Or [conspiracy theory] maybe the next UA will in fact be 6e, and the reason why DDB isn't hosting UA anymore is because it's not clear Wizards is keeping the relationship with them [/conspiracy theory]. I don't really believe that, but I'll float it because it's Friday and maybe it'll turn the rumor mill into a GenCon weekend dynamo.
The collective loss of bananas would be so monumental that the impact to the commodities market would destabilize the global economy, and ecological impact to the banana producing nations of the world would would be so devistating that it might lead to the kinds of political upheaval that changes maps forever.
That's why I don't think there will be a true 6e for awhile. WotC is not eager to initiate another Edition War (heh. I didn't even notice this pun while writing it). They learned from their last blunder that ended up with them losing the seat for the "World's Best Roleplaying Game" (back when Pathfinder was outselling D&D 4e).
A soft reboot, maybe some massive erratas to the PHB, or a 10 Year Anniversary Edition reprint of the Core Rulebooks with updates akin to how TCoE does thing? Sure. That's fairly plausible. I could even see a 5.5e in name coming out relatively soon. But a whole new 6e? Nah. Not anytime within the next decade, unless WotC somehow manages to bungle things so badly that it's necessary. And that doesn't seem likely, due to the fact that D&D is getting more popular every day, even with the massively controversial things they've done recently (TCoE, making massive changes to the Ravenloft setting, more or less dropping alignment, leaning hard into Magic: the Gathering settings for book ideas, etc).
WotC is doing fine. D&D is selling more than ever. So long as that continues, 6e won't come. Kinda like "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", but "a profit today keeps the next edition away".
It is controversial, as you say, but if you look a little closer, we find the following (scores based off of majority of community I know of, not just minor vocals)
In 2017, we had:
XGtE (a rules book for everyone), Highly Regarded
TftYP (a mini campaign book for all types of DMs), Highly Regarded
ToA (a horror-comedy campaign book), Highly Regarded
In 2020, we had:
TCoE (a rules book for everyone but more niche than XGtE), Polarizing
RotF (a survival horror campaign book, once again also more niche than ToA), Highly Regarded
EGtW (a setting in a streamed world, very niche), Highly Regarded
MOoT (a MTG setting, debated among D&D Players but beloved by those who bought it), Well Thought Of
And in 2021, we've had:
FToD (a dragon book, extremely niche), so far Highly Regarded
WBtW (a children's faire, niche version of a promising idea), so far Polarizing
S:CoC (another MTG setting that was beloved by fans and far more niche than MOoT), so far Highly Regarded
CM (a far more niche version of TftYP), Highly Regarded
VRGtR (a horror setting, less niche but will count as more niche due to extensive changes from bad/troubling/unimportant lore), Reasonably Regarded
If we consider the fact that 2017 had three HR, 2020 (everyone's "Year of Worthlessness") has 2 HR and 1 WTO and only 1P, and 2021 has 3 HR, 1RR, and 1P, the "controversial things" are just WotC getting more niche, though they still have options at least once or twice a year for everyone, so complaints, while you can make them, are just bitterness. With +2 releases per year from everyone's fav. 2017, WotC is giving you as much as you would have had earlier.
Oh, I definitely agree with you that the more recent controversies are fairly minor and don't impact the numbers much because WotC still has the vast majority of players (mostly younger ones) that don't care one bit about whether or not the game gears more towards the younger fanbase. In fact, this direction is probably making them more money than before, not despite the controversial decisions, but largely because of them. They've been largely popular amongst the majority of the fanbase, even if a lot of the older players are not fond of them.
(I also disagree with the assertion that a dragon book is "niche". D&D has had a Draconomicon in nearly every single edition of D&D up until this point, and "dragons" is quite literally a part of the name of the hobby. Dragons could not be a less "niche" thing to have a book be based off of, IMO.)
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Yeah, new UA wouldn't be for any of the announced books, and I don't know if they want to put UA out there to distract from the hype cycle of the fall trifecta, so I'm thinking after Fizban's (which I feel out of the three would presumably be the biggest seller).
Or [conspiracy theory] maybe the next UA will in fact be 6e, and the reason why DDB isn't hosting UA anymore is because it's not clear Wizards is keeping the relationship with them [/conspiracy theory]. I don't really believe that, but I'll float it because it's Friday and maybe it'll turn the rumor mill into a GenCon weekend dynamo.
They (WoTC) have no (finacial) reason to bring out a 6e at this time. They're reaching audiences they haven't before, I'm seeing a lot of parents starting up games for their 10-12 year olds, because 5th is an easy system to manage and teach to children (this is no means a criticism).
That some of us would like more depth, and I'm one of them, does not diminish the success of the product. Switching now would be them shooting themselves in both feet.
They have brought out enough settings to publish out companion books for those settings, they can go and actualise/freshen up classes in Complete Class books and make them optional so not to upset the player base. They still have old campaign worlds they could bring out, but I don't think they will. For good or bad MtG has a lot of planes they still can bring into the DnD universe.
Youtuber Davvy Chappy commented in his History of Dungeons and Dragons video series that whenever a new edition gets rolled out, it's usually because of stuff that was going on behind the scenes, and so they probably won't be trying out a 6th Edition unless Hasbro gets bought out by the Thanos of entertainment.
Youtuber Davvy Chappy commented in his History of Dungeons and Dragons video series that whenever a new edition gets rolled out, it's usually because of stuff that was going on behind the scenes, and so they probably won't be trying out a 6th Edition unless Hasbro gets bought out by the Thanos of entertainment.
Youtuber Davvy Chappy commented in his History of Dungeons and Dragons video series that whenever a new edition gets rolled out, it's usually because of stuff that was going on behind the scenes, and so they probably won't be trying out a 6th Edition unless Hasbro gets bought out by the Thanos of entertainment.
You think Bezos would be interested?
Spare us! Jeff Bezos would make D&D into a hamburger RPG company that also sells rifles.
Yeah, new UA wouldn't be for any of the announced books, and I don't know if they want to put UA out there to distract from the hype cycle of the fall trifecta, so I'm thinking after Fizban's (which I feel out of the three would presumably be the biggest seller).
Or [conspiracy theory] maybe the next UA will in fact be 6e, and the reason why DDB isn't hosting UA anymore is because it's not clear Wizards is keeping the relationship with them [/conspiracy theory]. I don't really believe that, but I'll float it because it's Friday and maybe it'll turn the rumor mill into a GenCon weekend dynamo.
They (WoTC) have no (finacial) reason to bring out a 6e at this time. They're reaching audiences they haven't before, I'm seeing a lot of parents starting up games for their 10-12 year olds, because 5th is an easy system to manage and teach to children (this is no means a criticism).
That some of us would like more depth, and I'm one of them, does not diminish the success of the product. Switching now would be them shooting themselves in both feet.
They have brought out enough settings to publish out companion books for those settings, they can go and actualise/freshen up classes in Complete Class books and make them optional so not to upset the player base. They still have old campaign worlds they could bring out, but I don't think they will. For good or bad MtG has a lot of planes they still can bring into the DnD universe.
No I don't think 6e is around the corner.
I'm loving how my sardonic "conspiracy theory" tags and my "I don't really believe this but it would be fun to metastasize this rumor while GenCon's on" are getting ignored by folks who are using my post to put down their serious assessment against the plausibility of a 6E, it's not a GENCON riot, but it's amusing.
Youtuber Davvy Chappy commented in his History of Dungeons and Dragons video series that whenever a new edition gets rolled out, it's usually because of stuff that was going on behind the scenes, and so they probably won't be trying out a 6th Edition unless Hasbro gets bought out by the Thanos of entertainment.
You think Bezos would be interested?
Does not have to be that big in scale. What the Chappy vid is really pointing out (and Colville said something like this really recently during a live chat) is pay attention to who was attached to the development of an edition. Then watch where they go and watch who replaces them. It's more art than science in the analysis, but there is a metaphorical critical mass that can be reached on the brand management front that usually brings out an edition change.
But if you want to play guess the Oligarchy, most analyst would see Disney buying Hasbro before Amazon. I don't see that in the near future.
Youtuber Davvy Chappy commented in his History of Dungeons and Dragons video series that whenever a new edition gets rolled out, it's usually because of stuff that was going on behind the scenes, and so they probably won't be trying out a 6th Edition unless Hasbro gets bought out by the Thanos of entertainment.
You think Bezos would be interested?
Does not have to be that big in scale. What the Chappy vid is really pointing out (and Colville said something like this really recently during a live chat) is pay attention to who was attached to the development of an edition. Then watch where they go and watch who replaces them. It's more art than science in the analysis, but there is a metaphorical critical mass that can be reached on the brand management front that usually brings out an edition change.
But if you want to play guess the Oligarchy, most analyst would see Disney buying Hasbro before Amazon. I don't see that in the near future.
Hey, he said “bought out by the Thanos of entertainment,” not “bought out by the Asmodeus of entertainment.” (Why do you think I was so surprised they thought he would be interested? I thought it rather unlikely myself. But Disney…. 🤔)
Yeah, new UA wouldn't be for any of the announced books, and I don't know if they want to put UA out there to distract from the hype cycle of the fall trifecta, so I'm thinking after Fizban's (which I feel out of the three would presumably be the biggest seller).
Or [conspiracy theory] maybe the next UA will in fact be 6e, and the reason why DDB isn't hosting UA anymore is because it's not clear Wizards is keeping the relationship with them [/conspiracy theory]. I don't really believe that, but I'll float it because it's Friday and maybe it'll turn the rumor mill into a GenCon weekend dynamo.
They (WoTC) have no (finacial) reason to bring out a 6e at this time. They're reaching audiences they haven't before, I'm seeing a lot of parents starting up games for their 10-12 year olds, because 5th is an easy system to manage and teach to children (this is no means a criticism).
That some of us would like more depth, and I'm one of them, does not diminish the success of the product. Switching now would be them shooting themselves in both feet.
They have brought out enough settings to publish out companion books for those settings, they can go and actualise/freshen up classes in Complete Class books and make them optional so not to upset the player base. They still have old campaign worlds they could bring out, but I don't think they will. For good or bad MtG has a lot of planes they still can bring into the DnD universe.
No I don't think 6e is around the corner.
I'm loving how my sardonic "conspiracy theory" tags and my "I don't really believe this but it would be fun to metastasize this rumor while GenCon's on" are getting ignored by folks who are using my post to put down their serious assessment against the plausibility of a 6E, it's not a GENCON riot, but it's amusing.
Youtuber Davvy Chappy commented in his History of Dungeons and Dragons video series that whenever a new edition gets rolled out, it's usually because of stuff that was going on behind the scenes, and so they probably won't be trying out a 6th Edition unless Hasbro gets bought out by the Thanos of entertainment.
You think Bezos would be interested?
Does not have to be that big in scale. What the Chappy vid is really pointing out (and Colville said something like this really recently during a live chat) is pay attention to who was attached to the development of an edition. Then watch where they go and watch who replaces them. It's more art than science in the analysis, but there is a metaphorical critical mass that can be reached on the brand management front that usually brings out an edition change.
But if you want to play guess the Oligarchy, most analyst would see Disney buying Hasbro before Amazon. I don't see that in the near future.
Because the same thing has been going on for a few weeks now in FB groups about DnD?
Yeah, new UA wouldn't be for any of the announced books, and I don't know if they want to put UA out there to distract from the hype cycle of the fall trifecta, so I'm thinking after Fizban's (which I feel out of the three would presumably be the biggest seller).
Or [conspiracy theory] maybe the next UA will in fact be 6e, and the reason why DDB isn't hosting UA anymore is because it's not clear Wizards is keeping the relationship with them [/conspiracy theory]. I don't really believe that, but I'll float it because it's Friday and maybe it'll turn the rumor mill into a GenCon weekend dynamo.
They (WoTC) have no (finacial) reason to bring out a 6e at this time. They're reaching audiences they haven't before, I'm seeing a lot of parents starting up games for their 10-12 year olds, because 5th is an easy system to manage and teach to children (this is no means a criticism).
That some of us would like more depth, and I'm one of them, does not diminish the success of the product. Switching now would be them shooting themselves in both feet.
They have brought out enough settings to publish out companion books for those settings, they can go and actualise/freshen up classes in Complete Class books and make them optional so not to upset the player base. They still have old campaign worlds they could bring out, but I don't think they will. For good or bad MtG has a lot of planes they still can bring into the DnD universe.
No I don't think 6e is around the corner.
I'm loving how my sardonic "conspiracy theory" tags and my "I don't really believe this but it would be fun to metastasize this rumor while GenCon's on" are getting ignored by folks who are using my post to put down their serious assessment against the plausibility of a 6E, it's not a GENCON riot, but it's amusing.
Youtuber Davvy Chappy commented in his History of Dungeons and Dragons video series that whenever a new edition gets rolled out, it's usually because of stuff that was going on behind the scenes, and so they probably won't be trying out a 6th Edition unless Hasbro gets bought out by the Thanos of entertainment.
You think Bezos would be interested?
Does not have to be that big in scale. What the Chappy vid is really pointing out (and Colville said something like this really recently during a live chat) is pay attention to who was attached to the development of an edition. Then watch where they go and watch who replaces them. It's more art than science in the analysis, but there is a metaphorical critical mass that can be reached on the brand management front that usually brings out an edition change.
But if you want to play guess the Oligarchy, most analyst would see Disney buying Hasbro before Amazon. I don't see that in the near future.
Because the same thing has been going on for a few weeks now in FB groups about DnD?
Really? Folks are saying DDB dropped UA because all future UA is 6e oriented and DDB hasn't secured their "premier rights or whatever?" Not a facebooker, but would love to see the link. I figured if it was as excessive as you're reporting, it would have shown up in one of the channels I actually do pay attention to besides Facebook. I don't need to be an innovator though in my perch pondering beyond the Infinite, I'm just as happy to be on the pulse of a hysterical meme and treating it as the joke it likely is.
Regardless of whatever proxy media frustration you're having with Facebook, it's still clear the post was in jest. So I'm sorry you can't parse fun from the serious discussions you're being exposed to in other forums. Why so serious? :D
They've been largely popular amongst the majority of the fanbase, even if a lot of the older players are not fond of them.
Missed this. Me, old? I'm in the 52% below 30, Jeff Bezos could legally be my Grandfather, and I've been doing D&D only since the gap between the EGtW announcement and the MOoT, even my homebrew thread is only slightly older than Candlekeep Mysteries. I'm not old, I just have "Strong tastes" (shuttup, Fizban, you smell).
They've been largely popular amongst the majority of the fanbase, even if a lot of the older players are not fond of them.
Missed this. Me, old? I'm in the 52% below 30, Jeff Bezos could legally be my Grandfather, and I've been doing D&D only since the gap between the EGtW announcement and the MOoT, even my homebrew thread is only slightly older than Candlekeep Mysteries. I'm not old, I just have "Strong tastes" (shuttup, Fizban, you smell).
I wasn't referring to you specifically at all. Just pointing out that most of the "controversial decisions" that WotC has chosen for D&D lately are largely only unpopular with older players, who are also a fairly small part of the community.
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I wasn't referring to you specifically at all. Just pointing out that most of the "controversial decisions" that WotC has chosen for D&D lately are largely only unpopular with older players, who are also a fairly small part of the community.
Does that mean we don’t count?!? If it wasn’t for us older players keeping things going, there wouldn’t ba a 5th edition.
I wasn't referring to you specifically at all. Just pointing out that most of the "controversial decisions" that WotC has chosen for D&D lately are largely only unpopular with older players, who are also a fairly small part of the community.
Does that mean we don’t count?!? If it wasn’t for us older players keeping things going, there wouldn’t ba a 5th edition.
That's as accurate as old people keeping superheroes going. Sure, people who are old now are the ones who created the original, but it is also old people who most often dislike the current versions.
I wasn't referring to you specifically at all. Just pointing out that most of the "controversial decisions" that WotC has chosen for D&D lately are largely only unpopular with older players, who are also a fairly small part of the community.
Does that mean we don’t count?!? If it wasn’t for us older players keeping things going, there wouldn’t ba a 5th edition.
Never said that. And as I've said before in previous threads, I'm grateful to the older generations for keeping D&D alive long enough for me to be able to play it and especially towards those that had to go through the Satanic Panic. I just don't think that the older generations should be the authority as to what D&D is or isn't anymore. That's WotC's job. And there are also plenty of older players that like the newer changes.
The newer players will be around longer, have more long-term money to spend on D&D products, are producing more D&D media that gives WotC more publicity and brings in more newer players (Stranger Things, Critical Role, etc), and have more/newer sources of inspiration for characters and campaigns (anime, for instance). That's why WotC is prioritizing them.
And the older players have also gotten things that they've wanted. D&D 5e exists because the older players overwhelmingly dropped their support for D&D in the 4e era (continuing to play 3.5 or moving to Pathfinder 1e). The push to go back to the more traditional roots of D&D that is the core of D&D 5e is because of WotC wanting to appease older players. And that made D&D 5e more popular than any previous edition, more mainstream than ever, and more profitable than ever. The core parts of the game that the older players love so much are still a part of D&D 5e, even if they're gradually moving away from the ones that they think the game would be better without (always evil races, racial ability score increases, etc). Those are just minor things that have been/are being dropped, while the core spirit of D&D remains the same.
And they still want to appease older players. Why else would they vow to bring back 3 traditional D&D settings to 5e through 2021 and 2022? The existence of Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft is overwhelmingly because WotC wants to please older fans and keep them buying their stuff. The next two classic setting books that they publish (likely to be Planescape and Dark Sun) are also going to serve that same purpose.
Yes, some lore has changed (as happens when editions progress), some parts of races have been dropped, and some non-standard D&D settings have been published (Theros, Ravnica, next Strixhaven and possibly the Domains of Delight), but the older fanbase still matters. Their presence is still influencing the products that WotC publishes, the storylines that they make, and the way that they do business as a whole. It's just gradually becoming less and less important as the fanbase becomes younger and younger (due to the combined increase in newer players thanks to 5e's popularity and the fact that the older players are eventually going to stop giving WotC more money for one reason or another).
To me, that doesn't sound at all like "you don't count" or not being grateful for the existence of D&D. It just sounds like how the world (and for-profit businesses) works.
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I will debate Planescape and Dark Sun. Dark Sun is a very maybe, given the Psionics rules backlash on all 5e versions (Mystic = hated, Tasha's = hated, UA = hated), it's unlikely that it will come around, especially giving the popularity of Eberron which does Dark Sun more universally friendly and the racism inherent in the original setting.
Nonetheless, I still think there is a high chance Dark Sun is one of the ones.
Planescape is more... Spelljammer and Planescape will be nodded at. They will have refrences. But they're not very 5E beyond refrences, they're not "core" enough. I reckon we'll see Dragonlance or Greyhawk, and honestly I'd prefer the latter.
Planescape is more... Spelljammer and Planescape will be nodded at. They will have refrences. But they're not very 5E beyond refrences, they're not "core" enough. I reckon we'll see Dragonlance or Greyhawk, and honestly I'd prefer the latter.
I really dig the Planescape concept…I think it has the greatest potential for a mind-blowing sort of sourcebook / adventure.
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It is controversial, as you say, but if you look a little closer, we find the following (scores based off of majority of community I know of, not just minor vocals)
In 2017, we had:
In 2020, we had:
And in 2021, we've had:
If we consider the fact that 2017 had three HR, 2020 (everyone's "Year of Worthlessness") has 2 HR and 1 WTO and only 1P, and 2021 has 3 HR, 1RR, and 1P, the "controversial things" are just WotC getting more niche, though they still have options at least once or twice a year for everyone, so complaints, while you can make them, are just bitterness. With +2 releases per year from everyone's fav. 2017, WotC is giving you as much as you would have had earlier.
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Oh, I definitely agree with you that the more recent controversies are fairly minor and don't impact the numbers much because WotC still has the vast majority of players (mostly younger ones) that don't care one bit about whether or not the game gears more towards the younger fanbase. In fact, this direction is probably making them more money than before, not despite the controversial decisions, but largely because of them. They've been largely popular amongst the majority of the fanbase, even if a lot of the older players are not fond of them.
(I also disagree with the assertion that a dragon book is "niche". D&D has had a Draconomicon in nearly every single edition of D&D up until this point, and "dragons" is quite literally a part of the name of the hobby. Dragons could not be a less "niche" thing to have a book be based off of, IMO.)
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They (WoTC) have no (finacial) reason to bring out a 6e at this time. They're reaching audiences they haven't before, I'm seeing a lot of parents starting up games for their 10-12 year olds, because 5th is an easy system to manage and teach to children (this is no means a criticism).
That some of us would like more depth, and I'm one of them, does not diminish the success of the product. Switching now would be them shooting themselves in both feet.
They have brought out enough settings to publish out companion books for those settings, they can go and actualise/freshen up classes in Complete Class books and make them optional so not to upset the player base. They still have old campaign worlds they could bring out, but I don't think they will. For good or bad MtG has a lot of planes they still can bring into the DnD universe.
No I don't think 6e is around the corner.
Youtuber Davvy Chappy commented in his History of Dungeons and Dragons video series that whenever a new edition gets rolled out, it's usually because of stuff that was going on behind the scenes, and so they probably won't be trying out a 6th Edition unless Hasbro gets bought out by the Thanos of entertainment.
You think Bezos would be interested?
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Spare us! Jeff Bezos would make D&D into a hamburger RPG company that also sells rifles.
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I'm loving how my sardonic "conspiracy theory" tags and my "I don't really believe this but it would be fun to metastasize this rumor while GenCon's on" are getting ignored by folks who are using my post to put down their serious assessment against the plausibility of a 6E, it's not a GENCON riot, but it's amusing.
Does not have to be that big in scale. What the Chappy vid is really pointing out (and Colville said something like this really recently during a live chat) is pay attention to who was attached to the development of an edition. Then watch where they go and watch who replaces them. It's more art than science in the analysis, but there is a metaphorical critical mass that can be reached on the brand management front that usually brings out an edition change.
But if you want to play guess the Oligarchy, most analyst would see Disney buying Hasbro before Amazon. I don't see that in the near future.
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Hey, he said “bought out by the Thanos of entertainment,” not “bought out by the Asmodeus of entertainment.” (Why do you think I was so surprised they thought he would be interested? I thought it rather unlikely myself. But Disney…. 🤔)
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But Disney owns Thanos ;). I wonder if that power makes Disney Lady Death?
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Because the same thing has been going on for a few weeks now in FB groups about DnD?
Really? Folks are saying DDB dropped UA because all future UA is 6e oriented and DDB hasn't secured their "premier rights or whatever?" Not a facebooker, but would love to see the link. I figured if it was as excessive as you're reporting, it would have shown up in one of the channels I actually do pay attention to besides Facebook. I don't need to be an innovator though in my perch pondering beyond the Infinite, I'm just as happy to be on the pulse of a hysterical meme and treating it as the joke it likely is.
Regardless of whatever proxy media frustration you're having with Facebook, it's still clear the post was in jest. So I'm sorry you can't parse fun from the serious discussions you're being exposed to in other forums. Why so serious? :D
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Bah humbug.
Missed this. Me, old? I'm in the 52% below 30, Jeff Bezos could legally be my Grandfather, and I've been doing D&D only since the gap between the EGtW announcement and the MOoT, even my homebrew thread is only slightly older than Candlekeep Mysteries. I'm not old, I just have "Strong tastes" (shuttup, Fizban, you smell).
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I wasn't referring to you specifically at all. Just pointing out that most of the "controversial decisions" that WotC has chosen for D&D lately are largely only unpopular with older players, who are also a fairly small part of the community.
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Does that mean we don’t count?!? If it wasn’t for us older players keeping things going, there wouldn’t ba a 5th edition.
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That's as accurate as old people keeping superheroes going. Sure, people who are old now are the ones who created the original, but it is also old people who most often dislike the current versions.
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Never said that. And as I've said before in previous threads, I'm grateful to the older generations for keeping D&D alive long enough for me to be able to play it and especially towards those that had to go through the Satanic Panic. I just don't think that the older generations should be the authority as to what D&D is or isn't anymore. That's WotC's job. And there are also plenty of older players that like the newer changes.
The newer players will be around longer, have more long-term money to spend on D&D products, are producing more D&D media that gives WotC more publicity and brings in more newer players (Stranger Things, Critical Role, etc), and have more/newer sources of inspiration for characters and campaigns (anime, for instance). That's why WotC is prioritizing them.
And the older players have also gotten things that they've wanted. D&D 5e exists because the older players overwhelmingly dropped their support for D&D in the 4e era (continuing to play 3.5 or moving to Pathfinder 1e). The push to go back to the more traditional roots of D&D that is the core of D&D 5e is because of WotC wanting to appease older players. And that made D&D 5e more popular than any previous edition, more mainstream than ever, and more profitable than ever. The core parts of the game that the older players love so much are still a part of D&D 5e, even if they're gradually moving away from the ones that they think the game would be better without (always evil races, racial ability score increases, etc). Those are just minor things that have been/are being dropped, while the core spirit of D&D remains the same.
And they still want to appease older players. Why else would they vow to bring back 3 traditional D&D settings to 5e through 2021 and 2022? The existence of Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft is overwhelmingly because WotC wants to please older fans and keep them buying their stuff. The next two classic setting books that they publish (likely to be Planescape and Dark Sun) are also going to serve that same purpose.
Yes, some lore has changed (as happens when editions progress), some parts of races have been dropped, and some non-standard D&D settings have been published (Theros, Ravnica, next Strixhaven and possibly the Domains of Delight), but the older fanbase still matters. Their presence is still influencing the products that WotC publishes, the storylines that they make, and the way that they do business as a whole. It's just gradually becoming less and less important as the fanbase becomes younger and younger (due to the combined increase in newer players thanks to 5e's popularity and the fact that the older players are eventually going to stop giving WotC more money for one reason or another).
To me, that doesn't sound at all like "you don't count" or not being grateful for the existence of D&D. It just sounds like how the world (and for-profit businesses) works.
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I will debate Planescape and Dark Sun. Dark Sun is a very maybe, given the Psionics rules backlash on all 5e versions (Mystic = hated, Tasha's = hated, UA = hated), it's unlikely that it will come around, especially giving the popularity of Eberron which does Dark Sun more universally friendly and the racism inherent in the original setting.
Nonetheless, I still think there is a high chance Dark Sun is one of the ones.
Planescape is more... Spelljammer and Planescape will be nodded at. They will have refrences. But they're not very 5E beyond refrences, they're not "core" enough. I reckon we'll see Dragonlance or Greyhawk, and honestly I'd prefer the latter.
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I really dig the Planescape concept…I think it has the greatest potential for a mind-blowing sort of sourcebook / adventure.