A tome warlock can pick this cantrip (sapping sting), but a death domain cleric can't. Both get the option to pick cantrips from any spell list (death domain can only pick necromancy, but this one is classified as necromancy). I don't see any wording that would explain why one can over the other. Am I missing anything? Does it have to do with the necromancy classification?
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Upon further investigation it looks like its an error in how the feature is coded. It has the necromancy cantrips hard coded as the options because there isn't a spell school filter option.
You can fix this yourself in the short term by making a copy of the death domain and editing the Reaper spells feature like below
The Arcana Domain Cleric’s Arcane Initiate feature specifies “two cantrips of your choice from the wizard spell list.” Sapping Sting is not on the Wizard Spell List, only on the Chronurgy and Graviturgy spell lists.
Hello, related to this I have made a homebrew feat that should allow me to pick any cantrip to represent that function of the Artificer's All Purpose Tool item, I have selected every class' cantrips to be available, but I cannot select Sapping Sting
Hello, related to this I have made a homebrew feat that should allow me to pick any cantrip to represent that function of the Artificer's All Purpose Tool item, I have selected every class' cantrips to be available, but I cannot select Sapping Sting
Hello, related to this I have made a homebrew feat that should allow me to pick any cantrip to represent that function of the Artificer's All Purpose Tool item, I have selected every class' cantrips to be available, but I cannot select Sapping Sting
It doesn't look like Sapping Sting is on the Wizard list, it's specifically given to the Chronurgy & Graviturgy schools.
correct. The spells from EGtW are the only ones in 5e that do not appear on any base class list, only those two subclasses.
Not quite, there's one other spell. Can you guess what it is?
It's Encode Thoughts from Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica. It appears on no spell list, not even a subclass. It's only available from the Dimir background.
DDB has to put it on the Wizard spell list because all spells need a list to function in the system, and DDB can't 'make up' a spell list for that one spell
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Well then that's just bad site design. Considering D&D Beyond's solution to pretty much everything is "just homebrew it" seems like a pretty poor decision to make it harder through dumb decisions like this.
Well then that's just bad site design. Considering D&D Beyond's solution to pretty much everything is "just homebrew it" seems like a pretty poor decision to make it harder through dumb decisions like this.
First of all, those decisions don’t get made by DDB. They get made by an entirely different company names WotC who publishes D&D. They don’t own this website. However the company that does own this website has to follow WotC’s rules. And WotC decided those Dunamancy spells do not belong on any of the official base class spell lists.
It's Encode Thoughts from Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica. It appears on no spell list, not even a subclass. It's only available from the Dimir background.
DDB has to put it on the Wizard spell list because all spells need a list to function in the system, and DDB can't 'make up' a spell list for that one spell
I had forgotten that. But that criterium is all DDB’s thing. You could change the requirements to not force a spell list.
Hello, related to this I have made a homebrew feat that should allow me to pick any cantrip to represent that function of the Artificer's All Purpose Tool item, I have selected every class' cantrips to be available, but I cannot select Sapping Sting
Given the conversation, if your DM thinks it's fine to consider "cantrip from any class's spell list" to mean "any cantrip", you could leave the Spell Class field blank, and it would give you all the cantrips to pick from.
(By the way thanks for mentioning the homebrew idea, it inspired me to make a feat for the daily wizard cantrip I get from a Hat of Wizardry!)
If you're following RAW, it's not eligible for Magic Initiate. If your DM is fine with you taking the spell, then you make a homebrew copy of the spell, and set it for 'available for class(es): wizard' then you should be able to select that homebrew version.
A tome warlock can pick this cantrip (sapping sting), but a death domain cleric can't. Both get the option to pick cantrips from any spell list (death domain can only pick necromancy, but this one is classified as necromancy). I don't see any wording that would explain why one can over the other. Am I missing anything? Does it have to do with the necromancy classification?
Thanks for any help, hope you all have a nice day.
I cannot pick sapping sting either. Wording seems like it should be a valid choice.
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Upon further investigation it looks like its an error in how the feature is coded. It has the necromancy cantrips hard coded as the options because there isn't a spell school filter option.
You can fix this yourself in the short term by making a copy of the death domain and editing the Reaper spells feature like below
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D&D Beyond FoundersHuh, wow .... I totally missed that Death Domain feature when we added Explorer's Guide to Wildemount, sorry!
I've just updated the reaper feature on the official Death Domain subclass, so it now includes Sapping Sting.
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Could this spell also be added for the Arcana Cleric of the Luxon?
That sounds like a private homebrew. There were no cleric subclasses released in the Wildemount book.
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The Arcana Domain Cleric’s Arcane Initiate feature specifies “two cantrips of your choice from the wizard spell list.” Sapping Sting is not on the Wizard Spell List, only on the Chronurgy and Graviturgy spell lists.
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That would be correct, the death cleric is the the DMG.
I have a 20 in charisma but I have disadvantage on every roll.
Hello, related to this I have made a homebrew feat that should allow me to pick any cantrip to represent that function of the Artificer's All Purpose Tool item, I have selected every class' cantrips to be available, but I cannot select Sapping Sting
It doesn't look like Sapping Sting is on the Wizard list, it's specifically given to the Chronurgy & Graviturgy schools.
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correct. The spells from EGtW are the only ones in 5e that do not appear on any base class list, only those two subclasses.
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Not quite, there's one other spell. Can you guess what it is?
It's Encode Thoughts from Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica. It appears on no spell list, not even a subclass. It's only available from the Dimir background.
DDB has to put it on the Wizard spell list because all spells need a list to function in the system, and DDB can't 'make up' a spell list for that one spell
Well then that's just bad site design. Considering D&D Beyond's solution to pretty much everything is "just homebrew it" seems like a pretty poor decision to make it harder through dumb decisions like this.
First of all, those decisions don’t get made by DDB. They get made by an entirely different company names WotC who publishes D&D. They don’t own this website. However the company that does own this website has to follow WotC’s rules. And WotC decided those Dunamancy spells do not belong on any of the official base class spell lists.
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I had forgotten that. But that criterium is all DDB’s thing. You could change the requirements to not force a spell list.
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Given the conversation, if your DM thinks it's fine to consider "cantrip from any class's spell list" to mean "any cantrip", you could leave the Spell Class field blank, and it would give you all the cantrips to pick from.
(By the way thanks for mentioning the homebrew idea, it inspired me to make a feat for the daily wizard cantrip I get from a Hat of Wizardry!)
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This was the answer I needed and also feared. Thank you
Is there a way to fix this for people wanting to take the spell with the Magic Initiate feat?
If you're following RAW, it's not eligible for Magic Initiate. If your DM is fine with you taking the spell, then you make a homebrew copy of the spell, and set it for 'available for class(es): wizard' then you should be able to select that homebrew version.
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