2 physical things are not the same as one physical and one digital, you muddy the waters by making an analogy that's so obtuse.
Okay, then how about this analogy for you then. Penguin Books publishes a book and you go to Amazon/Barnes&Nobel/anywhere you please and purchase a copy of that book. Does that automatically entitle you to a free e-reader copy of the book too from Apple/Kindle/anywhere you please? Now I have specifically used books as a metaphors, and listed several options of where to purchase including “anywhere you please.” Is that an “acute” enough analogy for ya chief?
I'd also ask why I can only buy xbox games from gamestop and playstation games from amazon, ever so gracious of you to wait.
Never said that was the case. If it makes it easier for you, then the playstation version was from GameStop and the X-Box version is from Amazon. It makes no difference to the argument. The point is purchasing to different formats of the same product from two different retailers. If you cannot understand that then there is no hope of you understanding why buying “format 1” from retailer X does not entitle you to also receive a free copy of “format 2” from retailer Y.
Also doesn't take money out of anyone's pocket as digital sales don't cease to exist.
But it does, because DDB has to pay WotC for every license they grant. So if people purchase the print version and DDB has to give out a free license to the info, then the retailer of the print copy made money, WotC made money, DDB made no money, and they still have to pay WotC for the license. So your idea quite literally means taking money out away from DDB.
Sure some guy further up posted a great explanation of why "they deserve to get paid" is not a reasonable excuse.
You even called it an “excuse” as if the idea of DDB deserving to make money by selling a product is unreasonable.
Much better, I knew you had it in you big guy, but my argument is around the fact that: you are buying sourcebooks for use in a game system, the game system offers you an online tool but locks you out of using stuff you've already paid for in the end I just don't think we'll agree on this point and I know full well arguing isn't going to change either of our opinions so I'm going to check out on this.
I do however question your reading comprehension, as I said "they deserve to get paid" is not reasonable excuse for paying twice for the same ruleset. Nowhere did I say the deserve to not get paid, perhaps instead of rushing to the defence of DDB, maybe consider the issue I have could be with WotC choosing this particular avenue and to be so tightfisted. Also never said DDB don't deserve to make money by selling a product. Not even implied that. I love that I can buy digital versions of DnD stuff my issue is in the paying twice. Schedule that intervention of yours.
but my argument is around the fact that: you are buying sourcebooks for use in a game system, the game system offers you an online tool but locks you out of using stuff you've already paid for
The problem with this is: two different companies.
You've paid Wizards of the Coast for a sourcebook for use in D&D5E. Wizards of the Coast does not offer an online tool.
DnDBeyond, a separate company, has paid WotC a licensing fee to be allowed to offer an Online Tool.
...
Note, again: D&DBeyond paid Wizards to be able to operate this service. They likely also have to pay a percentage of all their gross revenues to Wizards as ongoing licensing fees. So, of I were in charge of Beyond, I would absolutely not want Wizards offering any discounts or coupons. I don't expect the margin of profit is especially high for Beyond, as it is; those coupons would turn a narrow margin of profit, into a narrow margin of loss.
Much better, I knew you had it in you big guy, but my argument is around the fact that: you are buying sourcebooks for use in a game system, the game system offers you an online tool but locks you out of using stuff you've already paid for in the end I just don't think we'll agree on this point and I know full well arguing isn't going to change either of our opinions so I'm going to check out on this.
I do however question your reading comprehension, as I said "they deserve to get paid" is not reasonable excuse for paying twice for the same ruleset. Nowhere did I say the deserve to not get paid, perhaps instead of rushing to the defence of DDB, maybe consider the issue I have could be with WotC choosing this particular avenue and to be so tightfisted. Also never said DDB don't deserve to make money by selling a product. Not even implied that. I love that I can buy digital versions of DnD stuff my issue is in the paying twice. Schedule that intervention of yours.
Well then, the answer is simple. Don’t buy dead trees. The issue you’re having is that you think the game system offers this online tool. What you fail to realize is that it doesn’t. This isn’t an online tool it is an online bookstore.
You can buy character sheet options individually as needed. Or just recreate the options yourself entirely for free.
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I mean... are they not getting anything from the physical books?
No, this website receives absolutely nothing from the sale of physical books. This website is owned and operated by a completely different company. This website is an online retailer, like Amazon, they just only sell digital D&D stuff.
I honestly think at this point we're dealing with trolls. There's no way this many people keep coming here to make the same argument after multiple posts pointing out that DDB is a different company from WotC. I am unsubbing from the thread so I don't have to see the obtuseness any more.
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"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
There are different costs involved with preparing a book to be published and preparing a book to be hosted online.
Mainly
- Server costs. DDB provides the book you purchased to you at no extra cost. So the entirety of their server hosting for the lifetime you use their site must be covered by the $30 or whatever you spend on the book plus whatever pittance they get from ads.
- Digitizing. Adding tool tips and links isn't free. Of course they have internal tools that help with this, but those cost money to develop that they need to recoup.
If you buy an e-book from Amazon you can't get a physical copy from Barnes and Noble. The same logic applies here.
Drop that stick and step away from the dead horse.
The books have been paid for in one format and not the other. If you go into Books-A-Million and buy your favorite author's new book, do you immediately get to listen to it on Audible? No. Think about that and realize how wrong you are for your statement.
You have bought physical copies of a book from one retailer. That does not entitle you digital copies of the same media from a completely different company. You are buying two separate pieces of content that share the same information from two different sources and two different companies.
But what if the internet shuts down, the physical copy will always be there. The internet is unreliable, books are reliable. Which is why we had books a lot longer than internet. I enjoy reading Dante's Purgatory and Paradise (and inferno) but reading it online requires straining.
This website is not owned by the same company that publishes D&D. This website is a bookstore. They sell books. That’s their job, and how they make money. Get over it.
But what if the internet shuts down, the physical copy will always be there. The internet is unreliable, books are reliable. Which is why we had books a lot longer than internet. I enjoy reading Dante's Purgatory and Paradise (and inferno) but reading it online requires straining.
Trust me, if the internet shuts down you'll have other worries than a couple of RPG books.
That said, you can download the digital books to your own computer. If you're paranoid you can even arrange a cloud-based backup of said computer, storing the data in five different server centers around the globe. How many "reliable" books can survive your house burning down?
... or perhaps more realistic: how many survive a bottle of lemonade poured over them during a game session? :D
But what if the internet shuts down, the physical copy will always be there. The internet is unreliable, books are reliable. Which is why we had books a lot longer than internet. I enjoy reading Dante's Purgatory and Paradise (and inferno) but reading it online requires straining.
Trust me, if the internet shuts down you'll have other worries than a couple of RPG books.
That said, you can download the digital books to your own computer. If you're paranoid you can even arrange a cloud-based backup of said computer, storing the data in five different server centers around the globe. How many "reliable" books can survive your house burning down?
... or perhaps more realistic: how many survive a bottle of lemonade poured over them during a game session? :D
Yeah, if the entire internet crashes there will be much more important things to worry about, like potable water and live ammunition.
If your local internet or WiFi goes down, any books purchased from DDB can be accessed offline using the DDB compendium app.
For us it was always a pot of coffee at the diner that killed books.
Well think about it this way, I already redeemed a code from the Icespire peak box and I got the digital series of the icespire peak adventures. I could not get it linked to my other devices regardless of the account I had it saved on. I can only access it on this device only.
Well think about it this way, I already reddeemed a code from the Icespire peak box and I got the digital series of
Yes, because WotC overcharged you for it in the first place so that they could give some of the money to DDB to make you feel like you got a deal. Either that or WotC ate the losses as a specific promotion or they contractually obligated DDB to eat those losses in exchange for the licensing agreement.
Well think about it this way, I already reddeemed a code from the Icespire peak box and I got the digital series of
Yes, because WotC overcharged you for it in the first place so that they could give some of the money to DDB to make you feel like you got a deal. Either that or WotC ate the losses as a specific promotion or they contractually obligated DDB to eat those losses in exchange for the licensing agreement.
Correct. That is what happened. I think I'm going to quit responding to these threads. This subject has become like a forum game of Whack a Troll.
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Much better, I knew you had it in you big guy,
but my argument is around the fact that: you are buying sourcebooks for use in a game system, the game system offers you an online tool but locks you out of using stuff you've already paid forin the end I just don't think we'll agree on this point and I know full well arguing isn't going to change either of our opinions so I'm going to check out on this.I do however question your reading comprehension, as I said "they deserve to get paid" is not reasonable excuse for paying twice for the same ruleset. Nowhere did I say the deserve to not get paid, perhaps instead of rushing to the defence of DDB, maybe consider the issue I have could be with WotC choosing this particular avenue and to be so tightfisted. Also never said DDB don't deserve to make money by selling a product. Not even implied that. I love that I can buy digital versions of DnD stuff my issue is in the paying twice. Schedule that intervention of yours.
The problem with this is: two different companies.
You've paid Wizards of the Coast for a sourcebook for use in D&D5E. Wizards of the Coast does not offer an online tool.
DnDBeyond, a separate company, has paid WotC a licensing fee to be allowed to offer an Online Tool.
...
Note, again: D&DBeyond paid Wizards to be able to operate this service. They likely also have to pay a percentage of all their gross revenues to Wizards as ongoing licensing fees. So, of I were in charge of Beyond, I would absolutely not want Wizards offering any discounts or coupons. I don't expect the margin of profit is especially high for Beyond, as it is; those coupons would turn a narrow margin of profit, into a narrow margin of loss.
All of which is Business 101 stuff, really.
Well then, the answer is simple. Don’t buy dead trees. The issue you’re having is that you think the game system offers this online tool. What you fail to realize is that it doesn’t. This isn’t an online tool it is an online bookstore.
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But you don't have to pay twice for the rules.
You can buy character sheet options individually as needed. Or just recreate the options yourself entirely for free.
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I mean... are they not getting anything from the physical books?
No, this website receives absolutely nothing from the sale of physical books. This website is owned and operated by a completely different company. This website is an online retailer, like Amazon, they just only sell digital D&D stuff.
Creating Epic Boons on DDB
DDB Buyers' Guide
Hardcovers, DDB & You
Content Troubleshooting
I honestly think at this point we're dealing with trolls. There's no way this many people keep coming here to make the same argument after multiple posts pointing out that DDB is a different company from WotC. I am unsubbing from the thread so I don't have to see the obtuseness any more.
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
No because the books have been paid for already
There are different costs involved with preparing a book to be published and preparing a book to be hosted online.
Mainly
- Server costs. DDB provides the book you purchased to you at no extra cost. So the entirety of their server hosting for the lifetime you use their site must be covered by the $30 or whatever you spend on the book plus whatever pittance they get from ads.
- Digitizing. Adding tool tips and links isn't free. Of course they have internal tools that help with this, but those cost money to develop that they need to recoup.
If you buy an e-book from Amazon you can't get a physical copy from Barnes and Noble. The same logic applies here.
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Drop that stick and step away from the dead horse.
The books have been paid for in one format and not the other. If you go into Books-A-Million and buy your favorite author's new book, do you immediately get to listen to it on Audible? No. Think about that and realize how wrong you are for your statement.
You have bought physical copies of a book from one retailer. That does not entitle you digital copies of the same media from a completely different company. You are buying two separate pieces of content that share the same information from two different sources and two different companies.
Agreed
But what if the internet shuts down, the physical copy will always be there. The internet is unreliable, books are reliable. Which is why we had books a lot longer than internet. I enjoy reading Dante's Purgatory and Paradise (and inferno) but reading it online requires straining.
Disagree
This website is not owned by the same company that publishes D&D. This website is a bookstore. They sell books. That’s their job, and how they make money. Get over it.
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DDB Buyers' Guide
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Trust me, if the internet shuts down you'll have other worries than a couple of RPG books.
That said, you can download the digital books to your own computer. If you're paranoid you can even arrange a cloud-based backup of said computer, storing the data in five different server centers around the globe. How many "reliable" books can survive your house burning down?
... or perhaps more realistic: how many survive a bottle of lemonade poured over them during a game session? :D
Yeah, if the entire internet crashes there will be much more important things to worry about, like potable water and live ammunition.
If your local internet or WiFi goes down, any books purchased from DDB can be accessed offline using the DDB compendium app.
For us it was always a pot of coffee at the diner that killed books.
Creating Epic Boons on DDB
DDB Buyers' Guide
Hardcovers, DDB & You
Content Troubleshooting
Take a look at Amazon. It is the same source and even they won't give you the kindle book and the physical book for free.
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Well think about it this way, I already redeemed a code from the Icespire peak box and I got the digital series of the icespire peak adventures. I could not get it linked to my other devices regardless of the account I had it saved on. I can only access it on this device only.
Yes, because WotC overcharged you for it in the first place so that they could give some of the money to DDB to make you feel like you got a deal. Either that or WotC ate the losses as a specific promotion or they contractually obligated DDB to eat those losses in exchange for the licensing agreement.
Creating Epic Boons on DDB
DDB Buyers' Guide
Hardcovers, DDB & You
Content Troubleshooting
Correct. That is what happened.
I think I'm going to quit responding to these threads. This subject has become like a forum game of Whack a Troll.