with the established Tolkien characters in the show - the showrunners are struggling a bit to adapt stories from the Mythological to a more realistic medium, with characters folks have preconceived notions of based on the more historical book. That is a hard bridge to divide—and is likely one of the reasons I find they are doing a bit better with their original characters, who they do not feel the same constraints in creating.
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I like Robert Jordan
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English, German, Latin, French, Middle English, Old English, Finnish, Gothic, Greek, Italian, Old Norse, Spanish, Welsh, Medieval Welsh, Danish, Dutch, Lombardic, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Swedish, and a smattering of other older forms of Germanic and Slavic languages, not to mention the constructed languages he created.
Now, some of those languages are pretty close to one another--Norwegian, Swedish, and Old Norse are rather similar, so learning one makes it a lot easier to learn the others. Middle English is also somewhat legible to one who speaks Modern English (for example, "Sum bethe of wer and sum of wo," from the Lai of Sir Orfeo is easily read as "some be of war and some of woe"). Yet that still does not fully account for his linguistical expertise in an incredible four different language families--Romance, Germanic, Slavic, and Celtic.
Truly a scholar of language without equal.
On the whole, I like Robert Jordan as well. His worldbuilding, character development (sometimes--his writing of female characters can be a bit... questionable at times), and overall story are all great--but his writing is really, really bad. For example, one does not need to be reminded every time you walk into a room in Fal Dara that the room has arrow slits for windows and tapestries hanging between each. There are chapters where he does this multiple times in the same chapter.
Jordan is a valuable lesson in why you should not be married to your editor.
Except for the many thousands who are his better but aren't recognized because they didn't write some useless book haha
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Yeah good point about the female characters lol
Can’t tell if you’re joking but LOTR IS NOT USELESS
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Considering the post was the only break in its author’s rather inconsiderate spamming of everyone’s notifications, I think trolling is probably a more apt word than “joking”. Generally best not to take such obvious bait—it is difficult to engage in conversation when the other user is actively trying to drown out any possibility of actual discourse.
Please be nice Counselor 😊. I’m sure they were just being silly and didn’t mean any harm.
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Oh hey, more news on RoP. I know I said I’d stop, but I just had to share this one.
Remember all those reviews of RoP from YouTubers and influencers whose reviews were practically hysterical in praise, calling it one of the greatest cinematic achievements ever and saying it would reinvent television? Who were definitely not influenced by the fact they got special access to the show, including being flown to Britain to talk with the showrunners, flown to the premier, etc? Turns out they weren’t influenced at all. Let me explain.
The very popular YouTubers Hello Future Me and George the Giant Slayer were also offered this special access. However, they replied to Amazon saying on no uncertain terms that this would not colour their opinion of the show, that they would be perfectly honest, and would not write fake positive reviews. And guess what? They were denied all access and completely ghosted by Amazon.
The truth is out folks. All those positive reviews showering RoP in praise and completely fake and bought off by Amazon. RoP is shit, and unless it gets better it’s gonna be a flop. I’m not even surprised that Amazon bought people off, I (and most people) suspected it from the beginning.
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Hey Pallghost, remember how you made fun of me saying that according to my logic all those rave reviews of RoP being put out by these people were fake? And I replied yeah, they are.
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Member of the Cult of Cats, High Elf of the Elven Guild, and Sauce Priest & Sauce Smith of the Supreme Court of Sauce.
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It is certainly an interesting story - though one I have only seen thus far on a site which regularly promotes bigotry, so I will wait for a bit better reporting before passing judgment. It certainly is not a great look for Amazon if accurate, though not really uncommon in the industry. Frankly, I am more concerned about what it will do for conversations about upcoming projects - this is going to play into the hands of people who would rather prejudge something based on questionable information, rather than take a “I’ll decide when I see it” approach. I expect we will see a lot of “I was right all along” posts by folks who ignore the reality that after-acquired information does not change the fact they were ranting from a position of ignorance.
Speaking from the perspective of someone who was firmly in the “I’ll give it the benefit of the doubtand judge the show based on its contents“ crowd, this information changes nothing about my opinion of the show—nor should it, since it is now possible to judge the show on its own merits. For me, that means wishing it would get better, and hoping that the novice showrunners (seriously, with a billion dollars, one would think Amazon might be able to hire some folks with actual experience!) will improve and reduce their exposition-heavy dialogue and introduce some actual tension and conflict now that they got past the third episode and introduction of the last major faction.
So, for now, I would recommend only judging the show based upon the show itself - and perhaps remembering hat there are people who legitimately like the show, and it feels bad when someone seems to imply that only a fool or someone who was bought off could enjoy the product.
good to hear Corrin. Favorite plotline?
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It’s on Hello Future Me’s YouTube, that’s where I got it from, tho I did see the article you’re talking about (that’s how I heard about GtGS). Yeah, it’s not surprising or anything, most shows do it. I am definitely someone who called this tho, the reviews honestly sounded hysterical and I just didn’t buy that any show could be such a groundbreaking, worldshaking masterpiece like they claimed it was.
Yeah, I agree the showrunners seem to be the main problem. I really don’t understand why Amazon hired them when they could have got the cream of the crop.
I’m still of the opinion the only way you can like the show is by turning your brain off and just watching the pretty visuals: But that’s not dissing anyone who enjoys it, most movies are like that anyway and I personally don’t mind turning my brain off and watching big CGI sometimes. I just expect far more from anything with Tolkien’s name involved.
I'm the Valar (leader and creator) of The Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit/Anything Tolkien Cult!
Member of the Cult of Cats, High Elf of the Elven Guild, and Sauce Priest & Sauce Smith of the Supreme Court of Sauce.
If you want some casual roleplay/adventures in Middle Earth, check out The Wild's Edge Tavern, a LotR/Middle Earth tavern!
JOIN TIAMAT'S CONGA LINE!
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I know this was not directed at me, but I’ll respond. I rather like Arondir‘a story. Right now, his tale is the only one where things actually seem to be happening—the mystery about what the orcs are searching for, a present threat to townsfolk, the question of the child who found the Sauron-marked hilt, etc. He seems like an interesting character, and I want to learn more about him and his internal conflict between his personal feelings toward humans and the history between elves and humans in that region. His is a great example of why not every story needs to be epic—sometimes small stories about regular folk thrust into execrations circumstances can be even more compelling than the stories of the movers and shakers of nations.
Given Tolkien’s desire for others to explore his world, and his personal preference for telling stories through the eyes of the seemingly unexceptional, I think Arondir’s story feels most like something out of Tolkien’a non-mythological works.
I personally prefer the Silmarillion, but I like Tolkien’s non-mythological stories (such as the Hobbit) too.
The Silmarillion is wonderful in every sense of the world—and therein lies its problem for adaptation. True wonder—that evocative fear you are reading something fantastical—can only exist in spoken or written mediums. In adapting mythology to live action film, things that work in the myth (be it an army of thousands of Balrogs or Achilles getting into a fight with a river) can look a bit out of place on film.
I think that is probably one of my problems with the established Tolkien characters in the show - the showrunners are struggling a bit to adapt stories from the Mythological to a more realistic medium, with characters folks have preconceived notions of based on the more historical book. That is a hard bridge to divide—and is likely one of the reasons I find they are doing a bit better with their original characters, who they do not feel the same constraints in creating.