If you were a Dhampir Monk, can you use Dexterity for your bite since it counts as a "monk weapon" or do you still have to use Con?

i think dex and con

Thanks! It would be pretty powerful otherwise!

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Thanks! It would be pretty powerful otherwise!

It still scales with your Martial Arts die, so it eventually gets to a d10.

martial arts allows Unarmed strikes and simple weapons to be used with Dex. It doesn't say that they have to be strength based attacks. It's just that Con based attacks are a new thing. Until they release a rules specifically forbidding this, I think Dex or Con is viable.

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martial arts allows Unarmed strikes and simple weapons to be used with Dex. It doesn't say that they have to be strength based attacks. It's just that Con based attacks are a new thing. Until they release a rules specifically forbidding this, I think Dex or Con is viable.

 The text Storm Knight quoted Does specify that STR can be replaced by DEX. So by raw CON attacks are not changed by the Martial Arts Feature. At any table I run I would probably allow using Dex (I can't imagine it being more than a 3 damage swing either way since tanking your CON would get you killed stupid fast)

"You can use Dexterity instead of Strength for the attack and damage rolls of your unarmed strikes and monk weapons."

Even though the bite can't be DEX, it's still interesting to have a monk that can attack purely with CON... Maybe dip 1 level into barbarian to get CON to AC, then take a subclass that doesn't rely much on WIS? Shadow would work, and fit well with a dhampir.

Or Cobalt Soul? Really provides a different perspective on Extract Aspects. "This guy tastes like he's weak to fire."

The real answer is to disallow the dhampir because its bite will always refill about 1/3 or 1/2 the hp of the fighter's second wind if the dhampir is a monk, without any action economy cost and a higher amount of usage. God help you if the dhampir is a paladin - a second level non-crit smite will heal for a little under a level 20 fighter's second wind. 

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The real answer is to disallow the dhampir because its bite will always refill about 1/3 or 1/2 the hp of the fighter's second wind if the dhampir is a monk, without any action economy cost and a higher amount of usage. God help you if the dhampir is a paladin - a second level non-crit smite will heal for a little under a level 20 fighter's second wind. 

 Yeah, if this published like this I'd have the secondary effects only count the base die+con, so monk would probably still get the d10 + con at high level, but no hex + smite + sneak attack madness.

If someone complained about only monks getting the boost I'd probably shrug and ask the monk to roll a separate d4 for the heal

Edit: I guess sneak isn't an issue since bite isn't finesse but the rest stands

Thankfully, sneak attack doesn't apply because it isn't a finesse weapon. Hexblade is ridiculous too with this, you can make your fangs your hex weapon and then take elven accuracy and now you're critting on 47% of your turns at 5th level. After 5th level, take 2 level in paladin and then back to hexblade. Then go to 14th level hexblade because at 14th level the hexblade's once per short rest feature essentially becomes at-will if you have a few caged rats.

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Thankfully, sneak attack doesn't apply because it isn't a finesse weapon. Hexblade is ridiculous too with this, you can make your fangs your hex weapon and then take elven accuracy and now you're critting on 47% of your turns at 5th level. After 5th level, take 2 level in paladin and then back to hexblade. Then go to 14th level hexblade because at 14th level the hexblade's once per short rest feature essentially becomes at-will if you have a few caged rats.

 Hexblade still needs to use con to attack for the same reason monks can't use dex for the bite, so no elven accuracy. (The feature says use Cha instead of str or dex specifically)

From those who got early access to the final product, it looks like the healing from the bite is limited to the piercing damage done. This prevents hex and smites from pumping up the damage, while martial arts, hexblade's curse, favored foe and hunter's mark would still work. All in all, you can still focus on it but the biggest exploits got cut.

The new book restricts the healing to the piercing damage dealt by the bite. I still think the spirit of Monk weapons and dedicated weapon allows you to add your DEX mod instead of any other ability score. To my knowledge this is the first simple weapon to use CON, but I think it's intended that a monk can use DEX with any monk weapon. I suppose if a DM allows you to use your martial arts die BUT requires you to add CON to damage, that's a decent compromise. But their really just encouraging a player to build a Monk with way more HP and does more damage with it's bite... which sounds fun anyway actually...

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The new book restricts the healing to the piercing damage dealt by the bite. I still think the spirit of Monk weapons and dedicated weapon allows you to add your DEX mod instead of any other ability score. To my knowledge this is the first simple weapon to use CON, but I think it's intended that a monk can use DEX with any monk weapon. I suppose if a DM allows you to use your martial arts die BUT requires you to add CON to damage, that's a decent compromise. But their really just encouraging a player to build a Monk with way more HP and does more damage with it's bite... which sounds fun anyway actually...

 Yeah, my comments are based on RAW. Like i said above I'd probably let someone sub dex for the con attack at my table anyway, its unlikely to be more than a 1 or 2 damage difference because what mele dumps Con? ;)

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The new book restricts the healing to the piercing damage dealt by the bite. I still think the spirit of Monk weapons and dedicated weapon allows you to add your DEX mod instead of any other ability score. To my knowledge this is the first simple weapon to use CON, but I think it's intended that a monk can use DEX with any monk weapon. I suppose if a DM allows you to use your martial arts die BUT requires you to add CON to damage, that's a decent compromise. But their really just encouraging a player to build a Monk with way more HP and does more damage with it's bite... which sounds fun anyway actually...

 Yeah, my comments are based on RAW. Like i said above I'd probably let someone sub dex for the con attack at my table anyway, its unlikely to be more than a 1 or 2 damage difference because what mele dumps Con? ;)

 Yeah honestly it's not some damage massive boost, but it makes the player feel like they're hacking the system.

I don't recall if it's been said, but the bite is 100% a candidate for Kensei Weapon.

yeah even monks using it  have issues.  it isn't magical unless your a kensei and your features that give you bonus action attacks are limited to unarmed strikes so you'll have to use dex or strength sometime

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Even though the bite can't be DEX, it's still interesting to have a monk that can attack purely with CON... Maybe dip 1 level into barbarian to get CON to AC, then take a subclass that doesn't rely much on WIS? Shadow would work, and fit well with a dhampir.

Or Cobalt Soul? Really provides a different perspective on Extract Aspects. "This guy tastes like he's weak to fire."

 the last part is just hillrious 

so can you use your fangs as a kensei weapon and use agile parry with them?  what if you grab onto them with one hand?