Alright so me and my Dad were listening to the hobbit on a road trip the other day and we noticed how many times Tolkien mentions that Bombur is fat
”Bombur, being the fattest, was at the back of the group”
”Bombur, who was the fattest, was eating the most”
”Bombur was the slowest, for he was fat”
etc etc etc. thoughts on this/ random thoughts about dwarfs
It was actually kind of funny. We kept a tally of how many times he said Bombur was fat
Tolkien is very fond of mentioning that Bombur is fat lol.
I love the dwarves in the movies cause they’re so hilarious, they’re way better defined then the books. They’re one of the few really good things about the Hobbit films. (Thorin does not count, of course. He’s a massive jerk in the films).
By the One’s influence, he has the misfortune of being exiled from his home, being forced into a cave for centuries where he slowly degraded. Compelled to travel to Mordor where he falls into servitude of Shelob and eventually is captured and tortured. Being captured and interrogated by Aragorn. Forced to follow the Fellowship into Moria. Forced to serve Frodo and Sam as they seek to destroy the object of his addiction. Then finally, in the moment of reclaiming that which he was under compulsion to seek, he met his end.
By the One’s influence, he has the misfortune of being exiled from his home, being forced into a cave for centuries where he slowly degraded. Compelled to travel to Mordor where he falls into servitude of Shelob and eventually is captured and tortured. Being captured and interrogated by Aragorn. Forced to follow the Fellowship into Moria. Forced to serve Frodo and Sam as they seek to destroy the object of his addiction. Then finally, in the moment of reclaiming that which he was under compulsion to seek, he met his end.
By the One’s influence, he has the misfortune of being exiled from his home, being forced into a cave for centuries where he slowly degraded. Compelled to travel to Mordor where he falls into servitude of Shelob and eventually is captured and tortured. Being captured and interrogated by Aragorn. Forced to follow the Fellowship into Moria. Forced to serve Frodo and Sam as they seek to destroy the object of his addiction. Then finally, in the moment of reclaiming that which he was under compulsion to seek, he met his end.
By the One’s influence, he has the misfortune of being exiled from his home, being forced into a cave for centuries where he slowly degraded. Compelled to travel to Mordor where he falls into servitude of Shelob and eventually is captured and tortured. Being captured and interrogated by Aragorn. Forced to follow the Fellowship into Moria. Forced to serve Frodo and Sam as they seek to destroy the object of his addiction. Then finally, in the moment of reclaiming that which he was under compulsion to seek, he met his end.
In a sense, he does get redemption - not in terms of an epiphany, but because the very corruption that destroyed him is what brought about his actions destroying the object of his corruption.
By the One’s influence, he has the misfortune of being exiled from his home, being forced into a cave for centuries where he slowly degraded. Compelled to travel to Mordor where he falls into servitude of Shelob and eventually is captured and tortured. Being captured and interrogated by Aragorn. Forced to follow the Fellowship into Moria. Forced to serve Frodo and Sam as they seek to destroy the object of his addiction. Then finally, in the moment of reclaiming that which he was under compulsion to seek, he met his end.
In a sense, he does get redemption - not in terms of an epiphany, but because the very corruption that destroyed him is what brought about his actions destroying the object of his corruption.
True. But I meant redemption more in the usual way.
By the One’s influence, he has the misfortune of being exiled from his home, being forced into a cave for centuries where he slowly degraded. Compelled to travel to Mordor where he falls into servitude of Shelob and eventually is captured and tortured. Being captured and interrogated by Aragorn. Forced to follow the Fellowship into Moria. Forced to serve Frodo and Sam as they seek to destroy the object of his addiction. Then finally, in the moment of reclaiming that which he was under compulsion to seek, he met his end.
In a sense, he does get redemption - not in terms of an epiphany, but because the very corruption that destroyed him is what brought about his actions destroying the object of his corruption.
True. But I meant redemption more in the usual way.
By the One’s influence, he has the misfortune of being exiled from his home, being forced into a cave for centuries where he slowly degraded. Compelled to travel to Mordor where he falls into servitude of Shelob and eventually is captured and tortured. Being captured and interrogated by Aragorn. Forced to follow the Fellowship into Moria. Forced to serve Frodo and Sam as they seek to destroy the object of his addiction. Then finally, in the moment of reclaiming that which he was under compulsion to seek, he met his end.
In a sense, he does get redemption - not in terms of an epiphany, but because the very corruption that destroyed him is what brought about his actions destroying the object of his corruption.
True. But I meant redemption more in the usual way.
By the One’s influence, he has the misfortune of being exiled from his home, being forced into a cave for centuries where he slowly degraded. Compelled to travel to Mordor where he falls into servitude of Shelob and eventually is captured and tortured. Being captured and interrogated by Aragorn. Forced to follow the Fellowship into Moria. Forced to serve Frodo and Sam as they seek to destroy the object of his addiction. Then finally, in the moment of reclaiming that which he was under compulsion to seek, he met his end.
In a sense, he does get redemption - not in terms of an epiphany, but because the very corruption that destroyed him is what brought about his actions destroying the object of his corruption.
True. But I meant redemption more in the usual way.
But unlikely. Who says that the elves would even accept him, given the things that he's done?
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By the One’s influence, he has the misfortune of being exiled from his home, being forced into a cave for centuries where he slowly degraded. Compelled to travel to Mordor where he falls into servitude of Shelob and eventually is captured and tortured. Being captured and interrogated by Aragorn. Forced to follow the Fellowship into Moria. Forced to serve Frodo and Sam as they seek to destroy the object of his addiction. Then finally, in the moment of reclaiming that which he was under compulsion to seek, he met his end.
In a sense, he does get redemption - not in terms of an epiphany, but because the very corruption that destroyed him is what brought about his actions destroying the object of his corruption.
True. But I meant redemption more in the usual way.
By the One’s influence, he has the misfortune of being exiled from his home, being forced into a cave for centuries where he slowly degraded. Compelled to travel to Mordor where he falls into servitude of Shelob and eventually is captured and tortured. Being captured and interrogated by Aragorn. Forced to follow the Fellowship into Moria. Forced to serve Frodo and Sam as they seek to destroy the object of his addiction. Then finally, in the moment of reclaiming that which he was under compulsion to seek, he met his end.
In a sense, he does get redemption - not in terms of an epiphany, but because the very corruption that destroyed him is what brought about his actions destroying the object of his corruption.
True. But I meant redemption more in the usual way.
By the One’s influence, he has the misfortune of being exiled from his home, being forced into a cave for centuries where he slowly degraded. Compelled to travel to Mordor where he falls into servitude of Shelob and eventually is captured and tortured. Being captured and interrogated by Aragorn. Forced to follow the Fellowship into Moria. Forced to serve Frodo and Sam as they seek to destroy the object of his addiction. Then finally, in the moment of reclaiming that which he was under compulsion to seek, he met his end.
In a sense, he does get redemption - not in terms of an epiphany, but because the very corruption that destroyed him is what brought about his actions destroying the object of his corruption.
True. But I meant redemption more in the usual way.
By the One’s influence, he has the misfortune of being exiled from his home, being forced into a cave for centuries where he slowly degraded. Compelled to travel to Mordor where he falls into servitude of Shelob and eventually is captured and tortured. Being captured and interrogated by Aragorn. Forced to follow the Fellowship into Moria. Forced to serve Frodo and Sam as they seek to destroy the object of his addiction. Then finally, in the moment of reclaiming that which he was under compulsion to seek, he met his end.
In a sense, he does get redemption - not in terms of an epiphany, but because the very corruption that destroyed him is what brought about his actions destroying the object of his corruption.
True. But I meant redemption more in the usual way.
I liked Thorin and Balin best of all the dwarves.
Tolkien is very fond of mentioning that Bombur is fat lol.
I love the dwarves in the movies cause they’re so hilarious, they’re way better defined then the books. They’re one of the few really good things about the Hobbit films.
(Thorin does not count, of course. He’s a massive jerk in the films).
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Hmm… LotR LotR LotR. That never fails.
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Bombur can never catch a break in the Hobbit. It's not fair, everyone makes fun of him and HE falls into the evil sleep river thingy.
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Poor Bombur.
Oooh. What would people say is the unluckiest character in Middle Earth?
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Forgot to mention, Turin doesn’t count.
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I can’t think of one. But Turin would definitely qualify cause of the whole Nienor thing.
I nominate Sméagol. Yes, Sméagol was weak of character, and, to an extent, all that befalls him is directly resultant from this weakness. Sméagol had the distinct bad luck of being susceptible to corruption and stumbling across an item so corrupting that even the strongest of men could swiftly fall under its spell - and come across this item on his birthday nonetheless.
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I’m agreeing with this. I really hoped they wouldn’t kill off Sméagol when I first read the book or at least give him a redemption arc, but his end made sense.
Hm, that’s actually a good one… Did anyone else hope Sméagol would get a redemption arc and/or not get killed off when they read the book/watched the movie for the first time?
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I think I did. I don’t remember for sure cause I was very young when I first read LOTR. And I agree with Sméagol being the unluckiest character.
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True. But I meant redemption more in the usual way.
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Providing Sméagol a traditional redemption arc would have been counterproductive in two regards. First, Tolkien spent a lot of time trying to paint Sméagol as someone who might have been redeemed... only to take the rug out from underneath the reader with his betrayal of Sam and Frodo at Cirith Ungol. Second, Sméagol was always designed to be the foil to Frodo--he was weak in every way that Frodo was strong. By having Sméagol be ultimately unredeemable, that gave a counterexample to Frodo, who eventually fell to the corruption of the One, but ultimately was able to rise above it (even if he always bore scars from his journey).
Besides, Sméagol would have received a death sentence regardless of whether he died with the One or not. It was made rather clear that, with the One destroyed and no longer contributing to his unnatural lifespan, he would either die or have to go to the Undying Lands--and I am not sure that second option would be thematically appropriate.
That would’ve been kinda cool, Sméagol going to Valinor.
But unlikely. Who says that the elves would even accept him, given the things that he's done?
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Very good point. Would Tolkien’s elves have been likely to accept a sincerely repentant former Gollum?
I doubt it.
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And even if they would, would Gollum accept them? After all, he is physically pained by anything related to elves.
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Good point. Although if he redeemed himself that might no longer be a weakness for Gollum.
Funny video I found, posting here because I like humor, and it's LOTR, so bonus.
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